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Devil May Cry... is the series put on the shelf by Capcom?
- Thread starter Dahbomb
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no, the major complaint is gameplay, although the story and characters in DmC are pretty fucking awful considering how self-serious it is compared to the main series, and even more so since there was all this talk about doing a good story and fleshing out the characters...only to end up with something embarrassingly adolescent
it'd be one thing if they nailed an amazing story and characters instead of some equally cheesy shit that veers more towards 'edgy-cool' than 'anime-crazy'
GrimDarkDarrel
Member
Currently playing through DmC and enjoying it a lot. Maybe it's because I never really liked the old Dante that the new one doesn't bother me.
I'd like a sequel, but Itsuno should stay on Dragon's Dogma. That is more important for our development, as a species.
I'd like a sequel, but Itsuno should stay on Dragon's Dogma. That is more important for our development, as a species.
It's just that one guy and I already called him out for it.
No offense to him but around here that's a big claim.
Clawww congrats on making member, I just noticed lol.
It is up to you. I played DmC and thought it was pretty okay on its own, but like many others says, it doesn't deserve to wear the proud name that is Devil May Cry. The combat is really shallow and just poorly designed compared to the fine tuned clockwork that is DMC3 and 4.
Also too easy, I am quite a seasoned veteran of action games, but when playing a new Devil May Cry game, I should never, ever get SSS ranks the first time I play on the hardest available difficulty setting. For comparison, I am playing Bayonetta again for the first time in about 2-3 years on Hard, I have played that game about 20 times and I am getting stoned (literally, the lowest rank in the game is Stone awards) and I love that. I love being challenged to something seemingly impossible and just keep going at it, fine tuning my play each time. DmC never offered that challenge, I breezed through most of it and when I was done I just felt there was nothing more to gain.
Also, some of the worst bosses I have ever seen in a action game. The Bill O'Reilly dude looked cool, but was not fun to fight.
While that sounds great, IMO it would be more awesome for DMC5 to pick up right after DMC3. I would love to play as Vergil under Mundus' service fighting the "good guys". They can even do an origin's story for Trish in the same game.
(While I enjoyed DMC4, I really did not like Nero the character. I don't really have a desire to play more of him. The arm grapple mechanic was dope though.)
I was talking to some people I know that work there and they were saying how badly Capcom Japan was blaming the Western games. With the way Capcom threw their Western-developed games under the bus during their financial reports it doesn't seem all that surprising.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
Was going to say something like this myself. I don't get the point of rebooting (or reimagining) something that's as "recent" as Devil May Cry. Something like Ninja Gaiden is completely understandable. But the DMC series is only around 12 years old. They should have just created a sequel but I suppose the idea was to create something that would appeal more to Western audiences, which is ridiculous seeing how well the original franchise did. That, and this reboot selling less than it's predecessors pretty much seems to indicate Western audiences wanted their Japanese DMC.
PlanetSmasher
Banned
Is that true? I used to get yelled at for insinuating that developers made concessions when taking their PS3 exclusive games and making them multiplatform partway through development.
I've never heard any confirmation one way or the other on the DMC4 situation, though. Do you have a link to support that?
Then how do you explain this?
http://www.gamespot.com/news/capcom-praises-dmc-and-dragons-dogma-in-fy13-earnings-6408084
I mean I know Capcom has to make nice with their share holders and yes they did say they are going to "cut back" on Western out sources but there wasn't really much of a feel of animosity. Maybe there is behind the scenes, that is why I wanted more elaboration.
Jawmuncher
Member
I wouldn't be surprised if its been shelved.
Even to the dismay of fans Capcoms probably looking at the hole they dug themselves and they have no clue where to go next.
They could make DMC5, but then again capcom could see the failure of DmC even though it was a reboot and its own thing something not worth going into.
Not to mention they're probably confused on how they would market a new main game after a supposed reboot in the first place.
Looking at other popular capcom franchises shouldn't come as a shock if they jump out now. Just look at Dino Crisis 3. Game bombed so bad (not to mention it was a exclusive and crap) and it killed the series. I'm still surprised they have lost planet another chance.
Even to the dismay of fans Capcoms probably looking at the hole they dug themselves and they have no clue where to go next.
They could make DMC5, but then again capcom could see the failure of DmC even though it was a reboot and its own thing something not worth going into.
Not to mention they're probably confused on how they would market a new main game after a supposed reboot in the first place.
Looking at other popular capcom franchises shouldn't come as a shock if they jump out now. Just look at Dino Crisis 3. Game bombed so bad (not to mention it was a exclusive and crap) and it killed the series. I'm still surprised they have lost planet another chance.
In their last quarterly or whatever they did mention wanting to bring in more development in-house.
I suppose it remains to be seen whether or not Capcom will maintain a relationship with Ninja Theory.
Well, Capcom's idea of giving LP another chance also involved giving it to Spark Unlimited, with a touch of Jim. Capcom probably thinks/thought it can be tailored to western audiences, given the genre and with some character tropes applied for easier appeal.
I'm just telling you what I heard. Solid sales =/= you have to like the developer.
Plus, didn't they expect RE6 to selling something dumb like 7million copies? Expectations might have been high for DmC.
PlanetSmasher
Banned
It really wouldn't be hard to market a new main game. Call it Devil May Cry 5, ditch the silly DmC logo and iconography, put real Dante on the cover and all problems are solved.
The problem just comes down to having a developer that can make the game. Kobayashi and Itsuno are busy, and without them it's going to be pretty tough unless they can get Platinum to do it for them.
CambriaRising
Member
That sucks. I wanted DmC2.
I agree. Bayonetta can be my action game fix until then. Pretty much like it's been since it's launch...
They should get Itagaki and Valhalla on it. Now wouldn't that be surreal.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Hate seems a strong word, but if you want evidence of their being some kind of tension over in japan just remember this nugget:-
"My hair? It's not that I'm getting old, it's always been white...Why do you ask?"
I have no doubt that some Capcom japan employees would not be happy that series based on mechanics was being changed in the way it was.
PlanetSmasher
Banned
No one bought it because it wasn't a Devil May Cry game. The combat was worse in every possible way, the story was silly and stupid despite Capcom saying NT would "improve" it, and yes, the character designs were crap.
Boiling things down to the silly haircut argument just shows you haven't been paying attention.
PeterVenkman
Member
I hope this is a joke.
CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
Problem not solved. Dante hasn't been the protagonist of a game in over 8 years already. By the time a DMC 5 came out, it will have been 11 years. How do you market, to a general audience, a character who hasn't been the star of a game besides being of a different incarnation and sub-series in over 11 years? Tis' an entire new generation of gamers who have never known Dante.
I'm not saying it can't be done, I'm just saying its not as simple as "plaster Dante on the front cover".
Umm, no.
I am glad that for once consumers voted with their wallets, and told CAPCOM to fuck off. (this applies to RE6 as well)
Alright. Yeah RE6 definitely sold under expectation and so did DmC. DmC was originally 2 million and then got scaled back to 1.2 million.
Honestly speaking Capcom shouldn't be blaming the Western companies for their bad decisions... it was their idea to outsource DMC in the first place and it was their idea behind the radical redesign. As much shit NT got for the game, they tried their best and created a product that was better than all their previous products so you really can't put the blame on them. They even got the review scores that Capcom wanted... just not the sales.
R
Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
Maybe the people that worked on it up until that point didn't want to work on it anymore?
I know interviews are supposed to spin your new project in a positive way, but Itsuno came off as genuinely happy to be working on Dragon's Dogma instead
Exactly. Personally, I LOVED DmC. One of my favorite games this year. I played the challenge tower forever. I really hope Ninja Theory gets another shot because I like them as a developer.
Huh, auto-captions. Nice. Too bad they get in the way of his text on the video but he has some pretty good points about the whole reboot thing.
(Oh, it seems Google's auto-translate captions. Those seem to be improving otherwise he needs to proofread his captions since it throws out "D_N_C" instead of "D_M_C")
paolo11
Member
I believe it's shipped, not sold. I mean how can your sale go from 800000 units from April then all of a sudden 400000 units were sold in one month? (NPD source)
Sorry to say but the game flopped.
put out a bomb-ass trailer. even if it will have been a while, DMC is a big, beloved franchise, with a top spot in action-game history
thing is, for DMC fans, the games are like their favorite games, if a proper DMC5 gets started, there's going to be lots of word of mouth and buzz
I know that's shipped but that's all that Capcom really cares about anyway. Even shipped the numbers are below their expectations.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Ive seen no indication that Panta Rhei will be a engine that supports 60FPS without major concessions.
Id rather they stick to MT Framework, have a smaller budget and focus on mechanics over visuals.
I agree. I would be surprised if DmC actually sold over 700,000 copies.
On a side note, doesn't Gamestop have the ability to return any unsold merchandise back to the publisher for a full refund (ie to protect them from flops). I recall reading that somewhere.
Speaking as a fan of Ninja Gaiden, the last game was ass... I wouldn't want Team Ninja on DMC.
Alienating dedicated fans of their games seems to be the only thing Capcom can reliably do these days. They are constantly chasing away people who already bought their games and evangelized for them, and they're making it up by selling to...well...nobody. Nobody near enough to make up for the lost good will, at least. It's quite a solid business plan.
Boom indeed. Seriously DMC 3 is gaming nirvana. Everything is just absolutely perfect. I used to play it every day. Heaven or Hell mode, Dante must die. Such a good game. At one point I lost my memory card and I'd just complete the game everyday in hours from start to finish, turn the PS2 off and start again the next day.
Bayonetta is the next best thing but nothing comes close to the carnival of crazy that is Devil May Cry.
Father? I don't have a father. I just don't like you, that's all.
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ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Id prefer NT than current team Ninja.
SkylineRKR
Member
I didn't buy it because DmC seemed to be a run of the mill action game and not like DMC3, 4 and Bayonetta which are designed around improving your skills and replay the fuck out of it.
I wouldn't be super excited for it to be honest, the last NG game was lackluster. That dev company is in a worse spot than Capcom is right now.
By the looks of it DmC 2 ain't happening either.
Or they just get Itagaki himself and Valhalla. Basically the real Team Ninja.
Surely not...?
^Dahbomb, any thoughts on my suggestion for DMC5? (above) I know you like some Vergil.
I guess it's not unprecedented to ignore a game and go back to basics. Not saying that's going to happen but a classic DMC continuation is possible. The new series could be seen as a spinoff I guess. It won't happen and I'm not holding out for it but it's not unprecedented.
dancingphlower
Member
I want a DMC5, but I don't want them to rush it.
Aren't "I know someone from x company posts" frowned upon? ie. If you can't reveal the source or some sort of collaborating article, don't mention it.
PlanetSmasher
Banned
Valhalla isn't really Team Ninja. It's Itagaki and a bunch of people he hired. It's a new studio entirely.
PeterVenkman
Member
Such a shame that they created a character as cool as Uncle Dante and never used him to his full potential. Next-Gen DMC Dante could be fantastic.