FSR is not an RDNA 2 feature. It can also be run on RDNA 1, GCN, NVIDIA, Intel GPUs. Heck I'd even argue that sampler feedback "and all" are not RDNA 2 features as they appeared on NVIDIA's Turing architecture two-years before they did on RDNA 2. And now they're present even in Intel dGPUs.
Until these features are actually used it makes no sense to talk about the XSS holding anything back. They haven't even maximized the console yet.
Look at the video. DF's opinion is based on what developers have told them.
I do agree that we need to wait a bit more, especially after cross-gen is fully left behind, to make a final conclusion. Having said that, Series S hasn't fared that well so far and has failed to live up to the initial expectations set by Microsoft, so the signs aren't that good.
Annihilate is the wrong word here. In games like Death Stranding (and some others), PS5 matches 3070 fairly well if I recall DF's video correctly.
Yeah comparing a discrete GPU which aren't power constrained, to a completely different vendor and architecture on a console's APU doesn't make much sense. That Ampere GPU uses up more power than the whole of Series X or PS5 consoles and 3070 has a way larger die size. Performance wise that GPU should easily outperform consoles GPU's.. if i had to guess probably by around 25%, if not more (if we say console GPU's are ~ a RX 6650XT/6700 or 2080/Super in rasterization). The lower the VRAM and bandwidth the more the likey its going to run into issues if going past memory budget at higher resolutions and/or loading higher quality assets.
The demo seems to drop PFS in cross roads at high speed seamingly when streaming in new assets so it's not about scene complexity.
In fairness, the UE5 demo can run on PC readily + not even be remotely taxing for PC SSD's slower than what the PS5 is packing.
Oh, but the feedback from devs stating issues with Series S' memory limitations is very real, let's not ignore that.
Thank you brother. Nothing but a fact here.
If it can run cyberpunk2077, then the console has no issue.
That is true. It's why MS is working on optimization.
Cyberpunk 2077 only gets memory intensive when ray-tracing is enabled, which is likely why it doesn't have that mode on Series S. Without RT it's very easy on the mem.
Then, the devs don't need to do rts on xss.
4A Games (Metro devs) moved their engine's entire lighting scheme to ray-tracing now. All of their future games will have RT lighting just like in Metro Exodus Enhanced (which already runs at 512p), so Series S' limited mem is going to be a challenge for them.
It would be fun to see them sell an RT-only game on PC. I'd definitely grab some popcorns for that imminent trainwreck.
Also......when will companies stop using covid as an excuse to cover for all of this?
The difference is that that's dedicated VRAM. The 10GB in Series S and 16GB in PS5/XSX are used for both VRAM and system RAM.
As I mentioned in my other comments, Rocksteady and ID Software devs have also publicly complained about Series S.
All while Ragnarok isnt a PS5 exclusive....
Exactly, it's cross gen. And it wasn't the Series S that kept it from being exclusive.
console OS can still use around 2GB and I'm not referring to just OS anyway. Games use the separate RAM too on PC, not just the VRAM. 8GB of dedicated VRAM would actually be good for most games for target console res. You can still have a requirement for say 8GB or more of regular RAM too. So a 3070 has 8GB of dedicated VRAM for GPU related tasks AND the PC still has regular RAM in addition to it for other tasks (OS being one of them).
I have not heard any of those developers using the features that save RAM on the XSS. DF mentioned no sampler feedback streaming being used and how it handles RAM usage. Again until the system features are fully utilized complaining about an unused remedy seems silly. It's also silly to ignore the developers who aren't having issues. Perhaps struggling devs could pick up the phone and talk to a team who has some insight. The solutions are real too but are bring ignored.
Ray-Tracing is also a reasonable visual feature that can be dropped on a lowered powered console. As long as characters, AI, and level design aren't compromised lower graphics settings are fine. It's a budget console after all. Hell ray-tracing has been dropped on PS5 and XSX too. I guess that's XSS fault as well. The silliness is rampant.
This makes zero sense lol. The reality is that the pro "segregation" is an enhanced version while they're still aiming for the base. And it made perfect sense last gen to have those consoles with the rise in the 4K market, I don't see that happening this time but honestly if there is one I wouldn't mind a PS5 pro, playing ragnarok @ 4k/60 in the visuals department would kick ass.
You can play it at dynamic 4k 60fps.... it looks 99% the same.
Gaming in general is a cash grab, I have zero qualms about my purchase of a PS4 Pro last gen.
They were trying to expand their market share and by all accounts they succeeded. They had consoles on the shelves when the more expensive systems had manufacturing issues and there is an inexpensive device kids and casuals can grab. It provides an additional vector into the Xbox ecosystem. Another XSX would not have done that.
Then be ready for console model that follows smartphone model.
Yes.
It certainly triggers the fanboys that's for sure!
Which ones? I really don’t understand which ones are supposed to get triggered?
It doesn't matter!
Misrepresenting my statements. Not sure how to respond to such a ridiculous question. I addressed this in my first response.
what?
Do you have some form of issue with reading comprehension or are you purposefully misrepresenting everything I have said? I find it ridiculous that was the conclusion you came to after reading my statement.Are you trying to say that developers are going to overcome the short comings and put out the best looking games like meaty PS3 did that gen
Impressively, you have managed to miss the point again.
?? So when MS released more powerful hardware last gen, you found it suspicious that they reported generally better performance and/or better picture IQ? That's your basis to the claims of some sort of malicious intent? Lololol Again, this is referred to as confirmation bias. Don't feel bad, we all have it.
What about those that has said the opposite? Like those ones from The Coalition, Vintage Modern Gaming guy and some others? The problem with citing devs opinions is that only those negative are the ones pointed out all the time, and they're always the same, if there was any widespread issue, you would have quotations to pick as you flavor of the day each day
On the contrary, when you present nothing but strawmen arguments as a basis of discourse, there is nothing to respond to. Every single question you asked contained a false premise at its root. This is a common tactic when someone really doesn't have any meaningful insight, and attempts to pigeon hole someone by misrepresenting what they original said, and then attacking this new made up argument.