The true triumphs are in Activision and EA's earnings reports! Where are the glorious cinematic shooting experiences on the Personal Computer? Checkmate, sir.
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DFC Intelligence Analyst: 'PC games have surpassed console games globally'
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The true triumphs are in Activision and EA's earnings reports! Where are the glorious cinematic shooting experiences on the Personal Computer? Checkmate, sir.
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Physical copies haven't been relevant in the pc space for over 6 years now, why even bring them up?
The only relevant PC retail markets are Germany and some of central/eastern europe. The vast majority of PC revenue is digital.
That said you are right, the most popular games on consoles are rarely the most popular on PC (there are exeptions).
That said, EA (sims, battlefield ect. ) and Activision (diablo, wow, starcraft) make a lot of money on PC. ubi a bit less. Take two is a bit of an outlier among big western publishers with only 20% of revenue.
China and Korea would like to have a word with you.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say, but my point is simply that it doesn't really matter much to a number of AAA developers because they simply won't see the numbers you get with more PC specific genres; i.e. MOBA, etc.
That's not to say they aren't going to release their games on PC, there is still a good enough market there, it's just that the PC market surpassing the console market doesn't mean an awful lot to them; they will still probably sell more games on console.
You need to read more carefully
I don't know about korea but i'd be really surprised if there is a big retail market for games in china.
China's PC revenue is huge, but i was under the impression that almost all of it is earned from client based online games.
It might lead them to think "hey, maybe we should tap into this revenue stream by making competitors as well", which has already been happening as Ubi, EA and Acti have all started to launch f2p/moba-esque games on PC.
I feel kinda ashamed that it's MOBAs that got us to the top. We deserve to be there because of RTSes, not their demon spawn.
Unless I'm mistaken, there exist games played entirely in Asia which make more money than League.
Unless I'm mistaken, there exist games played entirely in Asia which make more money than League.
How long till the stratergy game bubble bursts?
When will game innovation end on the PC?
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Your original argument was something about average game sales and diversity that's what I'm arguing about not that the most popular games on consoles and those on pc's are entirely different which anyone familiar with either platform can tell you.
Imperfected
Member
I can't speak to China, but most of Korea's PC market actually plays through PC Bangs, which is part of why the F2P model is basically the de facto method of release there. (You can sell a decent number of retail copies to PC bangs to load on their computers, but it's going to basically be one copy sold to every dozen or more players actually using that copy. An account-based system with microtransactions can potentially monetize every single user of the game.)
Well... because someone asked me to 'cite' some source. I was stating that I'm not sure I need to because it has long been known that physical copies sell much lower than consoles. That was mentioned along side the fact that there is currently a study by Ars Technica on Steam...
Well, also areas like South Korea when it comes to MOBA games.
QuickSilverD
Member
guys, guys, console and pc markets are obviously very different, with different tastes, no need to fight over which market has the bigger penis-- i mean audience
Well, they could do that yeah.
CadetMahoney
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2spooky4me
Member
It's not the same though...
PC has changed into being the main platform for free-to-play games and subscription type games. The money is coming from a few people who are dumb enough to pay thousands of dollars for skins and crap. Even Valve is embracing this future.
PC gaming is devolving.
PC has changed into being the main platform for free-to-play games and subscription type games. The money is coming from a few people who are dumb enough to pay thousands of dollars for skins and crap. Even Valve is embracing this future.
PC gaming is devolving.
Found it:
That is insane
Wow at Tencent. I kind of want to try Nexon's Dungeon Fighter. How well does it run on ancient hardware?
Principate
Saint Titanfall
When you have free games that sell you cosmetic items and give you hundreds of hours of gameplay, does it really matter, in comparison piece meal dlc city and $30 demo's, does it really matter?
Gaming as a whole is devolving, consoles very much also (your paying for online for gods sake something that's free, since your already pay for it). At we're getting to enjoy lots of good contents (not cheapest copy cat them change mobile drivel) for a fraction of the price.
I'm not even sure it's still has servers running in the west. Definitely never had in Europe (as I wanted to play it).
Imperfected
Member
The Free-to-Play model has created a means by which millions of people who otherwise might not be able to are able to experience PC gaming are able to do so. The fact that it's actually turning a profit at the same time without having to be somehow subsidized by outside interests is absolutely amazing.
There are some hundred million people in Asia right now who could not have been gamers under the old business models who are now able to play games on the budget and means of access available to them. What exactly is so terrible about that?
EternalTruth
Member
Doesn't surprise me, with the lack of console exclusives I have barely touched my launch Wii U and PS4, yet the steady stream of PC exclusives just keep coming....
From MOBAs like DOTA2, Heroes of the Storm (Alpha) and SMITE to
RTSs Starcraft 2: Heart of the Swarm, and Rome II Total War to
the MMOs juggernauts World of Warcraft and Guild Wars 2 to
the best selection of Indies....
and lets not forget the PC has the best versions of cross platform games like Dark Souls II, Battlefield 4 and upcoming the Watch_Dogs
PC gaming has got the goods right now!
From MOBAs like DOTA2, Heroes of the Storm (Alpha) and SMITE to
RTSs Starcraft 2: Heart of the Swarm, and Rome II Total War to
the MMOs juggernauts World of Warcraft and Guild Wars 2 to
the best selection of Indies....
and lets not forget the PC has the best versions of cross platform games like Dark Souls II, Battlefield 4 and upcoming the Watch_Dogs
PC gaming has got the goods right now!
EternalTruth
Member
I wonder if these industry forecasts from Feb. 2014 by Nvidia are at least somewhat relevant now...
or this data from GDC 2013
or this data from GDC 2013
Principate
Saint Titanfall
I wonder if these industry forecasts by Nvidia are at least somewhat relevant now...
It uses DFC so relevant to this thread yeah.
Diablo 3 sold like 12 million on PC
Only did a million or two on consoles.
Look like AAA games sell better on PC right? Oh wait, you mean lead platform, year late ports, fostered fanbases and other metrics play into how well multiplat games sell?
WHODAFUCKINGTHUNKIT
I do enjoy the insecurity though. Both handheld and console gaming are going through some thangs...... People speculating whether or not we will even get another console generation following this one. But one thing is for sure, PC gaming ain't going nowhere but up.
Only did a million or two on consoles.
Look like AAA games sell better on PC right? Oh wait, you mean lead platform, year late ports, fostered fanbases and other metrics play into how well multiplat games sell?
WHODAFUCKINGTHUNKIT
I do enjoy the insecurity though. Both handheld and console gaming are going through some thangs...... People speculating whether or not we will even get another console generation following this one. But one thing is for sure, PC gaming ain't going nowhere but up.
Marauder Shields
Member
Considering that MOBA's like LoL and Dota aren't real games, these results don't mean much. Consoles still the place for dat true cinematic gaming experience.
Shining Sunshine
Banned
Well duh. A good F2P model will always do better than selling full price.
EternalTruth
Member
Just because you don't like MOBAs doesn't mean you should take a dump on the whole genre, maybe you just haven't found the right game yet?
Have you tried SMITE or looked into some of the upcoming MOBAs like Orcs Must Die: Unchained or Heroes of the Storm, both of those look promising...
fluffydelusions
Member
The game also has to be good of course...
shaowebb
Member
Honestly, with how difficult it is for ANY developer to stick to any sort of exclusivity with the size of the overhead on current gaming projects PC has pretty well replaced any console I need. It just gets the best version of everything with only a few titles remaining exclusively out of reach. Namely Nintendo products since I dont give a shit about multiplayer games starring guns.
What are you saying?
Mithos
Member
And how many PC's are there out there that could play Diablo 3 vs the 160 million PS3/360?
When a game on PC sell % the same as a game on console, THEN I will be impressed.
The market, developers and money don't give a shit whether you are impressed. Lol. Not sure why you think thats a metric that matters to anyone but you. 12 million is 12 million, ain't nobody caring about the % to PC's. They are counting the money.
Nah, F2P isn't a easy button to profitability. There are a million failed F2P games out there. You still have to have a good product.
Mithos
Member
Have fun counting your money knowing your missing 98% of the people having a computer able to play it.
Knowing 25%, 35% etc etc of everyone capable are playing your games, now that's somethign to be happy about.
What does this even mean.
Ryoohki360
Neo Member
Well i buy everything on PC, because i don't give a *** ass about consoles. the only console exclusive game i wished i had a Ps3 for was the Last of Us. That's in the last 10 years..
What is this supposed to mean?
Crimsonclaw111
Member
Lol at the moving goalposts in here.
Glad to see gaming as a whole is healthy though, no single market should struggle.
Glad to see gaming as a whole is healthy though, no single market should struggle.
Mithos
Member
That even though only ~1% of the 160 million PS3/360 owners own Diablo 3, I think there are even LESS % PC owner that owns it, even though it has sold 12 million on PC, because there are WAY WAY WAY more PC's out there that CAN play it then there are people that buy it compared to on consoles.
Imperfected
Member
It's clearly better to make the best-selling Virtual Boy game than it is to sell a game to tens of millions of people on a more popular platform.
... wait, what?
... wait, what?
Why does this matter?
Well said. Such ridiculous logic. Marketshare is a stupid metric, profitability is all that matters.
First why should it matter? From you point of view, companies like Audi/Porche should feel guilty of not making budget cars like Toyota Camry?
Second, there is a different between a GAMING PC, and a PC used for work. You are not going to play games on your office laptop/desktop for Christ's sake.
Not too surprising as the signs have been showing that PC gaming is booming. Even if it is mostly do to genres I don't care much about in regions on the other side of the world. Sure on a personal level I would love for it to be do to genres I do care about, but hopefully some of those who play MOBAs and MMOs today will play games like Pillars of Eternity tomorrow.
Banananana
Neo Member
A lot of Brazilians, Chinese and Russians playing MOBA games.
No surprise that consoles are either expensive as fuck or banned in these countries.
No surprise that consoles are either expensive as fuck or banned in these countries.
Mithos
Member
Why should it not matter, it's one of the biggest issue/thing on console, that as many as possible that own the specific platform play/buy your game, so PC should play by its own rules?
And I am sure they are more GAMING PC's out there then there are PS4/Xbox One + PS3/360 counted together. So why should you be happy with sales that is just a fraction of a % of your target audience. Like if a game like GTA 5 only sold 10.000 copies on a userbase of 160 million, total failure I'd say.
But the PC versions of games like Diablo III were way more profitable than the console version ever were so again, who cares that a lesser % of the platform bought it? I doubt Blizzard cares, it was that platform that got them the most cash.