Chuck Norris
Banned
Guns have triggers, not buttons. Its illogical to want the feeling of shooting a gun on a button
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DICE: BF4 on PS4 will likely use R2/L2 triggers to shoot
- Thread starter shinobi602
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Sometimes people want functionality over realism. IMO its faster to shoot with buttons. Two cents.
matrix-cat
Member
Why, when literally every other action in games is controlled with buttons? Jumping in real life isn't much like pressing a button, either. I don't need my controller to emulate the feeling of the actions my character is performing - that's why we have flight sticks, racing wheels, Wiimotes and that big plastic gun-shaped thing you can stick a PS Move into. I like shooting with the buttons. I have a PS3 and a 360, play plenty of shooters on both, and my preference for shooting is L1 and R1 over the 360's triggers.
Nevermind the people who are avid gun users completely laughed off that argument for triggers anyway. Generally whatever's most comfortable and convinent makes most sense, and the L/R triggers on Xbox were the only practical option and on 360 the bumpers were such crap they were better for secondary functions like toggling weapons/items/grenades.
Nizz
Member
I agree. There's practically like no travel to the L1/R1 buttons. As far as I can remember on Playstation consoles going back to the PS1 I remember using R1 to fire.
I don't know how much travel these new triggers on the DS4 have but they can't be faster than the L1/R1 buttons.
Boss Man
Member
I agree, but to be fair the trigger buttons would have probably never been 'triggers' in the first place if that's not what they were intended to do. So if you're going to have trigger buttons that suck at being triggers then you done goofed.
The L1/R1 made more sense on PS3, and it actually felt pretty dang good IMO. Although I think that wasn't by design. Hopefully this feels better, I'm optimistic.
So, just not me then.What do you do to "fix" it? I don't have this problem with CoD or other shooters.
Yeah, but it hasn't been confirmed, right? I'd assume that DICE would want that Share button to function as is since it will be used in lieu of Battlecorder...
Pressing the actual pad to spot sounds mighty cumbersome. I really hope DICE puts it in a good spot where it's easily reachable. People don't spot enough as it is!
Speaking of, let's hope this training level of sorts will teach people how to friggin' spot. If you're a sniper/Recon who doesn't spot and just hangs out at the base to kill, then I hate you and don't want you in BF4!
You can push down the pad more easily than a start/select button. If you watch footage of people using it, you'll see that it seems to require very little pressure to click. (Not like a MacBook trackpad.)
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
newsflash, you're using a controller, not a gun. if you want to shoot a gun, go to a gun range.
I don't like the feel of trigger when I play non shooter game with Xbox 360 controller. I just feel weird and uncomfortable.
OK, that Demize dude is wrong. WRONG. I've used a PS3 controller using L1R1 to shoot, and I've used a 360 controller using the triggers to shoot. Both on CoD. And I've found that with triggers, you tend to press down more, and then release and press down again for burst firing or semi auto fire. With the L1R1 buttons on the PS3 it's literally a tap, and easy to do. Ask any pro player and they'll tell you. And it's also why there are such things as SCUF controllers. They have a trigger stop, a screw so that the trigger doesn't depress the whole way and it's much easier to fire.
This is what I mean.
That screw in the trigger is everything.
And you guys who think you have to use a trigger because it replicates a feel of a gun. Go fudge yourselves. Why aren't you playing your shooters on Wii instead using this?!
This is what I mean.
That screw in the trigger is everything.
And you guys who think you have to use a trigger because it replicates a feel of a gun. Go fudge yourselves. Why aren't you playing your shooters on Wii instead using this?!
RoadHazard
Gold Member
That's fine, but that's still a long way from the super-clickyness of a mouse button.
lazybones18
Banned
This is the topic I wanted to find
http://gamingbolt.com/battlefield-4-dice-considering-keyboardmouse-support-for-the-ps4-version
http://gamingbolt.com/battlefield-4-dice-considering-keyboardmouse-support-for-the-ps4-version
baxter2231
Member
Apparently giving people the option to change buttons is to hard for them to do??? How lazy can devs get there is no end. Whats next? What so hard about it????
Patrickv27
Member
I prefer shooting with R1 and R2. Is it so hard to have customizable controls or at least alternate controls?
MochaBearX
Neo Member
Coming from the 360, Im completely okay with this. People should have the option to choose though.
Gintoki313
Banned
I'm guessing since the PS4 triggers are more concave now that the triggers will be much better to use to shoot.
The only game that really did it this gen was UT3 IIRC. In the end I don't think it'll happen, creating a division in the player base is risky in the long term and the majority want to have peace of mind or feel 'safe' using their controller.
Arkos
Nose how to spell and rede to
Press A to apple.
Im stoked about this (and everything else I've read concerning the DS4), but then again I'm a 360 FPS player.
AcceptableGhost
Member
Holy shit, did someone just type this out? More immersive? Are you serious?
Neuromancer
Member
Apparently it can lead to all kinds of bugs and makes QA much more difficult. I don't understand why but I'm not a programmer so I'll take their word for it.
I would like all games to have remappable controls. But if the above is true (don't remember what developer I heard it from now) I can understand why most don't.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
FF14 does it too.
Personally I don't see why its a big deal. Console gamers are already used to this type of thing with both racing and fighting games having alternative controllers designed for that game type in mind, so this KB+M distinction is kind of weird.
I think a nice compromise would be to just have it off for public games and have it as a toggle for private ones.
As for the triggers I don't have a real preference but seriously how hard is it to enable button mapping? Seems dumb to just not give the players the choice. If they want to shoot with R1 or R2 then let them, heck if they're really one of those crazy weirdos then let them shoot with X too.
baxter2231
Member
I remember there were alot of games on ps2 that you can map your controls they did it then what changed?
Neuromancer
Member
Probably the overall complexity of games in general.
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
I hope there is customizable buttons but at the same time, I'm not opposed to having L2/R2 as trigger buttons. I mean it is a trigger button, it would be a waste to improve something that no one wants to use. I think people should think of battlefield as a realistic game and trigger kind of keeps it that way. I would rather use L1/R1 for COD than L2/R2.
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
Yeah but battlefield is a realistic game. I think it's more exhilarating when pressure determines who's better, not who can rape the button the fastest. It one thing that spoils the whole realistic point of the game. I think it just makes the outcome fair. But if the triggers are digital opposed to analog, I wouldn't think of there being a huge disadvantage
And some of you talk about dev being lazy for not allowing remapable inputs... (I agree that it's stupid, not that it's because of laziness)
wonderdung
Member
I don't have BF3, but assuming it doesn't have control config options on consoles then this entails an entirely new set of UI which can take a bit of time. By a bit of time I mean a couple days. Pretty hilarious when they're releasing videos talking about their wind effects and network synced water.
"It's hard" here probably means "we don't want to". I don't know why anyone would say this kind of stuff. Customers will call you out.
Have you hold the PS4 controller? What if R1 and L1 are no good for shooting?
FantasyFreak07
Member
If the triggers are as great as all the impressions make them out to be then I'm alright with this but an option would be nice for those who prefer R1/ L1 to shoot.
AcceptableGhost
Member
fuck that shit son dice rolls direct access only
I just think that precise aiming and timing should take precedence over pulling back a trigger.
Battlefield has a ways to go in the realism department before I think it's worth sacrificing responsiveness for exhilaration. It's still a game, and to me, the actions of my character on screen happening when I want them to is more important than lengthening the process of those actions happening for the sake of realism.
The Faceless Master
Member
its like none of them played TimeSplitters
Lol wow. If they're considering M/KB, why would customizable controls be so much of a hassle? Their response screams laziness.