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84% of all statistics are made up on the spot by assholes.
Really, do you have link to proof? Or did you just make that up?
84% of all statistics are made up on the spot by assholes.
The same way the XSX tool excuses are.
This is despite numerous threads/people (sony fans and some xbox fans) saying they won't be far because its only 15% difference and Ps5 has faster this and faster that. Which is fair enough.You and I know very well that the mere fact they're identical is always a win for Sony, since the PS5 was always deemed the weaker console with less power and CPU and RAM speed. Let alone PS5 having the upper hand by a frame or 2.
We all should be expecting SX beating PS5 every time by a good margin, which isn't happening.
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Rolling my eyes at the immature chest beating, but I have to say it’s pretty remarkable how consistently the PS5 has emerged in the lead at this early stage.
I bought into what I honestly thought would be the weaker system, just as an extra for exclusives, and somehow ended up with the actual beast. I really have to credit Mark Cerny and his staff for a very intelligent, unconventional design that accomplishes more with less, to the point where it’s simultaneously the cheapest and best performing next-gen system.
That said, the differences are typically minuscule. Series X owners shouldn’t be disheartened over anything but the expectations of blowing out the competition not happening, and that’s not the biggest deal in the end. It’s a gorgeous game on both.
Props to 2K too, for doing right by the players with a true next-gen game. I get the feeling that the limited scope of an NBA game may help? You can certainly see that the non-court parts are a big step back. But nonetheless.
Its laughable when people believe PS5 is performing better because of the SSD and I/O
the PS5 is not pushing above its weight since the RX 5700XT '' a 9.7 Teraflop GPU'' is
outperforming the PS5 on Godfall right now if anyone didnt notice
What component is so CELL like (exotic, hard to program, with big potential) in XSX?..They not. These launch games are not using features set of these consoles. But PS5 dev kits were available to devs last year and SX around July/August based on reports from various reliable insiders and Phill also confirmed it that they were behind in production.
So devs are more familiar with PS5 dev kits and i guess its also easier to use than new GDK of Xbox which has multiple console profiles.
But average consumer will not care about all of this and they will think SX not what they thought and specs are lie. Its upto MS to fix it by next year by working with devs and showing some stunning looking first party games like Hellblade 2.
PS3 was more powerful than 360 and still 360 was outperforming it but ultimately games started to look identical and Sony also showcased the power of PS3 with their first party games. MS must do same and they have studios to do it and end this narrative.
The difference here is mainly GPU, those variable clocks are killing it:
There were developers saying this looong before these games or consoles even launched but the armchair devs on this forum and Twitter never listened.There you go.
"GPU related drops" on XSX.
This is why someone said: "It's dangerous to rely on TFLOPS as an absolute indicator of GPU performance"
Another day, another test where PS5 comes out on top.
Has anyone actually verified the xsx can do 12 TF ?
They not. These launch games are not using features set of these consoles. But PS5 dev kits were available to devs last year and SX around July/August based on reports from various reliable insiders and Phill also confirmed it that they were behind in production.
So devs are more familiar with PS5 dev kits and i guess its also easier to use than new GDK of Xbox which has multiple console profiles.
But average consumer will not care about all of this and they will think SX not what they thought and specs are lie. Its upto MS to fix it by next year by working with devs and showing some stunning looking first party games like Hellblade 2.
PS3 was more powerful than 360 and still 360 was outperforming it but ultimately games started to look identical and Sony also showcased the power of PS3 with their first party games. MS must do same and they have studios to do it and end this narrative.
Pretty much. People talk like xsx is cell processor in ps3 . Ps5 and xsx are both x86 architecture with zen cpu and rdna gpu made by same company .It's just a false narrative for damage control, nothing more. Let's look at the facts here:
The only problem is that GDK doesn't allow low-level optimization, and this cannot be remedied because of MS's unification policy across Xbox and PC. This will continue to be a problem for developers.
- Before the first comparison, NO ONE even mentioned dev kits and APIs and GDK problems. Not even a single person or influencer. Not even MS.
- Phil Spencer tweeted that he took home Series X and it's now his primary console. That was in Nov. 2019. So the devs must have dev kits before Nov. 2019.
- GDK is not the problem. Dirt 5 developer confirmed that MS brought most of the features to GDK from XDK.
- GDK also was available to developers as early as December 2019, according to documentation.
- Directx 12 isn't the problem. Xbox has been using DX12 since 2015 now.
- Waiting for RDNA2 features is a bogus claim. Sony took RDNA2 and customized it. MS took an off-the-shelf RDNA2 GPU. If any one was slowed down, it would've been Sony because of additional customizations and new tech like Boost Clocks and Smart Shift that XSX is missing.
- "Developers are unfamiliar with RDNA2" is also a false claim. The exact same games are working 100% fine on AMD PC GPUs that also use RDNA2.
It's by an edge, but PS5 looks to perform better here too. I understand the VRR argument, but these comparisons are to find out which console is producing the best results, not which is better to play due to outside factors.
Unbanned?
Thank the moons.
Hold it together but keep up the tribes work yeah......always hilarious to read.
Im genuinely curious if you actually play any games or just find ways to praise Playstation without actually playing the games.
Kinda like a Simp hoping for pussy but deep down knowing its never going to happen.
I hope everything is all right at home.
PS5 has the edge here, it’s a fact.
What happened to the 12Tflops!!!!!!!!!
Where is the GAP!!!!!!!!
So as the post by insane metal a good lot of pages ago... from a third party dev..
This lines up with what we have heard from a lot of whispers coming out.
The crytek dev who didn't just say a few words he gave massive in depth answers and was dismissed by a lot of hardcore xbox fans as it was pulled for 'personal reasons'...
It's looking like this is the picture coming out. The xbox is very powerful but the ps5 is revolutionary and has made io breakthroughs and has gone for insane speed.
Xbox has been going with the most powerful console narrative and yes it is technically.
I wonder if Sony has been happy for them to push this and let it be absorbed by all?
Let's face it, it has whipped the hardcore up into a frenzy and when you read the twitter and YouTube comments a lot were believing the dealers of this world and that the XSX should be WAY more powerful.
I wonder if Sony was ok with this happening if they knew what they had in their locker and the real world performance being close, equal or even in some areas a lot in their favour, which when the reality drops it could be very bad pr for xbox and the ultra fans having meltdowns.
Afterall the expectation built up now is the worlds most powerful console has to run better or there will be chaos. I do wonder if xbox has built up too much hype on this, riding the most powerful wave but now has to back it up and reality is not quite what a lot were told. In some areas like a bit more resolution and a bit stronger ray tracing yes it can have a probably small lead but that's nothing massive or that noticeable.
Ps5 is seeming like it should easily show how much faster it is in loading and streaming which seems critical for UE5 demo graphics and the flying section for eg. If the xbox can't run things at the same settings that's terrible optics for the world's most powerful console.
In the quoted dev opinion it says 2.5-5x the speed not sure if that overall io but I'd expect it be as the ssd alone is x2 and factor in the dedicated hardware it should be more IMO.
We have seen some unbelievable attempts to damage control, the best being that laptop, turns out its not running the demo but playing the damn video, you couldn't make this stuff up.
I think xbox has built up an unrealistic power angle that is going to be hard to show and with gaps expected that are completely unrealistic. Add in the ps5 being ahead in some key areas and I'd expect a lot of meltdowns to come.
It will come and the melt downs will be glorious, when the SDK is fixed. just wait .What happened to the 12Tflops!!!!!!!!!
Where is the GAP!!!!!!!!
LOL What?! Are you fucking kidding me?Rolling my eyes at the immature chest beating, but I have to say it’s pretty remarkable how consistently the PS5 has emerged in the lead at this early stage.
I bought into what I honestly thought would be the weaker system, just as an extra for exclusives, and somehow ended up with the actual beast. I really have to credit Mark Cerny and his staff for a very intelligent, unconventional design that accomplishes more with less, to the point where it’s simultaneously the cheapest and best performing next-gen system.
That said, the differences are typically minuscule. Series X owners shouldn’t be disheartened over anything but the expectations of blowing out the competition not happening, and that’s not the biggest deal in the end. It’s a gorgeous game on both.
Props to 2K too, for doing right by the players with a true next-gen game. I get the feeling that the limited scope of an NBA game may help? You can certainly see that the non-court parts are a big step back. But nonetheless.
Been waiting... and still fucking waiting.It will come and the melt downs will be glorious, when the SDK is fixed. just wait .
Can't wait to see the same difference hit the other side just to hear the same people who now define meaningless such gap, suddenly change their tone as incredible achievement in performance, an unprecedent, only possible in the 12 TF monster.It will come and the melt downs will be glorious, when the SDK is fixed. just wait .
Been waiting... and still fucking waiting.
My beer is getting cold mofo. Don't make me wait too long.
LOL What?! Are you fucking kidding me?
Did you see the state of this forum after Road to PS5 dropped? You could barely hold a decent conversation regarding any of the specs of both consoles without being trolled relentlessly by an Xbox fan.
There are many examples of people just trying to discuss specs (without any fanboy ism) and you'd have the thread thrown into disarray because some Xbox fans entered to remind you of the 12TF monster Xbox and how the PS5 is going to suffer against the power king.
This happened daily in multiple threads and was one of the reasons I took a short break from the forum.
So please, kindly STFU with that noise. There wouldn't be any gloating if it wasn't for the endless months of trolling from camp XBOX.
I put my money on it now, the peak clocks of the ps5 will only ever be temporary.
PS5 GPU: 1080TI
Series X: 2080S
Most people said they would be happy with such power just few weeks ago.
It seems nearly in every category Series X outdid PS5
GPU CUs
GPU TFs
CPU clock speed
SSD Size
Expanding SSD instead of replacing
Full backwards compatibility
Enhanced backwards compatibility showcase
Smart delivery
Multi game switching showcased
Auto HDR for old games
The only thing PS5 has over Series X is
Higher clockspeed for GPU and even that's variable seems like wishy washy damage control as most likely can't handle high clockspeed at all times
Faster SSD very cool feature but if 3rd party games need to run on Series X they won't take advantage of faster SSD in terms of gameplay design other than quicker loading.
3D Audio
It didn't help they barely mentioned Ray tracing making me think it can't do it as well as Series X, and no mention of VRS.
What a shit show from Sony. If it was this bad they should have announced with exclusive games.
What I got from Eurogamer video was that PS5 can't sustain both max CPU and GPU speeds at the same time, it has to prioritize one over the other, which is a real bummer. The SSD does sound interesting the way it's designed so let's see how it functions in games.
I wanted xsx to have a slight edge because they are truly trying and taking big steps. So I wanted them to do better this gen. But I didnt want ps5 to drop the ball this bad... no true BC, 9TF in reality at times if you see the DF... I mean compare this to 12.1 tf, faster CPU clocks, gamepass killing it, FULL BC.
I have both systems. Ps4 pro and one x.
I thought 2.0ghz was ridiculous when that was the rumour, 2.2ghz is beyond mindboggling. No way would you set out making a console with that in mind. Simple fact is 10.3tf sounds a hell of a lot better than 9.2tf, especially when you know your opposition is bringing 12.1.
I dont care what anyone says, and imo tech sites will prove it after launch, PS5 wont be running close to 10.3tf when running actual games.
I like how Cerny was like 36 rdna cus are like 58 ps4 gcn cus!!!!
well, ps4 cus were on 28nm. rdna 2.0 is on 7nm. thats a 4x reduction. should have 4x the CUs.
18*4=72 cus. they went so cheap they couldnt even give us a full 4x transistor leap. i have no idea why they picked the gpu to save money.
Can't wait to see the same difference hit the other side just to hear the same people who now define meaningless such gap, suddenly change their tone as incredible achievement in performance, an unprecedent, only possible in the 12 TF monster.
The DF COD thread it's the perfect resume .
Nah, you've seen it all, no need to act surprised. The banter over xbox fans for the extremely aggressive FUD campaign against PS5, calling PS5 a 9TF console, weak console, and xbox gonna crush PS5 by 40-50fps.
We asked for parity, and instead Sony provided a devastating dominance in all multiplats. With Xbox you left with nothing to justify your buy except having your friends there. So expect laughs and banter on every face-off after the sleazy campaign of Phil Spencer, Aaron Greenberg and their goons.
Karma is a bitch, as they say.
That tweet from Tom Warring is hilarious yet embarassing as fuck. No wonder he deleted that shit. But the internet never forgets.
Argument timeline would likely go along this path in such scenario: “9 TFLOPS, 18% gap in favour of the XSX is the minimum to be expected, it will be much much wider” —> “ah parity or few percentage loss does not matter, the games are the same, few percentage points of performance is a meaningless delta” -> “ XSX won (by single digits x%), monster... best way to play, best place to play, eat crow you idiots whooohooo”... and they will hope that the 18% “minimum” gap will be forgotten and pretend nobody was really seriously saying that at all.
The simplest thing for a journalist is to not delete a tweet but apologize. It's about integrity. And if a journalist doesn't have integrity, what does he have left!
Man, I don't know how they sleep, knowing how full of bullshit they are and how they sway people with their lies.
These threads are just full of back slapping George Bush "Mission Accomplished" fanboys gleefully cheering a 2 fps frame drop on an obscure camera angle no one uses on the console they don't like. This would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad.
LOL What?! Are you fucking kidding me?
Did you see the state of this forum after Road to PS5 dropped? You could barely hold a decent conversation regarding any of the specs of both consoles without being trolled relentlessly by an Xbox fan.
There are many examples of people just trying to discuss specs (without any fanboy ism) and you'd have the thread thrown into disarray because some Xbox fans entered to remind you of the 12TF monster Xbox and how the PS5 is going to suffer against the power king.
This happened daily in multiple threads and was one of the reasons I took a short break from the forum.
So please, kindly STFU with that noise. There wouldn't be any gloating if it wasn't for the endless months of trolling from camp XBOX.
OH you've got to be kidding me? Are you serious?Did you know that those clowns were begging for 9TF comment to not be bannable in the ban review thread? They were extremely aggressive with horde mentality and now you find them crying and acting "mature" to ease the pain of all the backfires of Microsoft's lies and FUD.
I decided to go back and have a little look and this is just a snippet, there's tons of gold material to be had. People really bought into the teraflops marketing. Xbox either did it knowing or were completely caught off guard themselves after buying into it too much.
It's not the fact PS5 is hitting vsync when Series X is struggling (so way more than actually 2 FPS difference if the framerate was unclocked), or that PS5 generally has higher details. It's the chickens coming home to roost that I enjoy the most.These threads are just full of back slapping George Bush "Mission Accomplished" fanboys gleefully cheering a 2 fps frame drop on an obscure camera angle no one uses on the console they don't like. This would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad.
OH you've got to be kidding me? Are you serious?
Bro, these people are fucking delusional. I got no sympathy for any of them. Actively trying to encourage the spread of misinformation?
They can get fucked. Every last one of them.
A rising tide lifts all boats."Curiously"
"Academic difference"
"Just use a different camera angle"
Ok, DF.
They don't seem to make these excuses when the PS version is the inferior one.
"Curiously"
"Academic difference"
"Just use a different camera angle"
Ok, DF.
They don't seem to make these excuses when the PS version is the inferior one.