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[GTR R35_Supra RZ]

Can't see them going with a 4TF machine for atleast two years when their biggest competitor has a 6TF machine.


Either they upgrade NEO specs or they'll have another machine for us next year

Obviously it would have to be this year, because they ARE scared of the " Monster " Neo would melt of Scorpios Monsternessss'sss specs alone.

I for one no doubt about it, would shift %110 to Scorp owning all games, especially multi-plats now that it will look and play better it's a damn fact..and finally would have a reason for my external 5tbs hdd use. ( just need to get rid of 2 of my X1's closer to Scorps '17 release )

...or...exactly like you said, quietly upgrade Neo specs and watch competitions next move/release date of Scorp.

 

[LordofPwn]

Wasn't there an insider that posted on here saying 2017 at the earliest?

 

[ethomaz]

If so then it was stupid to skip E3 imo.

Why?

Announce with own event plus release next week is the best way to announce a hardware.

E3 is for games.

Apple do that for years already.

 

[NoctisVsStar]

Wasn't there an insider that posted on here saying 2017 at the earliest?

I think it launches around Horizon or before.

 

[2+2=5]

Why?

Announce with own event plus release next week is the best way to announce a hardware.

E3 is for games.

Apple do that for years already.

Because E3 is the biggest gaming show followed by everyone, Sony, Nintendo and MS fans, a Sony only event is mostly followed by sony fans and those who are already interested, also people need to get hyped and to get the money for a new console, releasing a new console a week after its announcement isn't a good move at all.

 

[ganaconda]

I figured this was the case with House's comments about consumers being used to the Apple "announce and then immediately release" concept. Also, I don't see how PSVR will work well without Neo, so releasing it without Neo seems silly to me. Over extended periods of time, it has been shown that VR under 80 fps gives people a headache as it doesn't feel natural. As someone who's worked on VR/MR stuff I know this is well known on the optics side of things. PS4 simply can't get to that level of performance on modern games. VR games will have to be dumbed down visually to hit the requisite framerates.

 

[N30RYU]

PSVR2? It will be the same PS4 or Neo.

I really think PSVR specs for neo will be quite low... and sony may pull a better VR for Neo... one with a better screen resolution.

more if ms looks luke will ally with oculus

 

[boredandlazy]

Obviously it would have to be this year, because they ARE scared of the " Monster " Neo would melt of Scorpios Monsternessss'sss specs alone.

I for one no doubt about it, would shift %110 to Scorp owning all games, especially multi-plats now that it will look and play better it's a damn fact..and finally would have a reason for my external 5tbs hdd use. ( just need to get rid of 2 of my X1's closer to Scorps '17 release )

...or...exactly like you said, quietly upgrade Neo specs and watch competitions next move/release date of Scorp.

Whilst it's obvious where your preferences lie and how it's skewing what you post, I am genuinely curious how many XBOnes do you actually own?

 

[LordofPwn]

I think it launches around Horizon or before.

They could announce at CES and launch in March, still may need to boost the GPUs back to regular card specs to try and close the power gap between scorpio?

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

Consoles are limited by a thermal footprint, so max that thermal foot print as soon as it becomes available, IMO.

A lot forget about this point and I can see a major issue in the medium term for the next gen systems. RAM.

This graph shows the issue that could be a big problem for thermally limited consoles in late '18/19:

A very good reason for doing this upgrade now?

 

[tearsintherain]

I woulda liked to see an announcement at E3, but I'm ok with a later announcement as long as they cover the following points

- how it sells with PSVR (bundles, promos, etc)
- upgrade options for existing PS 4 users, if any

At this point I'm sorta resigned to PS 4K being just a minor power upgrade, and possibly a bigger upgrade next year. I'll upgrade to PS 4k if its relatively cheap (under $200) but not gonna bother if there will be no trade in program or anything, even if its just Gamestop offering $250 for my PS4 and charging $399 for PS 4k.

What I would LOVE is a note that PS 4K comes with 4 USB ports and will allow external USB3 drives. I would love to stick a 4TB drive on my PS4 and let it move from system to system, would make the upgrade to PS 4.5 or whatever next year a lot more palatable.

 

[gunslikewhoa]

If we want to talk about 'a lot of money" Oculus is $600 and Vive is $800, without the cost of strong PC that can run them. Any PS4 model + PSVR will still be much more affordable than PC+PCVR.

That's true but irrelevant to their point, really. The point is, if Sony launches Neo this fall, they will be offering consumers multiple options:

1. Buy PSVR only.
2. Buy Neo only.
3. Buy Neo + PSVR.

How many people are there out there who would like to buy both but can't afford that much at one time or, for PS4 owners, simply can't justify the expense of doing both at once?

It seems to me it would be much easier for Sony to push PSVR to their current install base at it's launch without the added complication of explaining the existence of the Neo. Trying to get people to upgrade their console while in the same breath trying to sell them a thing that also works with their old console feels like a fool's errand of sorts.

 

[demigod]

Announce at Paris Games, release mid November like the PS4 is my guess.

 

[StrongBlackVine]

Well this is my assumption , but I'll put it this way, I've talked to someone whose worked with Neo - and I think it's safe to say the discussion behind optimizing for Neo will be a very healthy one. Those folks worried about PS4's unoptimized, will hopefully get their fears alleviated. If Giant Bomb Leaks are right - this is a sister machine ^_^

There is a wisdom behind choosing Jaguar again- if Sony put in an entirely new CPU- it would effectively create a schism in development priorities for a programmer. He would easily get around CPU bound solutions on Neo and wouldn't be assed to re-think PS4.

Has this been mod verified? Haven't trusted any thing this guy says since he flipped flopped on specs in the span of 30 minutes and started passing it off as fact.

Note he said this Jaguar constrained Neo would cost $499...

OK. Taking his comments as genuine then surely he isn't talking about the 1% that have or will get top end PC's and more worried about those console gamers choosing to jump to a mid spec PC because of a aging PS4?

I guess it all is moot right now if Neo is this year. I'm still really confused about there being two options available in 2016. That decision would have been made a year or two ago not still on the table after dev kits had gone out well into this year.

A new PS4 with a Jaguar is still below mid-spec PCs.

 

[GTR R35_Supra RZ]

Whilst it's obvious where your preferences lie and how it's skewing what you post, I am genuinely curious how many XBOnes do you actually own?

Just 2 at the moment, thinking about the new S

Own 2 Ps4's aswell if that makes a difference.

 

[geordiemp]

That's true but irrelevant to their point, really. The point is, if Sony launches Neo this fall, they will be offering consumers multiple options:

1. Buy PSVR only.
2. Buy Neo only.
3. Buy Neo + PSVR.

How many people are there out there who would like to buy both but can't afford that much at one time or, for PS4 owners, simply can't justify the expense of doing both at once?

It seems to me it would be much easier for Sony to push PSVR to their current install base at it's launch without the added complication of explaining the existence of the Neo. Trying to get people to upgrade their console while in the same breath trying to sell them a thing that also works with their old console feels like a fool's errand of sorts.

Not every consumer wants VR, and it is Xmas time = good time to put great presents on the shelf.

 

[boredandlazy]

Just 2 at the moment, thinking about the new S

Own 2 Ps4's aswell if that makes a difference.

It's just that you said "2 of" which I interpreted as meaning you had more than 2. Which would be a relatively extreme number to own of any console.

 

[geordiemp]

Yes!

If both machines use Jaguar - they both will be shit in CPU bound situations. Why do we care? You always want to program against your weaknesses. The Neo includes a shitty CPU (no offense) - but that's genius because a company like Naughty Dog / Guerilla will know GPGPU is just a large a priority on Neo as it is on PS4. Both machines also have 8 GB of RAM - so developer ambition stays within the same boundaries. .

Well we all know Sony first party will put the effort in.

Its third party games the CPU will fail and it worries me - many third party are not going to spend allot of time doing GPGPU offloading are they.

 

[sense]

If Sony are supply constrained for PSVR then they will announce Neo as soon as they are positive they will be sold out. Sony know people will buy the Neo regardless after the success of PS4 hence the focus on VR, plus announcing Neo now does nothing for Sony apart from slow PS4 sales that's why I think the gap between announcement and release will be as small as they can possibly make it. MS won't be the only platform to have a 4K video solution this holiday because Neo will be out this holiday too. You do make a good point though, when does the XB1S release as Sony will probably want to launch just before that with the Neo.

Xbox slim is coming out in August so Sony is not going to let them be the only player for too long. I personally expect neo early October or even launch alongside psvr. Andrew house has already said they expect to be supply constrained for psvr so I assume the preorders are strong. If I were Sony I would push for an early September release for neo to get people ready for psvr for the ones that plan to get both. I totally agree with you that they will announce and release shortly after. My only contention was that they wouldn't release the enough in December. September ideal, October realistic, November a bit late but still possible. December is just too late because at that point you might as well increase the specs a bit and release it in February or March

 

[StrongBlackVine]

Well we all know Sony first party will put the effort in.

Its third party games the CPU will fail and it worries me - many third party are not going to spend allot of time doing GPGPU offloading are they.

Sony first party can't work miracles. That Jaguar is probably why Uncharted 4 is 30fps. Don't see God Of War hitting 60fps.

 

[BossDarkseid]

Because I have a PC? There's literally zero reason for me to own Scorpio seeing as there won't be any exclusive software for it.

On the other hand you need a PS4 or PSNeo to play the exclusives on that platform. The device you play on is just a means to an end. It's about the games that you get to play.

This is basically me. I actually think it's a great move by MS because its not like Sony are going to start trying to push their own app store on PC (I think ) so it just gives more options to their customers and yeah, I'm going to be getting something like Halo Wars 2 or Halo 6 etc on PC going forward because I'll be able to run it better than on console.

PS4 Neo will be great for other reasons, whether it pushes for 4k native games (doubt it) or just upscales stuff that's 1080p/60fps a fair few of the games will not be available on PC too...and as for the resolution stuff for XB1 games on PC...I have a 1440p monitor and try to get 60fps as much as possible, and I'd much rather play Halo 6 at 1440p/60fps than 4k/30fps for example and I feel it might be something MS and Sony are overselling.

Then again a video that declares the Scorpio as producing the highest quality pixels anyone has ever seen is either satire or self aware.

If Neo is more of an upscaling machine with the resolutions still being 1080p I hope they either focus on dynamic res (a small amount like 900p-1080p) to hit 60fps, because something like God of War will probably still look astounding when PS5 comes out.

 

[TotalMackerel]

I can definitely see them launching Neo this year, with a price drop on the OG PS4 to $299 to compete with the Xbox One S. As others have said, PSVR is going to be in short supply so I don't think they'll be worried about canablizing their own sales. And then in terms of next year, I think we'll see a price drop on the Neo right before the release of Project Scorpio, along with a huge push for all Sony's first pary and exclusive games that we saw at E3 this year.

 

[gunslikewhoa]

Not every consumer wants VR, and it is Xmas time = good time to put great presents on the shelf.

I never said they did.

I'm not saying that more choices are bad for the consumer. I'm saying that the timing doesn't make sense from the other side of things. There will be a Christmas next year, too.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

Has this been mod verified? Haven't trusted any thing this guy says since he flipped flopped on specs in the span of 30 minutes and started passing it off as fact.

Note he said this Jaguar constrained Neo would cost $499...



A new PS4 with a Jaguar is still below mid-spec PCs.

It would be a lot closer to a mid spec PC in years 4-7 than OG PS4. As for the $499 price for Neo it would be a big fail all round and I certainly wouldn't get it. $399/£349 is the max for me.

 

[GTR R35_Supra RZ]

It's just that you said "2 of" which I interpreted as meaning you had more than 2. Which would be a relatively extreme number to own of any console.

I hear you my mistake

Owning a house is comfy to have more than one set up in different areas of the rooms

 

[RoboPlato]

If I could play BF1 on Neo this year I would be ecstatic.

 

[vpance]

Sony first party can't work miracles. That Jaguar is probably why Uncharted 4 is 30fps. Don't see God Of War hitting 60fps.

I bet GoW will end up being an unlocked 40-50.

 

[Grover Cleveland]

OK. Taking his comments as genuine then surely he isn't talking about the 1% that have or will get top end PC's and more worried about those console gamers choosing to jump to a mid spec PC because of a aging PS4?

Right.

Sony doesn't care about the people who can spec their PCs to blow PS4s out of the water.

Because chances are those people aren't buying consoles anyway. (Or they're only buying them for exclusives in which case the relative power really wouldn't matter)

Sony cares about people putting togetger 350-500 dollar small form factor PCs with graphics caps above the PS4 right now.

 

[StrongBlackVine]

It would be a lot closer to a mid spec PC in years 4-7 than OG PS4. As for the $499 price for Neo it would be a big fail all round and I certainly wouldn't get it. $399/£349 is the max for me.

The point is they don't care if you buy it. There are enough of us that will and they don't seem to have very high goals based on way House phrased it. It's not a replacement for the PS4. As long you are buying games for a PS4 and paying for PS Plus they are happy. Calling some something a premium product and then trying price it first mass market acceptance makes no sense at all. Let the price conscious consumers buy a $249 OG PS4 this Fall. Most gamers will be happy with that. Saying you are making a machine for the hardcore and then sticking another fucking Jaguar in it is a joke.

Any analysis with a focus on how the Neo will sell to the mass market at launch is flawed.

 

[Boke1879]

Because E3 is the biggest gaming show followed by everyone, Sony, Nintendo and MS fans, a Sony only event is mostly followed by sony fans and those who are already interested, also people need to get hyped and to get the money for a new console, releasing a new console a week after its announcement isn't a good move at all.

It showing up at e3 vs them revealing it at a later date plus a a month gap before launch essentially comes to the same conclusion. You'll be able to buy on by the end of the year

 

[Yankee Ruin X]

Xbox slim is coming out in August so Sony is not going to let them be the only player for too long. I personally expect neo early October or even launch alongside psvr. Andrew house has already said they expect to be supply constrained for psvr so I assume the preorders are strong. If I were Sony I would push for an early September release for neo to get people ready for psvr for the ones that plan to get both. I totally agree with you that they will announce and release shortly after. My only contention was that they wouldn't release the enough in December. September ideal, October realistic, November a bit late but still possible. December is just too late because at that point you might as well increase the specs a bit and release it in February or March

My original guess for Neo when the rumours started was alongside PSVR launch and if Sony are supply constrained then it could happen but I still think they will wait until the dust settles on PSVR. I'm sure Sony will launch it as soon as they possibly can and if they are in a position to do so in October they will. As for announcing it, it really make no sense to announce until the last possible second they aren't going to lose many PS4 sales to Xbox Slim by keeping quiet but they would lose a lot of PS4 sales if they announced Neo at E3 as most people would just wait for the Neo instead of buying now.

I don't think Sony are worried about XBS they will only have a month or 2 in the limelight and it won't be enough to hurt Sony's launches as long as they are announced and out by the holidays then Sony will make a killing this year.

 

[InsaneTiger]

Because I have a PC? There's literally zero reason for me to own Scorpio seeing as there won't be any exclusive software for it.

On the other hand you need a PS4 or PSNeo to play the exclusives on that platform. The device you play on is just a means to an end. It's about the games that you get to play.

Ryan Gosling (couldn't help it Hoo Doo) is right, I can have a PC with as many flops as I want. If I want MS exclusives (I don't) I know I can always go to the Windows Store or Steam if it performs badly enough (Quantum Break).

Besides Xbox fans don't need to worry about sales anymore. Whether the S and Scorpio sell 1 or 10 million units, it's about the Xbox, MAUs and time spent on XBL.

However until Sony exclusives are on PC, I need a PS4. Have you seen Horizon?

 

[Pops Maellard]

Because E3 is the biggest gaming show followed by everyone, Sony, Nintendo and MS fans, a Sony only event is mostly followed by sony fans and those who are already interested, also people need to get hyped and to get the money for a new console, releasing a new console a week after its announcement isn't a good move at all.

Not really, no. People that aren't "Sony fans" are still going to hear about a separate Neo announcement. The Apple hardware reveal strategy is arguably the best way to go about it. Reveal it, make it available the same day or within a few days after said reveal. Don't give people time to think and forget, strike while the hype is the most intense. This is not a linear thing; people don't become increasingly more excited for a product the longer it takes to release. I would have slapped $400 down for the One S if it had been available immediately after the conference. Instead, I'm going to go with the cheaper model and even now debating whether I need an Xbox One at all. By the time August rolls around, who knows how I'll feel.

Sony made the right move. Give the Neo it's own event, make everyone lose their mind, and then drop the "and it's available in stores... Tomorrow" bomb.

 

[MilesTeg]

MS announced early because they know NEO will have a significant head start on the market and will likely cost $100 less too. Sony is ahead as usual with MS playing catch-up.

 

[ethomaz]

MS announced early because they know NEO will have a significant head start on the market and will likely cost $100 less too. Sony is ahead as usual with MS playing catch-up.

Makes sense if they wish to tell people not buy Neo and wait Scorpio.

 

[Averon]

I'm betting an official unveiling at GamesCom and a launch two weeks later in early September.

 

[shangolin]

I'm really hoping it launches soon, if for no other reason then being tired of my PS4s hairdryer-level noisemaking. I also have a 4k TV but I'm not expecting it to be of much use.

 

[BluenoseGames]

I'm really hoping it launches soon, if for no other reason then being tired of my PS4s hairdryer-level noisemaking..

Preach.

 

[CCIE]

I'll be moving the PS4 downstairs to the theater, and putting the 4K UHD PS4 on the TV upstairs. Sounds like a win/win for me. I play mostly Sony games and JRPG's so I will be busy with games as opposed to specs for the next few years anyway. ( The amount of quality JRPG's coming soon on the PS4 is my idea of gaming Nirvana). Not making the mistake of chasing the latest and greatest with subpar games again. It takes years for the better games to appear when these new systems come out.

I made that mistake with the Sony PS3 and missed some great PS2 games as a result. I also did so with the XB1 and PS4, replacing the PS3/360 way too early. I was so disgusted with the XB1 it didn't last the first weekend for me (sad, because the 360 was my mainstay for several years), and the PS4 has taken some time to come around.

I'm not chasing the Scorpio this time, while the PS4 Neo seems like the perfect compromise of performance and gaming to me. It's still a PS4, with oomph. I'm sure lots of people will though. Also, I would expect to see a performance decrease from the promises in final hardware. It ALWAYS happens. What I am interested to see is the NX - if it is around PS4 power level with Nintendo games I am so in it defies description. My first loves in gaming will always be Nintendo and Square.

 

[Milly Osworth]

When is PS4 Neo S coming?

 

[Loudninja]

If so then it was stupid to skip E3 imo.

I think people need to stop thinking E3 is the only big show.

Sony announced the PS3 slim in August and it was available that day.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=371610

 

[Aceofspades]

When is PS4 Neo S coming?

Haha, I love posts like this.

What about we know about Neo first?

 

[Josman]

Well, if Neo's GPU is indeed a downclocked RX480, then I can see this console in the 5TF ballpark, good enough coupled with a year headstart and a cheaper price.

 

[icespide]

more "Sony needs to give us time to save money" posts. that's such a weird notion to me. you don't have to buy day 1!

 

[Elfforkusu]

Would be great, since I'm going to need a PS4 by the time Persona 5 and Nier come out.

Alternative is a cheap used og PS4 to bridge the gap until the Neo is out...

 

[zackmorris]

Umm I really hope not. PSVR for 399/499 and then a console for another 399(?) with a month or two from each other seems crazy. I feel like there is a huge crossover on those markets

 

[Marvel]

If I could play BF1 on Neo this year I would be ecstatic.

Same.

 

[zackmorris]

more "Sony needs to give us time to save money" posts. that's such a weird notion to me. you don't have to buy day 1!

Of course not. But i'd assume Sony would want you too, in which case it would be wise to allow people time to make arrangements

 

[MilesTeg]

Makes sense if they wish to tell people not buy Neo and wait Scorpio.

Obviously thats the point. However it probably wont have much of an effect. Sony will have already had VR and their 4K box on the market for a year by the time Scorpio launches with whatever VR solution. I mean PS4 users will be playing RE7 in VR day one and Xbox users will play in VR ??? Scorpio will launch more expensive with less content and a year late. Hell Sony could even have a PS4K price cut by then. Not to mention Sony has some promising games in development and MS doesn't have the studios to match up. The Scorpio announcement is out of desperation. MS is way behind, again, and they know it.

 

[RedRum]

Strange question here. Will Neo and PSVR work with each other? Or we don't know the answer to this yet. Because if so.. day 1.