Yeah, but if you're a sorceress then you can put points into "warmth" IIRC and that will pretty much give you infinite mana.
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Yeah, but if you're a sorceress then you can put points into "warmth" IIRC and that will pretty much give you infinite mana.
Anoregon
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Yeah, Energy is pretty much just mana. Virtually every moden build ignores it due to just not needing it with appropriate gear, but since you can respec now it isn't the end of the world to pump it early if you find yourself needing to chug blue pots all the time.
aliencowz7
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It's max mana but your gear gives you enough to never run out later on so its a total waste of a stat point unless you are a energy shield sorc
What patch version of the game are you playing?
This is a silly argument. Blizzard could have made energy more substantial and/or increased the bonuses given by strength and dexterity if they wanted to make stats a more difficult choice.
Latest, I presume. The game (and expansion) is fresh downloaded off battle.net today.
Eh? Stats aren't difficult, you just have to initially work out their relationships to how your character performs. If I had more time before Diablo III, I wouldn't be asking. Instead, I'd just experiment.
aliencowz7
Member
Customizable base line stats simply never have worked very well in a diablo type game and likely never will. They introduce to many balance issues one way or the other and are better left to the wayside the way they have been.
The entire idea of these kinds of games is loot and increasing your stats through said loot, changing your base stats is entirely pointless and unneeded. They are better off putting the balance effort and development time towards other things.
The entire idea of these kinds of games is loot and increasing your stats through said loot, changing your base stats is entirely pointless and unneeded. They are better off putting the balance effort and development time towards other things.
Stats worked fine before the expansion because mana wasn't a bottomless pit then and the weapon damage bonus from strength and dexterity wasn't meaningless. This argument isn't accurate to the history of Diablo 2 and ignores the fact that selectable stats have worked in other action RPGs.
Suairyu, the version you get from the battle.net downloader isn't updated all the way; if you connect to battle.net you'll get the newest patch version.
EDIT: Come to think of it, stats were only broken in the original Diablo because you could dupe elixirs.
Alx
Member
Not really, it's all about looting and slaughtering hordes of monsters.
It's all about the loot. It's a pretty mindless clickfest, but it's all worthwhile when you see an orange item drop.
I really enjoy the storyline but the main thing is the addictive gameplay and loot you can get.
I've beening play Diablo and Diablo 2 for 15 years and they are some of the most addicting games around.
aliencowz7
Member
At no point during diablo 2s life span were the stat choices ever meaningful. Heavy str builds were always not as good as vit builds and energy was always at the very least the worst stat by far even at d2 launch.
I can't think of a single loot driven game like diablo that has ever had customizable baseline stats that made me feel it was better for having it. They have all been superfluous at best and could have been handled just fine with items.
At worst the choices are completely broken like in diablo 2 and the game would have been better off without them.
Story? Perhaps not... but the background lore and atmosphere certainly creates an immersive experience. It might be more accurate to say it has fantastic flavour.
When WW cost 25 mana and barbs on base energy would get <200 mana with gear at level 70, energy was important. Mana pots haven't always been buyable from vendors. High strength was both harder to get and more necessary due to the lower total stat pool (less levels are obtainable without extreme grinding) and the increased parity between weapon damage and actual damage. In fact, the least useful stat in Diablo 2 (1.00) was dexterity and that's because bows weren't very good and lightning fury crashed the game.
krameriffic
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Go play MedianXL mod for Diablo 2, extensively read the forum for builds, then come back and we'll talk.
The problem is that they gotta balance them right and offer a ton of variety in the skills, items and builds to support the viability of different skill and stat builds.
In fact, I wanna go further with this. I just jumped onto the MedianXL builds forum and picked a few threads at random.
I found one that was a full dexterity javazon build, a full strength build for a crossbow necro, and a full energy build for a poison sorceress. We got a full energy summoner necro, a strength/vitality shapeshifter druid, and a claw tornado oskill barbarian with a split between strength for damage, dexterity for attack rating and vitality for health.
The point is that in a complex, well made game that is about the gameplay and strategy of building characters with a lot of complex skills and systems, you can create real variety and viability to this kind of stuff.
I agree but who's not to say the system they have now that doesn't have where you can pick your own stats but just skills can't make just as a complex system. I don't care either way regarding picking stats or not but I am more than content with how Diablo 3 seems to handle it.
I am looking forward to the higher levels and difficulties of D3.
I can see where your coming from but they don't and probably will never, Is it a bad thing? I doubt it, is it preferable to be able to pick your own stats? I don't think so either but I am interested to dive into the game and see if it makes any difference.
God yes. The decision by Blizz is brilliant in design and execution, which I'm sure will be borne out by the time everyone has completed normal and are level ~30.
http://www.d3sanc.com/news/blue-posts-the-customizability-story-wasd-movement-waypoints-more/
http://www.d3sanc.com/blue-tracker/3197-diablo-iii--the-customizability-story/
Some great stuff there, esppecially the last post of the second link.
Gaylord Sweetwood
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As I said in the other thread (or was it this one), Gems have taken over stat growths. Look up the max amount of sockets you can have on gear and then times that by the attribute amount the highest gem gives you.
This above system allows for more customization of points then the old stat system. Want to make a Wizard who can dodge like a boss? All Dex Gems. Need your barbarian to stop getting raped by Diablo's fire? All Int gems. And whatever combination in-between.
The game isn't even out yet, play for a month. Get to 60 and give Inferno a serious go with these new systems before you start complaining.
This above system allows for more customization of points then the old stat system. Want to make a Wizard who can dodge like a boss? All Dex Gems. Need your barbarian to stop getting raped by Diablo's fire? All Int gems. And whatever combination in-between.
The game isn't even out yet, play for a month. Get to 60 and give Inferno a serious go with these new systems before you start complaining.
In 1.0 leech didn't suck and you still didn't need energy. a WW barb could just sit there with a pike or whatever (lances didn't drop) and never die or lose any mana at all. I played my barb the most pre-lod and you NEVER needed any energy, on any character I ever created.
Agreed. The story isnt really something that is all that amazing or original, but its the way they put everything together.
Should be a ton seeing how we've only seen a small piece of Act 1, which seems to be a slight reintro of Diablo 1's history, and even then that has seen constant adjustments/additions.
aliencowz7
Member
Comparing a mod to a full retail project isn't really fair. A mod has no time or monetary constraints. Fact of the matter is, I still can't think of a single retail game that did it well and I wont be surprised if there isn't a loot game in the future that does either.
Leech was expensive on weapons and usually came at the cost of damage. Also, when Blizzard implemented the penalties on leech for nm and hell the physical damage dealt by pikes was too low to make up the 25 mana cost unless you had dual leech rings, which meant lower resists.
aliencowz7
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Considering leech was on a ton of higher end gear it really wasn't hard to get enough to never run out of mana. Rare leech rings have been a barb staple for as long as i can even remember in d2
Houston3000
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I bought it off of Battle.net.
I just don't want to risk not having it immediately upon release... standing in line or waiting for shipping. A tangible game would be cool, especially with a collectors edition but not seeing any drawbacks.
I grabbed it last night (payday!), and downloaded the files. I even clicked the big 'install' button, only to be rebuked and told about stars falling and some silly lore thing (the game isn't unlocked yet).
Worked flawlessly.
CrowdChant
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Does anyone know if the pre-download unlocks at 12am PST, or does it release at 12am in your region?
I have to admit, a 200 page artbook sounds tempting but I'd rather be at my computer ready to play once it hit midnight instead of waiting in a long line or for a package.
Buying right now.
Hmm, good question. Either work for me though.
Buying right now.
Hmm, good question. Either work for me though.
helloresolven
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Bashiok made a post (or a tweet?) that it was going to be region-based. They are still working out the exact times.
You can, they've just renamed the stat customization: the jeweler.
I'm assuming this has been posted already but can people STOP SAYING D2 HAD MORE CUSTOMIZATION. Seriously. You're wrong - it's not even subjective, it's a fact. What Blizzard has done is absolutely mammoth and people will see that once they start playing the real game. Can't believe how much ignorant bitching is going on.
First of all, that list is completely disingenuous. Second of all, the number of viable builds and possible variations on those viable builds will determine whether or not there is more customization. Seeing as you know exactly as much about endgame as everyone else does here, the question remains an open one. The number of options are irrelevant if they're not balanced.
This is kind of off topic I guess, but to anyone who has prepurchased the game directly from the Blizzard's website and do they charge your card right then or the day the game comes out?
I kind of want a box copy, but honestly I don't want to go to Walmart and midnight and risk not being able to play it for a few hours when the servers launch. Can't get behind ya know?
I kind of want a box copy, but honestly I don't want to go to Walmart and midnight and risk not being able to play it for a few hours when the servers launch. Can't get behind ya know?
I hear mumble is a great option with relatively little lag compared to Vent and TS.
Yeah that bummed me out in the beta, though I kinda hoped it was just a beta thing.
Ah well.
Thanks. I just got a mumble server up and running. Even got the android app running first go round. Things are working a bit too easy.....
hitsugi
Member
I gotta say, stat point allocation (and their various attributes) will be something I'll miss.. but having to make multiple characters based on that, I won't.
High dex sorc was so fun D:
Psychotext
Member
Soo... I have played and "completed" the single player modes on both the previous Diablo games but I have absolutely no idea what the multiplayer is all about... especially not in this third game. Is there anywhere I can read about it? (Not massive detail, just an overview of it all)
Joe Shlabotnik
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It's up to four-player co-op. Quests are exactly the same. Monsters are more numerous and more difficult. Loot is automatically distributed to each player so no one can steal anyone else's. It is very fun.
That's about it!
Psychotext
Member
Sounds good. Thanks.
Not really big on competitive MP but I like a bit of co-op.
Not really big on competitive MP but I like a bit of co-op.
Just another comment born out of not knowing exactly how things work - you can still have your high dex Sorc, the only difference is that it's now dependant on gear. In fact, you can have a much better high dex Sorc/Wiz than you'd ever have in D2.
No. Shit. There are only a handful of 'viable' (as you say) builds in Hell in D2 - I would be absolutely shocked if there are only a few viable builds in D3. That is the difference. The amount of work that has gone into each skill in D3 is something that should be applauded. They've tried to make EVERY skill useful; obviously, this wont happen, but I think the attempt should be complimented, not criticised by people who don't even realise how the system works.
The fact is, this system is CLEARLY superior to the old D2 skill tree system and I can't believe anyone who says it isn't. The D2 skill tree system was not good and was not the reason I played. People will stop complaining once they play the actual game. Just really can't fathom how people can't see the advantages of this system. The only disadvantage is the lack of permanence but really; is that really a bad thing?
Takes a guy called Gaylord Sweetwood to bring some common sense to GAF..
FieryBalrog
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Oh, and yeah, you will customize your stats in D3. It will be done with gemcrafting on your gear, which will modify a large portion of your stats.
You always had near infinite mana in a sense because of infinite potions and infinite gold. It was just a gigantic annoyance to do it.
You always had near infinite mana in a sense because of infinite potions and infinite gold. It was just a gigantic annoyance to do it.
FieryBalrog
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The in game voice in both SC2 and WoW is garbage. I wouldn't look forward to it in D3, if they include it it'll be the same half-assed implementation. You're not going to get good voice chat outside of 3rd party solutions, but Skype is both free and pretty amazing if you don't want a permanent server set up.
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