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Digital Foundry: Diablo 4 PC - A Great Game but VRAM/Textures Are Problematic
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I think the wording is pretty clear, he's suggesting that with PS5 and SX at their launch parameters, there's still a yawning chasm (despite whatever amount of RAM is freed for Series S after that update the article is for).
In either case, he's quoting the launch metrics, the OS footprints get smaller over time so we don't know what the current metrics are unless a dev shares them.
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FearlessBelgian
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Sadly its true but i can't game without DLSS, Dlss is way better than FSR and im playing in 4K, i need it for a beautiful and smooth experience...
PlayofSparta
Member
My GPU is from AMD and it runs fine in 4k.
So... whatever?
So... whatever?
Zathalus
Member
Surely you can understand that guessing what a consoles specs are before a console is even revealed vs getting information directly from developers are two different things.
Loxus
Member
Where did they said they got that from developers?
Zathalus
Member
Where else would he get it? Microsoft told them about the 13.5GB directly but no public info was released about the 12.5GB for the PS5.
Of course you are going to state he made it up, but lying about something that thousands of people can easily call him out seems like it would be a bad move for creditability something DF seems quite keen on preserving.
DF have good relationships with a number of developers so getting the information would have been easy for them. Heck it was DF back in the day that made quite a bit of info about the low-level APIs of the PS4 common knowledge with various developer interviews.
Loxus
Member
Read the article again.
This article came out, 8 Aug 2022.
Look at the bolded text.
As a counterpoint, I suggest that with 12.5GB of RAM available to developers on PS5 (at least at launch - and it's 13.5GB on Xbox) there's still a yawning chasm between Series S and other systems.
Why are they now telling us this if they knew this from launch? This is a suggestion and pure guess work from Digital Foundry.
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drotahorror
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Wonder why they wanted to match PS5's texture settings but not PS5's resolution? Curious about how much VRAM PC uses when playing at PS5's res.
Bry0
Member
what did they get wrong about it?
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
And if the textures can be the same quality.
ChiefDada
Gold Member
Yes. So do subtitles. That doesn't change the fact that there are levels to this shit and it's all relative. If you want to argue that modern game high res textures are more memory/less compute bound and vice versa for resolution and SSAO then let's just agree to disagree here. No big deal.
JimboJones
Member
The 2080 shows vram related issues at 4k dlss performance which is a 1080p base resolution.
If it's having issues at that res increasing it will only make it worse.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Texture quality is one of them? Because in the video the part about textures it's running at higher resolution + SSAO and assuming every setting match the maximum of PC.
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Knightime_X
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At work, can't watch video.
Is the difference from ultra and high night and day?
Or can you even tell?
Is the difference from ultra and high night and day?
Or can you even tell?
DryvBy
Member
Is this a midget hand or Megan Fox's dad with that short thumb?
Guilty_AI
Gold Member
You can notice a difference if you're specifically looking for it.
Either way, seems the game has a memory leak issue based on other reports. I saw some benchmarks where you could clearly see the vram slowly creeping up from 9gb all the way to 12.
sendit
Banned
brb, beat saber in VR session
sendit
Banned
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Zathalus
Member
Well there we go, around 12GB going up and down as needed. 12.5GB at launch doesn't seem inaccurate at all. Heck that was at launch so 13GB-13.5GB may even be possible these days if they managed to reduce the OS footprint.
Either way the point that the entire 16GB is not available is quite correct.
JimboJones
Member
I would assume so, the part I was talking about is at 5:29 it mentions in the top left 4k dlss performance at ultra settings.
OLED_Gamer
Member
At 4k, FSR 2 works really well. I took FSR+ more vram over DLSS and have no regrets (7900xt).
01011001
Banned
yes, but this is a top down game, how is it hoging memory that fast with a very limited viewpoint like that? it's kinda weird.
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Bry0
Member
I don't know I didn't make the game, but from the perf data that's what seems to be happening. Maybe there's an issue with memory allocation or something.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
If it was 2.5 like the xbox series x, sony wouldnt have kept it a secret. its that simple.
Loxus
Member
Good to see Matt is still around to stop the misinformation.
Digital Foundry is so funny. "At launch"
These guys know full well it isn't 3.5GB for OS anymore. If it was even that to begin with.
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Zathalus
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What? He just said he is mostly correct, just pointing out the utilisation is flexible. If it was 14GB available he would have damn well pointed that out.
Nocturno999
Member
I have a 2070 Super with 8 GB of VRAM and the only issue was online rubber banding.
Loxus
Member
So what was the one thing he was wrong about that stopped him from being 100% correct?
Look at this.
I "think" we heard it from developer direction...
Anyways, it doesn't matter. 3.5GB for the OS was at launch DF said. So it's no longer that in 2023.
Zathalus
Member
Matt pointed out that the memory utilisation wasn't fully static, not that Alex was widely off base with the 12GB figure. Mostly correct means you are correct but here is some further nuance to clarify your point. Not that the figure you quoted is completely false, otherwise he would just have said that he is wrong.
RobRSG
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"Mostly right" must mean something to you.
nah he is just being nice, before educating him on stuff he clearly doesnt know
Zathalus
Member
Matt has never shied away from pointing out when things are incorrect. Nor has any of the DF guys claimed they are absolutely infallible.
Dr. Acid Avatar
Member
I fucking love this game on the deck. I still need to fiddle with the best settings but so far it's been a great experience on the deck.
Loxus
Member
Like I said, it doesn't matter.
Look at the PS5 performance. It's performing better than everyone thought.
Performs almost or about the same as another Console that has 13.5GB available for games and at times, even better. Like it has 14GB available for games.
I guess Mark Cerny was right after all.
"On PlayStation 5 though, the SSD is very close to being like more RAM.
Typically it's fast enough that when you realize you need a piece of data, you can just load it from the SSD and use it. There's no need to have lots of data parked in system memory waiting to potentially be used.
A different way of saying that, is that most of Ram is working on the game's behalf.
This is one of the reasons that 16GB of GDDR6 for PlayStation. The presence of the SSD reduces the need for a massive intergenerational increase in size."
JimboJones
Member
This issue has nothing to do with the SSD.
Nocturno999
Member
You make it sound like DF is being unfair with Sony. Nice joke.
Zathalus
Member
Alright now you are talking about something completely unrelated and has little impact on anything to do with Diablo.Like I said, it doesn't matter.
Look at the PS5 performance. It's performing better than everyone thought.
Performs almost or about the same as another Console that has 13.5GB available for games and at times, even better. Like it has 14GB available for games.
I guess Mark Cerny was right after all.
"On PlayStation 5 though, the SSD is very close to being like more RAM.
Typically it's fast enough that when you realize you need a piece of data, you can just load it from the SSD and use it. There's no need to have lots of data parked in system memory waiting to potentially be used.
A different way of saying that, is that most of Ram is working on the game's behalf.
This is one of the reasons that 16GB of GDDR6 for PlayStation. The presence of the SSD reduces the need for a massive intergenerational increase in size."
Guilty_AI
Gold Member
Don't mind him, he loves that picture, he posts it in every thread he can
Loxus
Member
This is from the OP.
Remarkably, only a 16GB GPU can match the visual quality of the PlayStation 5 version.
How do you think that came to be on a supposedly 12 GB console?
Mark Cerny designed the PS4 & PS5 chip and created many patents.
What have you done gaming related that trumps Mark Cerny's expertise?
01011001
Banned
you must have gotten used to it. must happen to you a lot
Guilty_AI
Gold Member
Someone didn't do his homework it seems. Or bothered watching the video. Or maybe watched but has the interpretation capability of a gold fish.
Is he your uncle or something mate
GymWolf
Gold Member
In summary, devs should get their heads out of their asses and fix a game that looks worse than a ps4 launch game and should run on a potato.
Zathalus
Member
Better optimisation? Memory leak on the PC version?
Considering the load times it seems rather suspect that any advanced I/O is going on for either console, as NXGamer pointed out as well.
I remember this exact song and dance about The Last of Us Part 1, now 8GB is no longer a problem and it is Steam Deck Verified.
GHG
Member
This is strange to see because personally I'm not experiencing any issues across any of my machines other than ones related to the networks/servers.
The 5800x3d/4090 combo runs like butter as expected but then where things diverge for me from DF's findings is that my laptop (5800h/3070 mobile) also runs it very well with settings maxed out at 4k with DLSS quality.
No issues with the steam deck either on medium/high settings with a 40fps lock. I have cryoutilities set up but not 4GB VRAM (it's still on the default 1GB allocation).
The 5800x3d/4090 combo runs like butter as expected but then where things diverge for me from DF's findings is that my laptop (5800h/3070 mobile) also runs it very well with settings maxed out at 4k with DLSS quality.
No issues with the steam deck either on medium/high settings with a 40fps lock. I have cryoutilities set up but not 4GB VRAM (it's still on the default 1GB allocation).
OLED_Gamer
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