I knew the games story was only on their website, but the credits too? What's even on the disc?
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Developers. Please stop with the ten minute unskippable credits.
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I knew the games story was only on their website, but the credits too? What's even on the disc?
LiquidSolid
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My preference is unskippable on the first playthrough, skippable on all subsequent playthroughs and available on the main menu.
Dark_3nergy
Member
Credits were also on those, now rare, manual inserts that came with the product back in the day. You know those manuals almost everyone read while on the toilet before smart phones existed? So in the event ones kitchen caught on fire just as they finished a game and missed the credits, they could look over the manual and read the credits are their leisure.
Man I miss physical manuals
George Washington
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Wait, what methods of ignoring movie credits can't also apply to video games? All I can think of is turning the film off or leaving, both of which are options for games.
SuperStiltzkin
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Jangowuzhere
Banned
Yeah because options for the consumer is bad.
LOL.
So according to some thoughts in this thread, we should all be subject to unskippable lists of every single person that's touched a piece of content, including, but not limited to the creators, janitors, managers, directors, proofreaders, production folks, gophers, secretaries, traffic coordinators, account execs, admins, and also the parents and grandparents of each of previously named people for every piece of content we consume, as without them, we are disrespectful consumers - despite having paid for/consumed said content in some way or another.
Cuz reasons, of course.
So according to some thoughts in this thread, we should all be subject to unskippable lists of every single person that's touched a piece of content, including, but not limited to the creators, janitors, managers, directors, proofreaders, production folks, gophers, secretaries, traffic coordinators, account execs, admins, and also the parents and grandparents of each of previously named people for every piece of content we consume, as without them, we are disrespectful consumers - despite having paid for/consumed said content in some way or another.
Cuz reasons, of course.
Who cares how long it took them to make it? Every single product that you buy has had people working on it's creation. What, you'd be OK with a forced 20 minute credit scene before you can sit on your IKEA couch? Your dishwasher? For Windows, OSX, Linux? Every website you go to? It's anti-consumer plain and simple. They hijack your PC or console to indulge themselves.
Tezzeractor
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They should always be skipable. The player's time should be respected by the developers. Credits should be accessible from the main menu, and should play at the end of the game. The credits should have controls that allow the player to skip, fast forward, rewind and pause. Players who don't care don't have to watch. Players who do care are given total control over how the credits play, so enthusiasts can look for individual names, or just watch them roll normally.
I like the rewind idea. I had never thought about rewinding credits before. This would be good in case credit watchers missed a name, or thought they saw a name there and wanted to confirm. Of course for people like me who have no interest in credits should still be able to skip them.
In all seriousness, giving players more control is never a bad idea. Best of both worlds.
achromicia
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Agreed, this was me in The Last of Us. Credits are necessary, they worked hard to get the game to you and if enjoyed it enough to finish the game you can put up with unskippable credits.
Soulsborne games do this best I think. No skipping on the first post through, but they can be skipped on subsequent plays.
Fudgepuppy
Banned
I kind of like it. Gives you a good pause to cool down and contemplate on the game.
El-Pistolero
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And we're done! Rally, OP, Really? I would certainly want to see my name on that list if I had busted my behind working on it for God-knows-how-many years!
I agree with this sentiment.
Also, you had enough free time to spend anywhere between 4 and 40 hours (maybe more) to finish a game. As if your time is that precious.
And they are as skippable as theatre credits. Just leave the screen behind you.
That has nothing to do with it being unskippable.
What kind of arguments are these. You're saying my time isn't precious because game time isn't worth much... on a gaming form. Really?
And a home is not a theatre. They can pause and rewind at the theatre too if they wanted to, without force restarting the system. Or are you saying that needs to be forced too? Because god forbid, people want to use their property for their own purposes.
The Silver
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what!?
skippable credits now somehow means your name gets magically removed from them?
Newsflash the people who don't care about credits were never going to see, remember, or care about your name in the first place. They're going to go on their smartphones, sit there annoyed, or do anything else besides paying any attention to the bunch of names scrolling by. The people who like to watch the credits will always be able to watch them, the people worked on it will always have their names there for future reference. For everyone else making them unskippable is just a dumb annoyance, they aren't giving any respect, they never cared in the first place and you can't force them to.
I don't care if you don't read it, I'm putting my name on the work I created. Credits aren't there for your entertainment, they are there in recognition of the people who made the product. Don't like it? Make your own game without credits.
Jangowuzhere
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What if I didn't enjoy it? What if I just want to skip the credits and try a different mode in the game instead?
What's with this whole forcing unskippable credits on the first playthrough, but afterwards it's okay to skip? That makes zero sense. What if I did beat the game again, but I just didn't have the save data to allow me to skip it? This arbitrary limitation serves no purpose other than to annoy people
Are you also okay with unskippable cutscenes as well? Because those are also really dumb. Players should be able to do what they want with the game they paid for. These restrictions serve no benefit to anyone. If you care enough to watch a cutscene or the end credits, more power to you. Don't force others through crap they don't enjoy.
All of these arguments supporting unskippable credits are just awful. Use some critical thinking. None of this shit makes any sense.
Tezzeractor
Member
That's not a decision that should be made for people. The player should be given more power to control the credits. It would benefit everyone.
Dirtyshubb
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PEOPLE ARENT SAYING GET RID OF CREDIT'S ALTOGETHER, JUST TO GIVE THE OPTION OF SKIPPING THEM!
How many times does this have to be stated?
Seriously, I have been in tonnes of threads where people Dont read the OP or miss the point completely but this is the worst it seems.
Having non skippable credits does no good for anyone. Skippable credits allows everyone who wants to watch them to be able to watch them. Developers gain nothing from forcing someone who is waiting for a trophy to pop or the game to save to go do something else for 15 minutes to wait for the credits to finish. They aren't paid extra money for every time the credits roll on a game.
Why is this so hard to understand for some people?
No one is saying credits shouldnt be there, I usually watch the credits of the games I like, but I dont get why they cant be skipped in case I want to do something else but I want to save for NewGame+.
I never really understood the point of putting them at the end of a game, rather than just having a credits option in the main menu (which I know more and more games do). It just feels like needlessly copying cinema. The purpose of credits should be that, if I want to know who was responsible for a particular part of the production I can look it up quickly. Having to complete the game to do so runs counter to that.
There are literally people in this thread saying that.
Quote the extensive list please.
Read again, people are asking for an option to skip the credits.
Succinct Verbosity
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Do people sit through the credits of films or stop them when they are finished?
I don't know anybody that stays to watcha film past the credits (save marvel films).
I don't know anybody that stays to watcha film past the credits (save marvel films).
This entitlement is amazing. You don't care at all about the user then. What if the user actually needs to skip the credits, for whatever important reason? Because you made it unskippable, your arrogance will now have forced someone to play the end again because they had to force quit, or just quit playing without having 'officially' finished the game. All because you wanted to _force_ someone to sit through the credits.
Let's get this straight. This is about _forcing_ the user's system to play all of the credits, not about you getting recognition. You're not going to get positive recognition from someone who wants to stop the credits anyways.
No other creator gets to do this. They're not bothered by it. Why are you so bothered that you eliminate all convenience just so you have some weird piece of mind that even the ones who don't want to see all the names scroll by, still get forced to (or face some consequences).
Totally fair that developers should on the whole respect a players time. My point was that I don't see this disrespect of player control or time as egregious or worth any outrage or even concern whatsoever, because if someone enjoyed a game enough to finish it, what is ten minutes? Basically, it was an argument against this stuff.
Right. A gamemaker doesn't care at all about the user because they have credits. They care about them enough to motivate them to get to the end and were apparently successful and now they suddenly don't care at all.
What important reasons? Gotta piss? Check email? Get back to that open heart surgery you were in the middle of? Leave the TV/computer and do it or exit to desktop, dashboard and close the application. Credits skipped. Just like walking out of a theatre.
GlamFM
Banned
Bravo.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
I never skip end-game credits even if you can, no matter how long they are. I just can't. What if there's a surprise at the end? (There never is.) And even if not, I just feel like letting them roll to completion is part of finishing a game. I rarely actually READ them though, I just let them roll while browsing GAF or something.
Net_Wrecker
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I can't believe so many people are agreeing with this nonsense.
You already paid for the game, that's your appreciation. That's your "Thanks" to the devs. Nobody gains anything from being forced to watch 10+ minutes of credits. It's just a blur of names. Wasting the player's time is the ultimate sin.
I mean I guess there's no reason to not make it skippable, but I don't really care. If I'm beating a game, chances are 10 minutes later there isn't going to be something super important I need to do. I can get up for a stretch, bathroom break, get a snack, something. Just not a big deal.
They really aren't.
El-Pistolero
Member
I don't know...Watch TV for 10 minutes? Go outside? Talk to a family member? Some people have enough time on their hands to play videogames, but can't recover the precious 10 minutes of credits rolling...Go figure!
MaverickHunterAsh
Member
And we're done here. First post nails it.
Honestly, OP, show some respect or at least some semblance of courtesy. You just spent what, 50-60 hours enjoying a game that the dev team spent years of their lives making, and not only can't you be assed to spend 10 minutes watching the credits, you also have the gall to complain about the credits roll being there in the first place?
The problem isn't with unskippable credits, it's with you.
Jangowuzhere
Banned
That's not even the worst of it. The Assassin's Creed 3 credits are 20 minutes long.
Yes, they are also unskippable.
What the fuck is this shit. People on GAF sure are crazy today. I've never seen so much insanity in one thread.
Do you also sit through the credits for every movie/TV show ever? I doubt it.
entremet
Member
Gall? What is this?
He paid for the game and gave his precious time to play it. That's the ultimate thanks.
Not really getting these attacks at the OP.
Comes off as smug.
The Silver
Member
people on their high horse, noses are permanently stuck facing up.
Why would pissing be an important reason to have to close credits? Force-quitting loses your progress in a lot of games. Why do you need specific important reasons? Are you saying there are no scenarios where someone might need to use the computer for a reason important to them? That's quite the claim.
Lord Panda
The Sea is Always Right
Do you clap in the cinema as well?
Yup. Without a doubt, one of the dumbest first posts I've seen. There have been two arguments in favor of unskippable credits: it is respectful to the devs, and "I like credits so everyone else should be forced to watch them." Neither of those arguments holds up to any the least bit of scrutiny. An astounding number of the responses are arguing against a complete strawman, abolishing credits entirely. I can't think of another thread that's made me as skeptical of the collective reading comprehension on GAF as this one.
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