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DF: Quantum Break: Better on DirectX 11! Gameplay Frame-Rate Tests
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Maintenance
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I'm shocked.
Shocked, I tell you.
Shocked, I tell you.
LabouredSubterfuge
Member
:lol
It's never getting dx11 support.
ambar_hitman
Member
I am getting decent performance on 1060.
jediyoshi
Member
Welp, of all the games this could have happened to, I'd rather it be one I'm not in a hurry to return to.
That could be completely irrelevant. Blame DX12 performance on the 970/Nvidia.
That could be completely irrelevant. Blame DX12 performance on the 970/Nvidia.
TheChewyWaffles
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Are the new Titans any better with DX12? In other words are we looking at perpetual performance deficits even when the new ti's come out?
Greatest Ever
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So how much is Microsoft responsible for the Windows Store port, and who's to thank for the Steam port then?
Also, DX 272637 or whatever couldn't save this game. Save your money for a sale.
Also, DX 272637 or whatever couldn't save this game. Save your money for a sale.
Dictator93
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This most likely has nothing to do with it and is a bit of a misappraissal of what it means that GPUs are made for low-level APIs.
I would imagine this is only half the answer. Rather, I bet Remedy had not even a few months to create the original DX12 renderer, thus how terrible it was. MS just did not give them the time.
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Does anyone have both versions of the game and would be willing to test something for me? I noted how the DX12 Win10 release of QB on NV, with an uncapped framerate @ 4K, ended up utilising 20% less power or so than DX11 titles with similar settings (uncapped framerate @ 4k), thus implying that the GPUs units were being underutilised. Can anyone test to see if the Power % / utilisation in MSI Afterburner is infact about 20% higher in the DX11 release of QB than the DX12 Win 10 one?
OnionPowder
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Then why does AMD remained unchanged? If it was all Nividia it should be a noticeable difference between DX11 and 12 for AMD cards.
If AMD's DX12 performance was better than NVIDIA's DX11 performance (or even AMD's own DX11 performance), then yeah, there would maybe be something in there - but it isn't this game.
I think if Microsoft want people to not laugh in their face re: Windows 10 apps for games they should really be helping the developers who aren't familiar with the platform get the games running at an acceptable level, and really should be getting them running at a better than good level if they want any reason, any reason at all for people to want to buy games on their new, unproven (disproven? is that appropriate? is that even a word?) platform.
Didn't they do something where they helped the Destiny, or was it Diablo 3 devs getting those games working well enough on the Xbox One? I think they need to do more of that.
Didn't they do something where they helped the Destiny, or was it Diablo 3 devs getting those games working well enough on the Xbox One? I think they need to do more of that.
Fair enough, and I wasn't so sure of the first half as well just knowing going off of info I heard about how AMD was architecting their stuff. Remedy definitely needed more time to do the port justice there's no mistaking that. I just hope at some point in time MS decides to bring this IP back, game is a blast to play and I love the storyline.
Actually, when DX12 performs worse than DX11 then that is one of the very few cases you can always squarely put "blame" on the developers. They have all the tools to make their game run as well or better than in DX11 in DX12.
Of course, it's rather silly to "blame" anyone.
Instead, it is a good time to come to the realization of just how well a good DX11 driver manages the hardware.
digitalrelic
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I'm waiting to see how those clowns in the Performance Thread are going to try to continue to justify UWP performance now. smh
guybrushfreeman
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This is totally messed up
The Janitor
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I wonder if MS realizes how bad this makes the Win10 version look. If I were MS I'd make Remedy patch in DX11 to the W10 version aswell.
Just like the PS3 & Saturn. All that hidden potential.
We're in a high level programming world. That potential will never be tapped.
The entire purpose of DX12 is contrary to what you just said. Blame AMD for bad drivers outside of DX12.
Maintenance
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You're wrong, DX12 puts more weight on the developers. Plus if that was true AMD would be getting more frames using DX12 and that's not the case.
Dictator93
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NP, mate. Hope I did not come off harsh in response (probably did :/). I just do not want this game to be used as some GPU-Vendor wars crap.
MS using this game in the shoe-horned way they did to push out DX12 and Win 10 store (in spite of both not being ready in the time given) is a huge shame. I can only imagine remedy was not very happy. And yeah, I think the game has some great elements in it (mainly on the gameplay side), which were completely overshadowed by its technical problems and its association with the whole TV-era MS stuff (let's be honest, the TV show in the game is an artifact of those original xb1 decisions).
Peotical Injection
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I was honestly surprised with how well it ran on my 980 at 2k, and ultra textures, with some setting on high and medium. Game runs and looks amazing.
That's the point. The developer is directly responsible for the DX12 performance. It's not that Remedy couldn't have achieved the DX11 performance in DX12, it's that Remedy was incapable of doing so. Seeing as how big a seller the 970 ended up being, Remedy should have put a lot of focus on performance there. With DX11 Remedy could avoid that situation and let Nvidia's drivers do most of the work.
I think the biggest take away from this is that if someone isn't employing technical wizards, the studio should probably use a high level API and let Nvidia do the heavy lifting for them.
This is so messed up, how can we blame the people that own the game on the Windows Store and are pirating the Steam version?
kruis
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John Wick
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Anyway I can get a refund for the UWP version and get this?
LelouchZero
Member
That's terrible to leave the game in a state like that, wow.
Why did this game launch only with DX12, it seems pretty forced. UWP?
I also wonder what caused those driver crashes for the GTX 970 under DX12, that's very odd to see months later with the latest drivers.
digitalrelic
Banned
Nope. We're fucked.
Nah, I didn't take it the wrong way, I understand your concern. I don't care about a Nvidia v. AMD. I was just pointing out that, that could be the reason for the performance difference in DX12. I currently have a AMD card (really old, like a HD 6770 Sapphire or something, I forget...that's how long, haha) but would get a 1070 if I had the funds, and I may when I do so I hold no alliance to cards at all.
MS definitely rushed this port and QB is definitely an artifact of the original Xbox stuff, but if you remember it was shown at the launch of the system and didn't make it until this year. They definitely had no idea about developing the game on DX12. I still love the game (my GOTY so far) for the story in itself. Loved it. I will automatically buy a sequel just for the story. lol. I hope MS will bring it back someday. Remedy was clearly unhappy about that situation with MS. And it's sad to see that their direction going now. But oh well.
cleveridea
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So is there any downside to the DX11 version versus DX12, like any missing effects or anything?
Very annoying if I have to pay again to get 1080/60 after buying this already on windows store. Wont be buying any more windows store games if this is the case
Very annoying if I have to pay again to get 1080/60 after buying this already on windows store. Wont be buying any more windows store games if this is the case
LabouredSubterfuge
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60 with drops and some stutter outside in the early parts. Though I just got to a warehouse and perf was much smoother, so we'll see.
LostDonkey
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I gave it a curious whirl last night (Win store edition) and they still haven't fixed the floating earpiece thing. Turned it straight off again.
Sad.
I really enjoyed it on XB1 but the PC version is a joke.
Sad.
I really enjoyed it on XB1 but the PC version is a joke.
AMD keeps winning with DX12, AMD's DX12 performance is pretty much on par with Nvidia's DX11 performance. It's disappointing that AMD didn't get a boost with DX11 though.
I think this is a case where you can lay the blame on both the developer and Nvidia.
I think this is a case where you can lay the blame on both the developer and Nvidia.
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LabouredSubterfuge
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Have you actually had a refund request denied, or are you just guessing?
I've not heard of anyone having a request denied.