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Diablo 3 Game Director to Diablo 1/2 Project Lead: F**k that loser [Jay apologizes]
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So, do you think the words "fuck that loser" contain a subtle undertone of arrogance and ill intent ?
To put it very simply: if someone made a post like Brevik's interview on GAF to criticize another forumer, they'd be fine. If the other poster answered with "fuck that loser", they probably wouldn't be.
Call it hypocrisy or whatever you want, there's way more nuance on one side than the other. No one forced Wilson to make such a stupid comment, no one.
Team Filler
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An interview and facebook comment shouldn't really carry the same kind of weight, but it does give a peek into the difference between the two developers. One makes lengths to be even-handed while still being honest in their criticism, while the others shows that their idea of nuance is teenager-esque outbursts and doubling down on antagonism.
Brevick was working on D3 with Blizzard North before they were shut down. Brevick gave his thoughts on his D3 in the least inflammatory way while still being honest. Diablo was Brevick and North's creation that was taken from them. Wilson hears how everyone views D3 as a step down in quality and thinks that Hellgate's failure and D3's success justifies their direction when in reality D1, D2, and the rest of Blizzard's legacy titles sold the title. Brevick confirming that he agrees with the community only weakens the perception of the value of Wilson and company's positive contributions to the series. Wilson may have won with the higher selling game, but the people that really matter, the hardcore community, still won't recognize his legitimacy. He will always be a stand-in or an imposter. D3 won't be a "true Diablo game" in the eyes of the community, only a Diablo clone.
That is how I view the situation. I really enjoyed Diablo 3, but Diablo 1 and 2 are going to be still remembered as classic, genre-defining games.
They were posting on a public social network. People are under no obligation to cover for them posting their immature rantings for the entire world to peruse,
Well, he did direct Diablo 3...
mysteriousmage09
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Boom.
Yo we live in 2012. Tell your friend public on facebook "fuck that bitch" (your GF/Wife) and try to persuade her that it's just facebook. It doesn't matter.
What arrogance, what ill ?
The kind conjured in the mind of a man with a company's image to protect.
Seriously, people who think that the responses are "childish", how old are you really? Anyone who has spent more than a year or two in the corporate world would not be surprised at the responses. People don't take kindly to criticisms because everyone has an ego. The degree of receptiveness to criticism typically is inversely proportional to your level of corporate seniority. I strongly disagree with this attitude but that's just the way people are and that's just the way the world works.
Second of all, those comments were supposed (presumably) to be private. His response wasn't childish but neither was it unwarranted. The guy shat on him and his team. He was angry so he said "fuck that loser". It was a heat of the moment response. They didn't issue a PR statement with a "Fuck that loser" headline. It was FB. Their greatest mistake was in thinking that the FB comments would remain private.
I dunno, I quite like the mental image of Brevick sitting in his undersea volcano lair holding a white cat and smiling as he watches a live feed of the D3 forums.
zerokoolpsx
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And it's done.
Smart but you've got the wrong guy. I actually think Diablo 3 is a great game. Certainly my GOTY (thus far).
I'm not going to pretend I haven't reacted that way to criticism in my life before, so I'm also no going to patronize him and tell him how to do his job either. He shouldn't have said it in a public space like that.
I will say though, that I am looking forward to see where this goes.
I will say though, that I am looking forward to see where this goes.
Yes, responding to that on a public forum where the world can see with the words, "fuck that loser" are childish and just because you are apparently surrounded with other children at your work does not make the response any less so.
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Oh definitely, I know. My facebook friends include several coworkers and supervisors, and I would never post something on it that I wouldn't want to say in front of them. My comment was simply more of a, "wish it wasn't like this," sort of thought.
I am not sure this is the case.
Plus spouting out the word "loser" implies many things, like arrogance.
c-c-c-combo.
A subjective thing like quality isn't the issue here. It's Jay acting like a baby who throws his rattle out of the pram.
And its not just Jay.
teh_J0kerer
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Hey, did Jay Wilson work on the original Company of Heroes, or the Opposing Fronts expansion? Cause the expansion pretty much ruined the game according to a lot of players (including me) so it would be pretty funny if that was Jay's contribution.
On the other hand, if Jay designed vanilla CoH, then I can't join in on the hate train on this man.
On the other hand, if Jay designed vanilla CoH, then I can't join in on the hate train on this man.
Kai Dracon
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If these guys are that upset about a professional in the industry with years of experience delivering a subtle, polite, and thoughtful but honest opinion about Diablo 3...
... then the D3 team must spend their days bouncing off the walls of Blizzard's rubber room at the commentary of the actual players of their game.
... then the D3 team must spend their days bouncing off the walls of Blizzard's rubber room at the commentary of the actual players of their game.
Ofcourse, although using facebook was not the wisest of platforms.
Having said that, pro-tip for Jay, talk about these issues when you go out boozing. Worked all this time.
maladroit
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the only people reading into anything are the ones trying to analyze the civil responses given to loaded questions in the interview. you can't exactly delve into the deeper meaning behind "fuck that loser." it is what it is.
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toastyToast
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I am actually genuinely surprised that these guys have not had some sort of mandatory training about this already
Though you can bet they will now
I am just reacting to ElyrionX. "Fuck that loser" is waht it is, it has more undertone than an answer to an interview. There is no defending of this, it's ridiculous.
Large companies usually have policies about that.
David Brevik basically said he would have done things differently (without elaborating how) and talked about a D3 flaw (loot system) that everyone and their dogs already know about. He then proceeded to shit all over the current D3 team while calling himself and the team that left "special", "talented" and "unique".
Jay Wilson has just released a game that broke all sorts of sales record but eventually resulted in a giant backlash against them. He is working on a major patch to be released next week that will hopefully fix some of the biggest issues with the game while thinking about the patches beyond that as well as the planned expansions. I'm sure his priority upon seeing the interview was to type up a 1000-word "professional" response to a guy who has nothing but vitriol for him and his team.
CadetMahoney
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this.
Thats what I'm wondering. Maybe because this is one of the brains behind the games 3 constantly get on the wrong side of the comparison to it acted like the straw that broke the camels back. Something just snapped here no matter how polite and reserved Brevik was.
Yeah, the quality of those people's response reflect the quality of their work. What a total overreaction on their part. What a set of asses.
So he posts "fuck that loser". What a trade off.
Jesus christ.
it's like that guy. you know the guy, you were friends growing up and he was always kinda douchey and never took criticism well, but being part of an open, ball busting group of friends always kept him in check.You get that from their Facebook comments?
Wow, I hope you can live up those standards yourself, and never in your life overreact to anything.
then he started making bank, he started wearing suits 24/7 and made new friends based of his status rather than his personality. he still hung out sometimes, but grew increasingly thin skinned and passive aggressive whenever the mutually distributed ball breaking spotlight moved onto him. he didn't like the way you undermined his lofty ideas of himself; infact, you started to sound more and more like all those liberal douchebags him and his work buddies so joyously despised.
all it took was one last badly received burn over a bbq, and he permanently retreated into his newly made bed of sycophants and social climbers. it was better there.
As a person who just released a game that broke all sorts of sales records and is currently thinking about upcoming patches and expansions his 'priority' should have been to keep his mouth shut.
Instead he and his team threw their toys out of the pram and are justifiably being called idiots because of it.
It seemed like everyone was ganging up on the "loser" that didn't get to put make his version of Diablo 3. "We're so cool that we took his franchise and made it the fastest selling PC game of all time." That 'loser" helped create the games that the Diablo 3 team used as a template and a source of enormous marketing value. The moment the person that helped create their success steps in and confirms that those who bought the game on the merits of the games Blizzard North developed D1 and D2, they have to think about how much their success was produced by their own hard work as opposed to the creative inspiration of those they replaced. They saw North as a team that they were better than and the sales confirmed it. A "loser" like Brevik agreeing with the fans, devalues their contribution to the success of the game, because the majority of the people who bought it off of the quality of D1 and D2 were disappointed. Brevik and North were supposed to be the little people who were replaced. "Now they have the nerve to poke us with a stick while we are on top."
You get that from their Facebook comments?
Wow, I hope you can live up those standards yourself, and never in your life overreact to anything.
I'm not even defending the guy's comments, but that's the vibe this thread gives me. It's like nobody here has ever done this before.
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Or he could have avoided posting 3 words if he's so busy?
It's really amazing how you're defending this just because you like the game.
lol? Vitriol? Sure we were reading teh same articles?
Sadly Panderia is doomed because they are doing something which fans have been clamouring for since the original Pandaren cameo in WCIII (or earlier not sure) by allowing people to play as Pandaras/Pandarens/Panda dudes. This has been seen as a gross insult by the fans.
No, its doomed because of Cata and what blizz has been doing recently. (Nothing)
Anyway, this thread just makes me think of
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