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Retro_
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Things are looking bad for alot of Capcom games, and especially in the west. Not just DMC.
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Devil May Cry... is the series put on the shelf by Capcom?
- Thread starter Dahbomb
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Bayonetta?
What IP does Capcom have which is more "known" than DMC. Speaking strictly in terms of sales, DMC is their #5 best selling series.
The 4 games above DMC are RE, SF, MM and MH. RE will most likely get a sequel but it's on the decline. SF will probably get a game next gen too but right now that's on hold because they have to promote that new AE patch. MM is on hiatus and MH will probably continue to get games although it will just be mostly preaching to the choir.
Can Capcom really coast on just these 3 franchises for next gen?
Well let me clue you in... they changed a lot of things, not just the characters and the ridiculous setting. For one, it is the only game in all of DMC without a "lock on". This has amazingly huge implications for how the combat system works.
Jinfash
needs 2 extra inches
That would be be awesome, and at the same time, the mother of all irony.
Just give her some white hair. Done.
PlanetSmasher
Banned
Bayonetta 2 is going to bomb like nobody's business and we all know it. It just hasn't happened yet.
Just confirm that she is the ancestor of Dante/Eva and it takes place in an unconfirmed time after the DMC series.
Boom.
Well...they have those 4 IPs, thanks for the list
If they're in trouble, they'd be better off focusing on making something REALLY strong with one of those IPs, considering they just sort of damaged the DMC franchise in the past year and it would be more of a gamble.
They shouldn't attempt DMC5 if they don't have a solid idea for it and presumably, they had no ideas...unless they were expertly sand-bagging ala Coke 2 vs. Coke Classic.
edit: except Monster Hunter, they have released a ton of that in the past gen and it's really just a Japan thing with that game.
UnluckyKate
Member
Make her his mother. Bam. You can now sell Bayo as a milf
Capcom's focus on titles lately seems westernwesternwestern though. Given the rising cost of development for games and their current strategies I think it's easier to assume that outside of handheld games and a special few (SF) their main focus will be on either creating new IP that appeals to western tastes or taking existing IP and "westernizing" as seen with series like Dead Rising and what they tried to do with Devil May Cry.
Series that just don't fit that westernization mold don't seem to be in Capcom's agenda, hence the disappearance of Mega Man for example.
What's Capcom working on right now?
Deep Down
Gaist Crusher
Sengoku Basara 4
Dead Rising 3 (edit: how did I forget...thanks Dahbomb)
What with the at-best mixed reception that DmC got on the whole (and the resulting desire for a DMC more in line with the original universe, "uncle Dante/Real Dante" and exploring the story of Vergil), DMC5 seems to be the only good answer.
I'm guessing it's not currently in the cards, and that no DMC gets announced at TGS. Capcom still has to weather two bombs with Remember Me and Lost Planet 3. I hope they get to work on DMC5 though. Silly company's gotta get over its western fetish.
Deep Down
Gaist Crusher
Sengoku Basara 4
Dead Rising 3 (edit: how did I forget...thanks Dahbomb)
What with the at-best mixed reception that DmC got on the whole (and the resulting desire for a DMC more in line with the original universe, "uncle Dante/Real Dante" and exploring the story of Vergil), DMC5 seems to be the only good answer.
I'm guessing it's not currently in the cards, and that no DMC gets announced at TGS. Capcom still has to weather two bombs with Remember Me and Lost Planet 3. I hope they get to work on DMC5 though. Silly company's gotta get over its western fetish.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Its way too early to judge this. DMC may or may not not return based on how scalable the Pantha Rhei engine is. Hopefully, they realize they made a huge mistake with DmC but DMC never was or will be a 5 Million+ franchise. If capcom accepts that DMC is a 2 Mill+ franchise at best and budgets accordingly, we may see a return later next gen.
But its barely 6 months since the last release. Let things play out for a while.
But its barely 6 months since the last release. Let things play out for a while.
Dead Rising 3 as well.
NoirVisage
Banned
You just have different taste in games, NT created a game for people with your tastes, Sending a Screw you to its original fanbase, the only people who were screwed in the end?
Capcmo
Napalm_Frank
Member
Waaaaaay too early to really say anything. Latest entry came out 6 months ago.
Sapphire Dreams
Member
DmC received a lot of negative backlash since it's reveal and I am certain this had an effect on sales even by a small margin since the series was never a mega hit to begin with.
I gets annoying repeating the same stuff again and again just watch this video for my opinion he is still to kind to the game but for the most part it fits..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MM-gEthxX2w
I hope that after the next dragons dogma a new DMC will be made i dont think it is permanently shelved like mega man or breath of fire. I mean cmon capcom had to realize that DmC only sold bad because it was not as good as 1,3 or 4 and picking Ninja Theory for a hardcore gameplay driven fast paced action game and letting them even insult the fans ..well what was capcom expecting ?
they dont need to shelve the series, they just need to make DMC5 with everything better than DMC4, like:
- 2 campaigns for both Dante and Nero, with some exclusive enemies and bosses for each, even multiplayer during specific segments if they want it as well.
- Some significant changes on the gameplay, like more styles for dante where we can mix and match between every mission
- A proper devil trigger for Nero while maintaining the spirit he has during DT that would change the look depending which devil arm you have equipped
- Some devil bringer styles as well
- More devil arms and guns for both
- Bloody palace with different characters besides Dante and Nero, like Vergil, Lady, Trish, whatever
but for gods sake not another DmC
- 2 campaigns for both Dante and Nero, with some exclusive enemies and bosses for each, even multiplayer during specific segments if they want it as well.
- Some significant changes on the gameplay, like more styles for dante where we can mix and match between every mission
- A proper devil trigger for Nero while maintaining the spirit he has during DT that would change the look depending which devil arm you have equipped
- Some devil bringer styles as well
- More devil arms and guns for both
- Bloody palace with different characters besides Dante and Nero, like Vergil, Lady, Trish, whatever
been thinking too much on this
but for gods sake not another DmC
catapult37
Member
I'm a few hours into DmC and really liking it. I'm on PC though so maybe that helps (1080p, 60fps). The environment design is INSANE and I'm actually enjoying the combat a good bit.
Is the major complaint the departure from the old character and story design? Cause if so, those guys are missing out on a pretty fun game.
Is the major complaint the departure from the old character and story design? Cause if so, those guys are missing out on a pretty fun game.
Slamtastic
Member
Which is ridiculous.
That prototype showed that Mega Man can be westernized perfectly.
Probably. But even so, I still hope that the guy eventually gets a chance to either make a DMC game himself, or something else entirely. That way, we would know that Itsuno can work on something he wants to do, while Itsuno could possibly be the one who helps "save" DMC.
What also helps is that SB, much like MonHun, is developed in a very "cost-effective" way. People may not be a fan of the "PS2-level textures" and etc., but keeping costs down and sales expectations reasonable is one of the main reasons these series are the reliable "pillars of earnings" that Capcom likes to refer to them as on their earning reports.
The moment Capcom tried to have DMC marketed as a "AAA" franchise, was when I predicted that the series' downfall was inevitable. They weren't going to get the "God of War" crowd to buy into the franchise, and only did more ostracize the established audience on the same token by DmC.
Sir Ilpalazzo
Member
I think 30% of the complaints are about the characters and story, and 70% are about the combat being downgraded.
So you are basically saying you dont want people to enjoy something you have no interest in.
Okay
PlanetSmasher
Banned
While most of that does sound awesome, it sounds like a bit too ambitious of a project for a single DMC game. I think most people would be happy with DMC5 if it had Dante OR Nero in it. Making DMC4 about both of them is what led to a lot of the pacing and repetition issues that made people think it was worse than DMC3.
If Nero had been the only protagonist of DMC4 and he got a full set of Devil Arms as a result, I bet people would've been far less angry about it in the end. Dante was a lot of fun to play as, but it's kind of clear they didn't have a plan for him at first and shoved him in halfway through development to appease angry fans.
YOU STOLE MY SHIT SON!!!
You were quoted because you asked a question and peopled tried to answer. Had nothing to do with your opinion, there are plenty of people who liked the game.
The reason people don't like DmC is no where near as simple or basic as "Dante has black hair".
That game was cancelled because apparently Capcom disagrees, they probably saw bomb written all over it. (even if it turned out to be a quality game given how it was created by former Metroid Prime devs)
Yeah... okay. It's just totally the character and not the combat systems or dialogue/world as well, right?
dragonflys545
Member
Oh hell yes. Bring the real DMC back. I can wait for it.
I still don't know if I should laugh or cry.Which is ridiculous.
That prototype showed that Mega Man can be westernized perfectly.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Slamtastic
Member
Wouldn't have been the first time a Capcom collaboration game was a bomb sales wise despite being a quality title.
Stevetopsy
Member
DMC1 and 3 were two of the best games I've ever played... period. Imagine what they could do with that direction on next-gen hardware. Such a shame if they abandon it. I'm picturing the walk up those steps to the castle in DMC1, what great atmosphere.
Dante was supposed to have his own missions instead of the backtracking that we had to deal with he was also supposed to have is own bosses, it has more to the fact that development was moved to multiplat instead of just ps3
What the hell is this? You better substantiate it because some people are going to run with this. At least elaborate?
Avallon
Member
I liked it.
Which is ridiculous.
That prototype showed that Mega Man can be westernized perfectly.
I was extremely fucking pissed when I saw that; Capcom made a good move. If that game performed well and we got sequels, I would have been beyond livid. It sort of depresses me that you can't recognize how utterly abominable that is, in concept and from demo, tacit acceptance of the notion of needing to westernize things aside.
Unless you're trolling.
Itsuno coming back in a lead role for the project's entirety seems critical.
Barring the entry of some new unexpected talent, but don't they usually get their debut on a separate series? No idea how this works.
I agree
You guys are spreading gossip again?
Napalm_Frank
Member
Screw you guys, next gen DmC2 would be glorious!
PIMPBYBLUD
Member
I'm with you.
CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
Edit: Apparently I do still care. Ignore this post.