PC >>>>> PS4 >> XB1
There is a vaseline like filter thats simply unbearable on the XB1 and the PC version has higher detail over the PS4.
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There is a vaseline like filter thats simply unbearable on the XB1 and the PC version has higher detail over the PS4.
WonderCheese
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Yep. It's more sad than funny, for sure, but it's best to laugh it off anyways.
Vaseline filter? That's just the lower resolution making things blurry.
Have you even watched the video?
JumpJeff84
Member
I've played about 15 hours on PS4 and I'm very happy with the way the game looks and plays so far
So you really did not read his post, right?
Take 8k vs 4k and do the same, you'll get his point.
Yes.
Nah, as I mentioned, the foliage arrangement is just different on consoles. The LOD distance is great but it's placed very differently. On PC it's more dense (as you'd expect) but dialing down the quality setting simply reduces the radius in which it is drawn leading to more pop-in.
Have you? The PS4 is dropping pretty regularly (more than 1 fps) during most of the battles in that video.
Head.spawn
Junior Member
Who are these Xbox people you keep referring to?
Disappointing showing for PS4
Having played the PS4 version for about 20 hours, its an amazingly beautiful game with perfectly solid performance
I agree with your conclusion, problem imo is you didn't put enough emphasis about the pretty large gap between 900P and 1080P, at least on LCD.
You made it sound like "yea this version looks slightly better and this one runs a little better" when in reality the disparity between the IQ (900P vs 1080P) is much larger than the performence disparity of some very minor and not too often drops vs constant 30, technically the IQ disparity will be much more noticeable and big for most people when owning LCD displays against some minor drops.
You can see for yourself that almost all PS4 users didn't notice drops at all, maybe one minor every couple of hours but i bet you they would notice non native resolution in a minute.
Have you?
Actually I have yes, a few times. And unless I have watched the wrong one, what I see is starting with a huge graphical effect that takes most the screen during a fight and a fps that goes from 28 to 30 with one or two drops at 25/26. From there most of the video is at 30fps, with a few drops at 29 (sometimes 28) fps, and shooting right back up to a weird 31 fps.
So I stand by my comment.
Stallion Free
Cock Encumbered
That was just a sarcastic reference to earlier when people ignored your explanation about the texture differences and used "loading" to try to explain it.
That CPU affecting performance of multiplats again :hurr
Of course, the few frame drops are negligible for a 40% difference in pixel clarity, by and large average console performance, but it only goes to show that its not as one sided as once assumed, and that CPU clock is much the reason for it
Of course, the few frame drops are negligible for a 40% difference in pixel clarity, by and large average console performance, but it only goes to show that its not as one sided as once assumed, and that CPU clock is much the reason for it
You don't think Crash Bandicoot was good looking? Crash Bandicoot looked seriously impressive when it launched. Crash 3 looked great. Crash Team Racing looked spectacular.
Cyborg
Member
Good luck
"You didnt emphasize the points that are most important to me in a way that makes it sound like it should be as important for everybody else."
C'mon, read what the guy is saying. You can make your own decision on what matters most to you and how major or minor something is to you.
Sidestepping his question, nice.
AgentP
Thinks mods influence posters politics. Promoted to QAnon Editor.
Confirmation bias confirmed. If it was the other way around you would just say "fiends and controller".
I just had to address this one.
The appearance of 31 fps is NOT A GOOD THING. It means there is a consistency problem with the frame-rate. At 30 fps each frame should persist for 33ms but an occasional 16.7ms frame actually leads to microstutter. Now, in this case, it's rare enough that it's not an issue but it's very much a frame pacing bug when you get right down to it.
Any game holding a consistent 30 fps is going to be able to render above that level and both versions are likely doing just that. The developers locked it down to 30 fps in order to avoid greater inconsistencies.
So, no, it does not mean the PS4 is holding a higher frame-rate over Xbox One. You should read up on this stuff since I'm not so sure you understand the numbers and what they really mean.
With this thread you just never know.
I don't think jayu26 was claiming that ND games weren't impressive, rather that your claim that the old ones were all 30fps is wrong.
thelastword
Banned
I know exactly what he said, apparently you got confused not me. The way this article was worded suggests a bigger disparity than is present in sample. I judge based on the sample presented, I don't take anyone's word for it. It seems many people are viewing these df articles as opinion pieces, they're not, they're conclusions based on facts and evidence.
Also, the article tries to downplay the higher quality tessellation on the PS4 version.
Eurogamer said:
Why the pussyfooting with words, is it higher quality on PS4 or not, I very much doubt that tessellation presets would be dynamically implemented, especially since the game does not look as if it got much optimization as opposed to the xbone version.
His point is a subjective analysis that attempts to override an objective, statistical conclusion. I think that has been the point all this time.
Why even ask? Of course it is!
Dark how are the weather effects on the XBO version? On your videos the rain and fog look noticeably lighter. Is it dynamic so you couldn't get them to line up exactly or is there a difference?
Of course I've seen it. Not trying to avoid anything c'mon. Its clear its regularly more than just a 1fps drop.
Absolutely fucking embarrassing. Probably different writers, but editorial consistency is obviously paramount.
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Not everyone are informed about the pretty obvious gap between native resolution and 900p upscaled, He is the expert and he should emphasize that, not make it sound like they are on equal footing more or less, IQ disparity is much larger and noticeable than performence in this case.
Yea, if you don't care about IQ at all and framerate is above all, go for the ONE, but if you do care about IQ to some degree, you should know the gap there is much bigger than the performence.
You would think the editor would be more consistent but most of it is that Dark prefers framerate over resolution. It's not some shady conspiracy.
This shit is ridiculous.
Some people are simply on a mission here, trying to use any desperate little argument possible to discredit the article because its not saying exactly what they want it to say.
Saying "suggesting" is hardly "pussyfooting" when you're making general claims about internal settings based on the displacement height of a few splotches of rocks.
Seriously.
And your basis for this claim? That the XB1 version runs more smoothly?
That doesn't mean it got more optimization work.
I just had to address this one.
The appearance of 31 fps is NOT A GOOD THING. It means there is a consistency problem with the frame-rate. At 30 fps each frame should persist for 33ms but an occasional 16.7ms frame actually leads to microstutter. Now, in this case, it's rare enough that it's not an issue but it's very much a frame pacing bug when you get right down to it.
Any game holding a consistent 30 fps is going to be able to render above that level and both versions are likely doing just that. The developers locked it down to 30 fps in order to avoid greater inconsistencies.
So, no, it does not mean the PS4 is holding a higher frame-rate over Xbox One. You should read up on this stuff since I'm not so sure you understand the numbers and what they really mean.
With this thread you just never know.
God I hope for a patch now. This strange inconsistence not like at all, seem buggy.
manzo
Member
Jeesus christ, the comparison battles are getting insane. dark10x being accused of platform bias, good grief.
It's like some people expect Xbone versions to run at a lower res, framerate and effects than PS4 and cry foul when the Xbone actually outperforms.
I don't understand why people accuse dark10x of bias when they have the video material in front of them. PS4 has better IQ, Xbone has a more stable framerate. No matter how you word it, those are the facts.
I love the technical discussions but god damn people need to take off their tinfoil hats and stop accusing the DF folk of bias.
It's like some people expect Xbone versions to run at a lower res, framerate and effects than PS4 and cry foul when the Xbone actually outperforms.
I don't understand why people accuse dark10x of bias when they have the video material in front of them. PS4 has better IQ, Xbone has a more stable framerate. No matter how you word it, those are the facts.
I love the technical discussions but god damn people need to take off their tinfoil hats and stop accusing the DF folk of bias.
This post is why I don't agree with DF's wording in their articles and why sometimes it comes across as almost intentional.
Well to be fair he is not discussing the res difference as much as others but as Durante said it's because he greatly prefers consistent frame rate. If anything he just doesn't focus on it as much as some of their other writers.
Handy Fake
Member
Don Corleone has a point.
From the videos I really can't tell but some people do and it is good to show it. Would love to see if Bioware goes back and works on it a bit since the ps4 also has a frame pacing issue as well.
Well said
About 5 hours in on the ps4 and game looks and plays great,I haven't noticed any major drops in frames
Yea, this has been explained to you plenty by now. He did not say or imply they are equal, just that each do have certain factual advantages and that someone can make their own mind up about how they weigh these factors. Its not difficult to understand.
Do people really need to be told how they should feel and what should be important to them?
And yet it's not. Unless you mean that the at time 2fps difference (which is the most it is at for 90% of the video) is the deal breaker?
Still saying that it's in the domain of unnoticeable by the vast majority of the population.
Otoh, while you try to maintain that it's the domain of "personal preferences", a non native 1080p resolution will have a constant effect 100% of the time, and induce a blur on a 1080p screen (I surmise that most people here have one of these? Obviously a non problem on 720p screens), and particularly noticeable on anything 42" and above in most cases I think.
