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[xelios]

Just going to pop these here:

You're not accomplishing what you think you are.

I see some Guild Wars too.

 

[Valnen]

This is diablo, not wow. But then again, you are probably example #1 of the target audience blizzard is trying to appeal to.

Well if you don't like Blizzard's art I can see why you wouldn't like the look of their games. But I'd call you weird.

A lot of people love the art of Blizzard. They wouldn't get tons of high quality fanart if they didn't.

 

[Nekrono]

It's because it does look like Diablo.

Mmm... sure.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

You're not accomplishing what you think you are.

I see some Guild Wars too.

Clearly that would depend heavily on what you think I'm trying to accomplish.

 

[V_Arnold]

You guys really think those two shots have the same art style? Because outside standard techniques used to keep polygon count down I really don't see it myself.

Damn, do not try this. Last time I went into this, I was almost massacred for my comments on that.

But basically, what happens is:
-Both game feature humanoids
-Both game is fantasy, although D3 is supposedly "dark" fantasy while WoW is High fantasy
(Interestingly enough, one could easily cherrypick the darker parts of WoW and compare those to D3 screens , saying IT SCREAMS WOW, while it is the other way around)
-Both game has lower polygon-count models, most obvious in the armor sections.
-Both games has armor pieces such as shoulders, and that automatically makes the two identical (while in reality, WoW's obviously more cartoonish. BUT you could find examples where they match).

And this is enough for some people to "call on Blizzard for WoWifying our great Diablo", while in reality, it is just that with D3, they want to get on that timeless look train, not the WoW-train. Graphically, they have resemblances, but that is it. A resemblance is a resemblance, and there is no rule in the world that says "Diablo games should never have even a tiny bit that looks like the other Blizz franchise". If they wanted thet, they would have to choose sci-fi settings. But then it is a friggin' STARCRAFT-CLONE!

It is not like WoW. I, having played WoW for quite some time, can immediately tell a hundred stuff which has nothing to do with WoW's style when seeing a Diablo 3 video, but at the end of the day, it does not matter. Some people's eyes are too focused on the resemblance, and they judge instantly upon finding that, regardless of what is actually happening.

 

[Kayo-kun]

wow Diablo 3 looks like crap!

utterly disappointed! however, its all about gameplay/game mechanics. bring it on D3!!!

Hey don't write that, people will jump on you and you'll have 2-3 pages discussion about how the game looks far better in motion, yadda yadda.

 

[Valnen]

Mmm... sure.

You realize even Diablo 2 armor would probably look similar to WoW armor if they were HD sprites?

This is NOT a problem.

 

[Kayo-kun]

Well if you don't like Blizzard's art I can see why you wouldn't like the look of their games. But I'd call you weird.

A lot of people love the art of Blizzard. They wouldn't get tons of high quality fanart if they didn't.

So you're weird if you don't like the Blizzard art? Are you serious?

You realize even Diablo 2 armor would probably look similar to WoW armor if they were HD sprites?

This is NOT a problem.

Lol yeah sure.

 

[Nekrono]

You realize even Diablo 2 armor would probably look similar to WoW armor if they were HD sprites?

This is NOT a problem.

I'll raise your sprites and give you concept art from Diablo 2:

*More here*

Yeah man, they really would look similar.

 

[Barack Lesnar]

This is the Diablo 2 barb in heavy armor:

Sorry, that tiny pic is the only one I could find right away.

It can be all different colors including purple, blue, red, and so on.

He's not wearing a helmet in that pic but you can easily find one that looks similar (a casque, for example).

The fact that it's made of sprites hurts it in regards to this comparison... polygon vs. polygon is going to look more alike than a sprite vs. polygon, but what you guys are saying is simply not true. I've put in more hours into this game than anyone on this forum. I can confidently say that.

 

[MrKnives]

I'll raise your sprites and give you concept art from Diablo 2:

*More here*

Yeah man, they really would look similar.

That's a freaking concept art

 

[jim-jam bongs]

Damn, do not try this. Last time I went into this, I was almost massacred for my comments on that.

No one lives forever

 

[V_Arnold]

Hey don't write that, people will jump on you and you'll have 2-3 pages discussion about how the game looks far better in motion, yadda yadda.

Oh, wow. Did not realize all you need is some flame.

 

[Nekrono]

You can clearly see the art direction shift from Diablo 2 to Diablo 3, now it's definitely leaning more towards WoW and less dark and gritty from the original Diablo(s), love it or hate it this is undeniable.

They are definitely trying to please their biggest fan base (and income).

 

[Kayo-kun]

Oh, wow. Did not realize all you need is some flame.

Nah. I just find it hilarious how you people find an answer to every criticism about the game.

Also, the barbarian armor Heavy posted in bigger/concept art style:

They look nothing alike.

 

[KrawlMan]

That's a freaking concept art

It might have been concept art, but if you look at the Paladin Full Plate armor, that was definitely their goal.

 

[Barack Lesnar]

Nah. I just find it hilarious how you people find an answer to every criticism about the game.

Also, the barbarian armor Heavy posted in bigger/concept art style:

They look nothing alike.

That's concept art. I posted an in-game model.

FYI if I still had it installed I could make the armor in this pic:

be purple/pink or bright blue or green. Leviathan made you green. Rattlecage made you purple. You can also gem socketable armor and change the color. D2 was very colorful.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

I'm loving you guys posting cartoony as fuck renders of D2 characters and proving our point for us.

 

[Instro]

Nah. I just find it hilarious how you people find an answer to every criticism about the game.

Also, the barbarian armor Heavy posted in bigger/concept art style:

http://www.planetdiablo.com/diablo2/gallery/wallpaper/official/barbsewer.jpg[IMG]

They look nothing alike.[/QUOTE]
Its the same basic style, large shoulders plates, etc etc. It's not like WoW invented that style or something.

 

[Nekrono]

Wouldn't it be awesome if Diablo's 3 knight-ish armors looked like the ones in Demon's Souls or have that sort of look, maybe not all of them but I would definitely like that.

 

[elrechazado]

Why are all of the supposedly die hard d2 fans posting nothing but concept art as backup, rather than, you know, what the game actually looked like.

 

[KrawlMan]

Its the same basic style, large shoulders plates, etc etc. It's not like WoW invented that style or something.

I guess maybe the gripe could be that it looks far more ornate than anything in D2. However, nobody has said that.

Wouldn't it be awesome if Diablo's 3 knight-ish armors looked like the ones in Demon's Souls or have that sort of look, maybe not all of them but I would definitely like that.

There doesn't appear to be any armor that fits that sort of a classification in Diablo 3 as there is no Paladin/Knight. No class really comes anywhere near that style.

 

[ZombieSupaStar]

Way to cherry-pick your screens, I can do that too:

GOTHIC

i like that style a lot more than Diablo 3? Don't know why people get all bent outta shape, Blizzard Irvine has almost as much in common with Diablo 1/2 as Bethesda did with Fallout 1 and 2.

 

[Nekrono]

Why are all of the supposedly die hard d2 fans posting nothing but concept art as backup, rather than, you know, what the game actually looked like.

There, I think they were successful translating it to the actual game, wouldn't you say so?

 

[Draft]

lol

Is this crazy world? That's the art style people are lamenting?

 

[Valnen]

I see: relatively big shoulders (they're like half as big as her head!), armor plates, and chain. If this was redrawn in HD I guarantee it would look a LOT like WoW armor.

 

[Kayo-kun]

Why are all of the supposedly die hard d2 fans posting nothing but concept art as backup, rather than, you know, what the game actually looked like.

Does it matter? Even if its art, it has the same style in the game, but is smaller/harder to see. I posted the big one to show the difference between the new D3 armor since the one Heavy posted was small.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

lol

Is this crazy world? That's the art style people are lamenting?

EXACTLY

 

[Nekrono]

[/img]http://www.planetdiablo.com/diablo2/gallery/wallpaper/official/barbsewer.jpg[/img]

lol

Is this crazy world? That's the art style people are lamenting?

Don't focus on the render since it's... well old. Imagine that with up to date graphics, it would look awesome and fit the Diablo dark fantasy style, I would expect it to be at least as Demon's Souls, that type of feel.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

Don't focus on the render since it's... well old. Imagine that with up to date graphics, it would look awesome and fit the Diablo dark fantasy style, I would expect it to be at least as Demon's Souls, that type of feel.

No. The exaggerated and caricatured elements of the design, like the stupidly large shoulders and chest, have nothing to do with technological limitations.

 

[Draft]

Honestly, some of you are sounding like abused wives.

D3 has looked like D3 since the start. It's never going to have the D1/D2 art style. It's always going to be this Gothic WoW hybrid thing. At this point, accept it, or move on.

 

[MrKnives]

You add more more detail to that barbarian and while in game you acquire a helmet and that's one genuine WoW character for you too.

I do agree the art direction is different but are we arguing here that it's different or that it's WoW? Because there is a difference there.

 

[bluestuff]

This such a dumb conversation considering how much of the game we have actually seen at this point, and how much of the graphics are likely unfinished/not final. I remember art and graphical passes several times through sc2 development, don't see how this would be any different.

 

[Valnen]

Don't focus on the render since it's... well old. Imagine that with up to date graphics, it would look awesome and fit the Diablo dark fantasy style, I would expect it to be at least as Demon's Souls, that type of feel.

That armor doesn't look all that different than WoW armor to me.

If you're expecting very detailed graphics ala the witcher 2, you're playing games from the wrong company.

 

[ZombieSupaStar]

about sums up Diablo 3's look imo

http://www.videogamer.com/pc/diablo_3/news/diablo_3_what_bill_roper_thinks.html

Blizzard caused an internet storm when it released the first screenshots and gameplay footage of the game in June last year. The game has a brighter, more cartoon-esque art style than previous iterations, similar to that of Blizzard's hugely successful Craft games, World of Warcraft and StarCraft.

Following the reveal fans launched an online petition calling for a "darker, more realistic" look. At the time of writing the petition has 59285 signatories.

Roper, ex-vice president of Blizzard North, the now defunct Blizzard satellite studio that was responsible for the Diablo games, told VideoGamer.com in an interview to be published later this week, that while he "didn't look at it (the released Diablo III gameplay footage) and go, oh my God that's horrible", "as a player it just didn't really ring with Diablo".

He said: "One of the things I always enjoyed about that separation between Blizzard and Blizzard North was that the Diablo games had a very distinct art style. They had different art directors, they had different people working on it, they had a different sensibility about them. Diablo was I think grittier and darker and a little more leaning towards the photo realistic. Whereas the Craft games that were being built down in Irvine were bigger and broader in scope, brighter colours, just different pallets and different presentation. Both of those were very strong from that visual standpoint, for example.

"But it makes complete sense to me where they went because they basically took the Diablo universe and then approached it from the Blizzard Ivine stance for the visuals. That's the way they approach things. It wasn't that I looked at it and went, oh my God that looks terrible. I was like, that looks like Blizzard. The guys in Irvine. That's what it looks like to me. Their interpretation of it."

It looks like Diablo made by the guys who made Warcraft and Starcraft because that's what it is, Diablo 1 & 2 was made by a now closed down offshoot studio.



I look forward to "Blizzards" first Diablo game!

:trollface

 

[Kayo-kun]

about sums up Diablo 3's look imo

http://www.videogamer.com/pc/diablo_3/news/diablo_3_what_bill_roper_thinks.html

No thats not true!

If you add HD and the helmet, they'd look like your regular WoW armors!

 

[Nekrono]

about sums up Diablo 3's look imo

http://www.videogamer.com/pc/diablo_3/news/diablo_3_what_bill_roper_thinks.html

Spot on pretty much.

I just wished they would have kept it the same and be more truthful to the original.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

Yes, let's all gather around and sit at the feet of the man who made Hellgate London while he mesmerises us with tales of when he was actually relevant.

 

[Artanisix]

GUYS THIS OBVIOUSLY DOES NOT LOOK LIKE HD DIABLO I AM VERY MAD FOR THIS WOW-RIPOFF ARTSTYLE

 

[Kayo-kun]

Yes, let's all gather around and sit at the feet of the man who made Hellgate London while he mesmerises us with tales of when he was actually relevant.

Seems like you've totally missed the point.

 

[MrKnives]

No thats not true!

If you add HD and the helmet, they'd look like your regular WoW armors!

One thing I've noticed about your arguing here is that you mostly make fun of what people post and make snarky remarks but when comes to actual arguing you leave it to Nekrono and fellow posters.

I still stand by the question that are we arguing about it being WoW or it not being D2?

 

[ZombieSupaStar]

Yes, let's all gather around and sit at the feet of the man who made Hellgate London while he mesmerises us with tales of when he was actually relevant.

And that changes who made what, how again? Is that you Samwise?

 

[Valnen]

http://i.imgur.com/culgA.png

GUYS THIS OBVIOUSLY DOES NOT LOOK LIKE HD DIABLO I AM VERY MAD FOR THIS WOW-RIPOFF ARTSTYLE

Holy crap, thanks. I'm saving that for anyone who ever complains about the art.

 

[Dennis]

Diablo of Warcaft 3 sure is graphically disappointing judging from every single image and videos released so far.

No doubt it will be a great game and sell untold millions but its hard not to feel that Blizzard could afford to offer some more grafix

 

[jim-jam bongs]

Oh to be Samwise, that dude has the sweetest job in the industry. My point is that it's been demonstrated by his output since he left Blizzard that Bill Roper isn't someone with a whole lot of credibility.

And fucking lol at the title change.

 

[ZombieSupaStar]

Holy crap, thanks. I'm saving that for anyone who ever complains about the art.

Well I could already argue the models used to render the sprites, realtime in 3d now would require a pretty mean rig to run, atheistic's aside. Putting Diablo 2 in 3d, detail for detail would price them out of the market they want. Wilson already said the light radius alone couldn't be done.

And fucking lol at the title change.

Blizzard: "Vivendi Universal fired the guys who made it, so deal with it!"

 

[Corky]

Diablo of Warcaft 3 sure is graphically disappointing judging from every single image and videos released so far.

No doubt it will be a great game and sell untold millions but its hard not to feel that Blizzard could afford to offer some more grafix

They want the game to be able to run on a toaster like wow/sc, they're not gonna cater to people who know what sgssaa is.

 

[Kayo-kun]

One thing I've noticed about your arguing here is that you mostly make fun of what people post and make snarky remarks but when comes to actual arguing you leave it to Nekrono and fellow posters.

I still stand by the question that are we arguing about it being WoW or it not being D2?

I am making fun of people? You must have missed the GOTHIC! posts jim-jam bongs made a couple of times. I just joked about the HD+helmet comment in my last post and about the D3 defence force before that, since I am done getting into long arguments. Look a few pages back before jumping into conclusions and judging me.

In my opinion, this game have been more influenced by WoW, than D2, especially in the art style. It isn't that strange if you look at the team behind D3. I just find it funny that some people dont accept the WoW influence and claim that its just like D2, but in HD.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

They want the game to be able to run on a toaster like wow/sc, they're not gonna cater to people who know what sgssaa is.

Dennis cares not for excuses, he wants his eye-candy, bless 'im.

 

[V_Arnold]

about sums up Diablo 3's look imo

http://www.videogamer.com/pc/diablo_3/news/diablo_3_what_bill_roper_thinks.html


It looks like Diablo made by the guys who made Warcraft and Starcraft because that's what it is, Diablo 1 & 2 was made by a now closed down offshoot studio.



I look forward to "Blizzards" first Diablo game!

:trollface

Yep. This is THE post of thread.
Winning.

Edit: For clarification, I really think this is the case, and it is nice to se someone sum it up waaay better than me