XANDER CAGE
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Food for thought:
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Did women doom themselves by being technologically averse?
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Fantastic.
TheRagnCajun
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Oh, ok.
Steve Youngblood
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Do you think that there's something about biology that just inherently makes one gender more suited than the other in regards to this topic?
InsaneZero
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Nothing is stopping anyone from learning new skills and knowledge that they'll need for their careers, and not many would pass up on a desired job opportunity simply because it required that they learn something new.
Necessity drives adoption, and adoption drives acceptance. If people need technical know-how, then they'll learn it. And as more people start to have that knowledge, then there's less cultural resistance to it simply because it's more commonplace.
Simple as that, really.
Necessity drives adoption, and adoption drives acceptance. If people need technical know-how, then they'll learn it. And as more people start to have that knowledge, then there's less cultural resistance to it simply because it's more commonplace.
Simple as that, really.
Ah yes, soon machinery will be teaching kids and putting bandages on the people in need (see people getting older or just the fatter/unhealthier lifestyle on the rise). Giving them attention and care.. That will work out just great..
If you really want to generalize like you are doing in the OP. Honestly i´d rather have nerds working on technology and sociable people in the service and caring field. Nothing wrong with that.. You need both. Perhaps there are differences between males and females, actually i´m quite sure there are. But as long people are able choose to do what they want and are best at it, what is your problem?
If you really want to generalize like you are doing in the OP. Honestly i´d rather have nerds working on technology and sociable people in the service and caring field. Nothing wrong with that.. You need both. Perhaps there are differences between males and females, actually i´m quite sure there are. But as long people are able choose to do what they want and are best at it, what is your problem?
RandomDancing
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Ahh shit. Well I have been feeling off lately - I thought it was just a cold but I guess it's that impending doom.
Complex Shadow
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I am fine with this. But 5000 is to little.
Femmeworth
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Nah, we doomed ourselves by choosing to not vote for centuries. 
Women just shot themselves in the foot.
I don't know how much the rest of you know about girl culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like being a man where you can become successful by just knowing how to format your computer. If you don't keep up with technology as a girl, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.
What this means is women, after reading this thread, are not going to be taken seriously in any NeoGAF threads again, nor will they have posting priviledges. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but girl GAF has alienated an entire fourm with their Amish ways.
Women, publicly apologize and account suicide or you can kiss your GAF membership goodbye.
I don't know how much the rest of you know about girl culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like being a man where you can become successful by just knowing how to format your computer. If you don't keep up with technology as a girl, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.
What this means is women, after reading this thread, are not going to be taken seriously in any NeoGAF threads again, nor will they have posting priviledges. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but girl GAF has alienated an entire fourm with their Amish ways.
Women, publicly apologize and account suicide or you can kiss your GAF membership goodbye.
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dolls are pretty dumb, but so is this thread.
cutmeamango
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I grew up with GI Joe's and Power Rangers dolls toys. No wonder I'm no engineer. :/
Lasthope106
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I took a class called the Psychology of Women in college in hopes of finding an insight into why women aren't going into STEM and why men enjoy playing with technology more (Just consider the main demographic of websites like neogaf or for that matter any internet fourm).
The best answer I could come up with is that women start to focus more on romantic relationships during late adolescence and early adulthood. Once women marry, and have children careers like those in tech that require a lot of hours don't match what women have in mind. That is not surprising at all. Look at many entrepreneurs that have founded tech companies. The people could not have done it if they had been the main caregivers of children.
The best answer I could come up with is that women start to focus more on romantic relationships during late adolescence and early adulthood. Once women marry, and have children careers like those in tech that require a lot of hours don't match what women have in mind. That is not surprising at all. Look at many entrepreneurs that have founded tech companies. The people could not have done it if they had been the main caregivers of children.
I don't know, I've seen pictures linked on here of bedrooms that would constitute enough in fines at the $5000 rate to pay down half the US federal debt.
More suited? No idea. But Boys and Girls tend to be interested in different things. Gender's complicated, and it's not just a "boys do that and girls do this just because society told them to" thing.
Men can put off having kids pretty much indefinitely. Women cannot. Creates hugely different incentives.
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there's a huge thread where people here take pictures of all their dolls.
Is that really your theory as to why women don't seem to enjoy posting on internet forums? That they don't like technology?
Steve Youngblood
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But do you think it doesn't behoove us to investigate root causes a little more deeply than simply conceding "Eh, boys and girls are different. What are you going to do?"
out0v0rder
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but why do boys like my little pony more than girls?
Move along people, nothing to see here. Peeps are already talking about this and it's handled:
Strategies To Help Women Thrive In STEM Careers
Strategies To Help Women Thrive In STEM Careers
Not Sora though. Sakurai is immortal.
I love how the brown guy is just behind the pc doing his thingFood for thought:
Man, you must know the wrong women in that age range.
Then again, I'm in Seattle, living the dream of women in tech.
I do think it's changing though. I see more and more girls like me interested in tech in general which is a positive change. Just a couple months ago I was in a UIL state competition for Computer Applications ( using word excel and access to make documents) it's not the hardest thing but it does include forumlas you have to use for excel and access and involves alot of problem solving using the computer. But when I got there I was surprised at how many girls were there and were setting up there computers and talking about everything. I think it's just going to take more time for everything to become more popular.
Sure. But saying "Oh, this should be 50/50 so we have Equality!" is just silly.
To answer the OP, women are not doomed and they can adapt. Also I see jobs where while computers are used, being particularly technologically capable beyond what most persons are or beyond what someone can be trained to do in that job will not be that much important or there will still be enough professions with many women in those jobs while the ones that are needed to be very particularly capable with computers will be more taken by men. Just because a company needs someone very capable with computers it doesn't mean that all its employee's would be so. Assuming that this changes, if society becomes so much focused on technological knowledge that they become so necessary then women will become much more knowledgeable about them.
That we have different interests, we are different is a reality but both men and women are intelligent and can recognize self interest and can adapt.
That we have different interests, we are different is a reality but both men and women are intelligent and can recognize self interest and can adapt.
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those women. they're so crazy!
Steve Youngblood
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I don't think that there's any assertion that we should artificially make these fields and programs have a perfect one woman for every man ratio to make it fair. However, conceding that point doesn't mean that it's not worth investigating what barriers there are for entry when it comes to attracting women into these fields.
And simply surmising that men and women are different doesn't really help us arrive at any meaningful conclusion.
..I hope i won´t get banned for this, but this is the second time i found the same person generalizing women (and apparently their upbringing) in a negative way imho.
First they can not stand up for themselves (something to do with a c-word being worse then a d-word, while both words are catogorized as vulgair). And now women are not given the same opportunities when it comes to learning or studying (with stem jobs in mind).. Where does all this come from?
First they can not stand up for themselves (something to do with a c-word being worse then a d-word, while both words are catogorized as vulgair). And now women are not given the same opportunities when it comes to learning or studying (with stem jobs in mind).. Where does all this come from?
Yeah, but due to the overbearing social influences of the cultures kids grow up in, it's really hard to distinguish nature from nurture. If you make any assumptions, they should be based on a null hypothesis of equality rather than of society's current standards having a basis on biology.
sans_pants
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so like 20-30 years then?
Dark Octave
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Pretty much. Not my little girl...Food for thought:
HarryHengst
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Ah, i was wondering when 'biotruths' would show up.
ElectricBlue187
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How are they not given the same opportunities? Public school be co-ed. I think women just haven't been interested in STEM jobs, I don't really see this as a huge crisis. People do what they like.
If you think we're going to have perfect sex robots in twenty years, either you're an adherent to an explicit learning model of artificial intelligence which is fundamentally flawed to the extent that recent neural net advances have heavily deprecated it, or you're doing it wrong.
Mean Girls actually has a specific scene about why girl math scores tend to drop off a cliff shortly after puberty, though they keep pace up til then. Based on my experience of NeoGAF, I suspect that this might be the best way to communicate the idea, because Lindsay Lohan is also involved.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIMSC-RWvF8
Prophet Steve
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You think there is no gender discrimination?
ElectricBlue187
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In public school? You think girls are being kept out of honors math/science classes? That's wasn't how it was at my high school
HarryHengst
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Society is filled from top to bottom with ideas that girls should stay away from difficult things like 'math' and 'science' and should just shut up and be a nurse or teacher or, even better, a housewife.
sans_pants
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i didnt know my sex robot needed to be an intelligent ai
ElectricBlue187
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Such....as...
ehhh, there are plenty of males that do the exact same thing. Seriously. Go ask the average guy on the street some STEM question or something PC related and they'll look at you like you're a fucking alien.
Maybe I was just lucky, but all of the STEM classes I had were filled with a decent amount of females(~30%) and I had quite a few female profs in those subjects.
Either way, things will eventually equalize and this will become a non-issue.
Food for thought:
Where is the red button?!
Prophet Steve
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It's not deliberate attempts of discrimination, but prejudices by society that girls are bad at tech, math, science at that type of stuff are not helping motivating people into these areas.
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