Not vitriol. The truth. The truth appears to be something Blizzard South would rather ignore. It's better to view the closed-down North as a "loser" studio, because then they could say the quality of D3 justified the 10 million copies of the game that sold on the backs of North's contributions to the series.
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Diablo 3 Game Director to Diablo 1/2 Project Lead: F**k that loser [Jay apologizes]
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Not vitriol. The truth. The truth appears to be something Blizzard South would rather ignore. It's better to view the closed-down North as a "loser" studio, because then they could say the quality of D3 justified the 10 million copies of the game that sold on the backs of North's contributions to the series.
It will sell very well. We know how it goes.
I hope so, the pokemon aspect of pets is genuinely interesting me
So you're insinuating that just because I like the game, it means that my objectivity in this thread is questioned?
Given that there are many more people in this thread who don't like the game, does it mean they're only attacking Jay Wilson and defending Brevik because they don't like the game? So you would question their objectivity as well?
Neuromancer
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I thought the thread title was going to be a little colorful paraphrasing, but nope. That's actually what the guy said. So professional, :lol.
They are a glory to behold
The interviewer was the one asking him those questions.
If you were asked about the failed loot system whats wrong with saying you would handle it differently.
I honestly believe your reading into it too much.
Your are sounding like a conspiracy theorist who finds meaning in something out of nothing.
mysteriousmage09
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D3 sold as fast as it did because of the legacy Brevik and the rest of the blizzard North team left behind with Diablo and Diablo II/LoD. Any group of developers could have made whatever the fuck they wanted and slapped Diablo III and Blizzard on the box and watch their game sell millions after the decade long buildup. Jay owes all of Diablo III's success to the Blizzard North team and instead tells the head of the team to fuck off.
Also let it sink in that if Brevik and the Blizzard North team weren't as talented at what they did and by making Diablo II a smashing success, Blizzard very well would have brushed Diablo aside forever and Diablo III wouldn't have even been considered and your's truly wouldn't have a job at Blizzard right now.
I think you're the only one bringing Brevik into this. Most people are just focused on Jay's totally inept response to the interview.
I agree with this. David Brevik spoke the truth in many ways. I disagree that he would have been able to craft a better game but since many people don't share my opinions on Diablo 3's quality, I'll concede the point.
Unfortunately, people don't like the truth when it's ugly and personal. You think Jay Wilson (or 95% of the people out there who are put in that kind of situation) are going to respond graciously to David Brevik's comments?
Mechanized
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I don't understand how his comments lead to such a backlash. Like, I could see them saying "fuck that guy" when they're at work or something, but to have the lack of common sense and composure to post it on the internet for the world to see? No class at all.
Herbspiceguy
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Biting back because the truth hurts.
"Fastest selling PC game", such a silly argument to use when it comes to this franchise...
"Fastest selling PC game", such a silly argument to use when it comes to this franchise...
You do realize that despite your repeated attempts to engage me in this thread, I have ignored you completely while responding quickly to many other posters in here, right?
Hint: There is a reason for that.
Dude, what? That entire paragraph sounds like it was typed up by someone employed by Blizzard in damage control mode. The least he could've done is explain why David is wrong and explain his decisions for some of the controversial actions, the only 'vitriol' is by those Facebook comments and obviously Jay's 'fuck that loser'. Or you are Jay trying to justify acting like a dick.
He was not asked to respond, and I would think a smart guy would not respond like that.
reptilescorpio
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TIL that Blizzard bought Condor, Inc. founded by David Brevik and the Schaefer's to release Diablo a few months later. So they were like the original Valve picking awesome talent to make games in comfortable spaces!
I had no idea that Jay Wilson was the Lead Designer/Concept behind Blood 2 :/
Team Filler
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If I'm being completely honest, I'm less interested in haranguing on developers who spent a lot of their time making a bad game, and much more interested in attacking the delusional sycophants of said game, those that make it harder to discuss real criticisms and ways to fix problems.
Jay was behind another one of the greatest PC games ever. Company of Heroes. Their dicks are both huge.
I'm pretty sure they all realize that. There have been many interviews with the team even prior to the release of the game. I don't think they really think they're taller either. I think they're also very frustrated that they unable to get the same level of support from the community that Diablo 2 did, and they're trying hard to find a solution.
Unfortunately that doesn't change any of the facts. They made a game lots of people find underwhelming, and by the end game plain unplayable. It does not have the same appeal that Diablo 2, and there is none of the magic that the original games had. Sucks for them. It's even funnier when they're venting on Facebook because we can all see it in public and they look even dumber.
Team Filler
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Brevik made it neither ugly nor personal. You are the one insinuating it as such. Brevik was open in his criticism while still being professional about it, particularly when the question mentioned Jay Wilson.
You don't realize that he didn't say that. He just said that because people are different game is different too. People who left BNorth had much more experience and there probably would not be problems like loot system. But it doesn't mean that game overall would be better.
If you are face of company then yes. Twice if you are adult.
You are forgetting some games on both sides here
Edit: Not on topic realy, but I still have not forgiven d2 for butchering the awesomeness that was d1, so I'm not even mad about d3, I think it is a great game for what it is, still play it a bit.
One's an RTS and the other is an RPG, so gameplay mechanics aren't really transferable. Not saying I didn't enjoy the hell out o it though.
That sounds fantastic and very noble. So why are you in this thread, again?
Team Filler
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Read what I said again.
Reason: Probably i'm making too much sense.
josh mosqueira, lead designer of CoH, worked on diablo 3 too.
together with the increasingly ill conceived coh expansions and the comparatively clumsy DoW 2 series, it just further demonstrates brevik's point regarding about being unable to replicate the creative efforts of a certain group of people at a certain place in time.
I know when I argue with other sports fans of teams I hate, I only use polite words, take them out to dinner and a nice movie, and them have them back before curfew so that their parents think highly of me. I can't believe Jay Wilson said this about a competitor though.
He (being Mr. Wilson) deserves to be fired, IMO, or at least severely reprimanded. That kind of comment on a public forum like Facebook is very unbecoming of someone in his position. Especially given the fact that Brevik's comments were diplomatic given the rather loaded questions.
I could care less if Wilson says 'Fuck that loser!' and I imagine most reasonable people don't care either. I've said much worse about my co-workers and bosses going through the years and hardly remember a reason why. The problem is when you do it publicly over Facebook. Dude should have known better.
No one deserves to be fired for that kind of thing, don't be silly.
Team Filler
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Brevik didn't say that, Jay Wilson did.
Sorry, meant Wilson, my brain doesn't work without coffee.
Lost Fragment
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"Fuck that loser" is gonna be a meme, huh?
LOL. Perfect.
This is cherry picking of the highest quality. Bravo.
And that's forgetting the fact that some people think D3 is just as good as D2.
That's the thing about opinions, chief. You got yours, I got mine. Firing is extremely unlikely I accept, but this will be embarrassing for Blizzard and if he isn't reprimanded in some way I'll be very surprised.
Are the leads the problem? Or the way game production is being managed at Blizzard?
Wolves Evolve
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Nobody interpret this as a defence of Diablo 3, as I think it is a deeply problematic game, but I would find it very hard to work on a community-driven game with a huge culture around it while attempting to achieve anything like professional finish on the project. While Diablo 2 is a vastly superior game in terms of balance, feel, flow, etc - the one tiny caveat I think about is that games culture these days is genuinely more awful than it ever has been. I mean, it scares loads and loads of avid gamers away, like me - and I *like* posting on boards. I can't engage online about Diablo 3, ARMA, etc because all the boards and 'consensus' conversations about what's wrong are consistently riven with boosterism, infights, pandered egos, etc. I would find it especially hard to cut through that noise to get to the feedback about design that existed in the community. Of course, that said, it's Blizzard, they have the talent and resources to do everything at the highest level. There's no excuse.
Palette Swap
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I'm really sorry if I gave out the impression I was insinuating anything. I'm flat out saying you're making a point of defending this guy because you like the game. Brevik's interview rubbed you the wrong way because you like the game, which is why you're going to incredible lengths to explain how "fuck this loser" was justified.
Conversely, people who disliked the game are hardly hiding their glee at this misstep.
But putting the game aside, that comment was absolutely unprofessional and the guy should know better. He has zero excuse.
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