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DeVos to rewrite Obama-era campus sexual assault policy
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benicillin
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DeVos is more disgusting than words can describe. A total wretch.
Psychoward
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Yeah sexual assault is still a big problem on college campuses and I doubt she and her administration will do anything to make it better (and that's being generous, I fully exprct her to make it worse).
Random Painted HIghway
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I don't think anyone thinks the system as is is perfect, but these folks have zero,credibility on isssues particularly things like this.
This is the problem. The way the Obama admin handled it really wasn't great and had a ton of problems that need to be addressed, but the GOP aren't interested in handling it at all!
WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
If she actually manages to make it better, than good on her. I just hope she isn't a gender traitor and makes things worse for women.
It's not really about what he did, it's about what color his skin was while he did it
WiiredShawn
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It's really insufferable when rich, out-of-touch people throw around words like "humility, wisdom and prudence" like they have any meaningful understanding of them or any moral authority to enact them.
DeVos is literally just an old rich lady who has never worked in education. Her attempts at high-mindedness, in tandem with her skittishness on the concrete details, only evidence her ignorance. I don't trust that she has the life experience to empathize with the issue and enact positive change.
DeVos is literally just an old rich lady who has never worked in education. Her attempts at high-mindedness, in tandem with her skittishness on the concrete details, only evidence her ignorance. I don't trust that she has the life experience to empathize with the issue and enact positive change.
Gordon Shumway
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Priorities..
Angelus Errare
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She'll probably tell women wear puritan style dresses on campus and be in their homes by 4pm
LowlySmokeGuy
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If the results didn't change under Obama's policy and campus sexual assault was still a huge problem, I have no issue with revisions. I just wish I had more faith in the people making those changes.
Saucycarpdog
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The system does need reform, as the current one places the responsibility on campuses that don't have the resources to be a substitute for a judicial system. The best solution would be get more involvement from the actual judicial system.
But Devos and her cronies aren't interested in coming up with a solution. They just want to end the current one and ignore the problem.
But Devos and her cronies aren't interested in coming up with a solution. They just want to end the current one and ignore the problem.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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With such a valuable resource in the WH, I can see why she's enthusiastic to take this issue on.
legacyzero
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I'm really failing to see how this is terrible, honestly. If we're going to be angry about false allegations, and punishment for them, we should just not go there.
That said, Devos is a total fucking clown, and her intentions should be questioned at every level
That said, Devos is a total fucking clown, and her intentions should be questioned at every level
This.
to refer to Ta-Nehisi Coates' White President piece, it's an n-word policy.
This for example (as mentioned in her speech):
http://reason.com/blog/2015/02/25/college-rape-trials-are-unfair-to-men-an
That's pretty fucked up.
She wants to protect the accused more, it says so in the article. It's messed up help one more, while the other needs more help as well.
Obama-era changes to Title IX enforcement on college campuses isn't something above reproach or only questionable by those who want to erase a black President's administration's legacy. Save these remarks for Twitter replies.
There's serious concerns about a college's ability to investigate and adjudicate these matters.
There's room to improve the 2011 Dear Colleague Letter. Other concerns raised in this thread about the who/what/why on potential changes are important.
Netherscourge
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Protect the accused?
Nope.
I'm out.
Most of these pieces of shit are already protected by the schools, their athletic programs and finally asshole judges who slap light sentences on them after they are convicted of rape.
Here's a novel idea: How about defending the victims first?
Knowing DeVos she'll just make rape legal on campuses, but only for white men. She's a deluded piece of shit and no one should even be actually considering she might do a good job in handling this incredibly sensitive and far flung situation.
LowlySmokeGuy
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Not everyone who is accused is a piece of shit. Sometimes the "victims" are pieces of shit.
I didn't say anything about the validity of the policy, I'm talking about the person pretending to give a damn.
legacyzero
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TheLostBigBoss
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I love getting my counter points from the tabloids!
Psychoward
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You can stop pretending to think that Devos is going to make any aspect of the policy any better ever. Save those remarks for your head.
Sho_Nuff82
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The current system is a mess of on-campus kangaroo courts, though I don't trust Devos in the slightest to make things better for victims.
You're right. The problem is, this is such a minority of cases that how do you plan policy around it? You want to protect the victims who, most of the time, are actually victims who have been assaulted. And you want to pay deference to them when they make those accusations. But you also don't want to lean so far away that you're ruining the lives of the minority of people who have actually been wrongly accused. But how the hell do you strike that balancing act?
The campus sexual assault policies are still extremely problematic today, but I don't trust anyone in this administration much less DeVos, who is far and away among the worst, to improve on the situation at all.
Said it better than I could. I expect nothing good.
What DeVos is saying she wants to accomplish is not inherently bad, but how she chooses to talk about it should flash giant warning signs. The article makes it sounds like she's putting the unjustly accused as a problem of equal weight to assault victims denied justice. False accusations are bad. Cases of people being punished for false accusations also, by every metric I've seen, much rarer than people who are assaulted and ignored or denied justice. Both are problems, but one is a wider-spread one.
Essentially the way DeVos talks about it seemed primed and ready to create an environment more hostile to victims coming forward in the name of protecting against false accusations. REAL victims, after all, wouldn't need to worry about being punished fo false accusations.
Essentially the way DeVos talks about it seemed primed and ready to create an environment more hostile to victims coming forward in the name of protecting against false accusations. REAL victims, after all, wouldn't need to worry about being punished fo false accusations.
metalslimer
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The current system is a mess, but yeah no I don't trust these loons to make it any better.
Point out where I even implied she would.
Netherscourge
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'Sometimes' doesn't justify giving them any protection.
I'll give victims the benefit of the doubt all of the time.
I'll gladly take the very small # of frauds out there if it means 90+% of the legit sexual assault victims get justice.
Any attempt to make it harder for a victim to get justice should be blocked. The burden is already on them to prove their attacker's guilt, not the other way around.
Circle Jerk
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The Atlantic is currently doing a three part series on why campus policies on sexual assault need reform. To be honest, reading that article then this thread, there are a lot of just deeply misguided posts in here. DeVos is incompetent, but considering that schools are also saying they will double down on a broken policy doesn't make me feel much better. Title IX reform is needed, but not from people who will just go the other direction.
This administration has me jaded, so whenever anyone from it says something Obama did needs fixing, I immediately assume the color of his skin is at the root of their issue with it.
DeVos didn't offer any kind of specifics, which further cements my belief above.
excelsiorlef
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When DeVos is the one saying it. It's not about what can happen but pretending that it's the majority of what does happen. Which just means rape victims will have even a harder time
Rockandrollclown
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I feel like I've had this explained to me, but have forgotten. Why do colleges handle this instead of local law enforcement?
excelsiorlef
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Because local law enforcement abdicates responsibility in far too many cases.
On NPR this morning she was talking about how this was "an adjustment after Obama's overcorrection" so I'm pretty comfortable throwing this in the "Obama touched it, so Trump will pee on it" bucket. There are no improvements coming.