Burgess_101
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I was too busy looking at the constant blur effects going on.
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Digital Foundry vs. Dead Rising 3
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I was too busy looking at the constant blur effects going on.
Don't you think the fanbase would have expected for those issues to be gone with new hardware.
I'm used to current gen graphics but I want and expect a boost in graphics in next gen. That's what new hardware's for.
reptilescorpio
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Framerate means a lot more to me than resolution in a fun game like this, little disappointed but hopefully they design the gameplay for the low framerate and it will still be fun.
Spacecowboy77
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Exactly. Just like GTA V has performance problems and yet it's as awesome game.
It's defentaly not a good thing and a shame that this is considered "next-gen" by MS but I think it wouldn't effect the actual success of the game.
People who love DR will love it even if it's sub 30 FPS at times and 720p
cripterion
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So disappointing to hear, especially coming out of the thread of them claiming to give them a break because they had their framerate "locked @ 30fps".
Still getting it though, cause from the videos we've been getting lately it's seemed ok, "janky co-op" ok!
Some people will use DF's analysis when it fits their agenda.
Still getting it though, cause from the videos we've been getting lately it's seemed ok, "janky co-op" ok!
Some people will use DF's analysis when it fits their agenda.
It seems Capcom have the cornered the market of the uncritical consumers.
SEGAvangelist
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I was going to get this at launch. Guess I'll wait for a sale now. This is so disappointing. 
EDIT: But it still looks like so much fun!
EDIT: But it still looks like so much fun!
maquiladora
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720p, regular framerate drops below 30fps and it doesn't even look that good anyway?
Not the kind of experience you want after spending $500 on new hardware. Should have been delayed.
Not the kind of experience you want after spending $500 on new hardware. Should have been delayed.
Sleeplessnights
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ITT: People having too high expectations regarding Next Gen
Remember when PS3 came out and everyone thought 1080p was going to be a standard?
Even PS4 will end up going back to 720p in some games.
Gamers ask too much, everyone expects a giant leap forward, except the Hardware Sony and MS gave us isn't really up to scratch for 1080p60FPS throughout 10 years.
Remember when PS3 came out and everyone thought 1080p was going to be a standard?
Even PS4 will end up going back to 720p in some games.
Gamers ask too much, everyone expects a giant leap forward, except the Hardware Sony and MS gave us isn't really up to scratch for 1080p60FPS throughout 10 years.
Slowdowns are shitty. It would be better to have dynamic resolution, or lower the particles effects, or drop the lod, or lower the shadow effects, etc, etc. All of these would be less noticable in chaotic situations than framerate. You don't HAVE to have framerate drops. Only if you make bad technical choices, or if the hardware isn't powerful enough (which could be described as bad design choices - the game doesn't fit the hardware).
Broder Salsa
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I noticed it all the time, but the reason it might be harder to notice for some is probably that it's a slower paced game. How many times do you just causally walk around slowly? Meanwhile in Far Cry 3 you can notice it whenever you try to react quickly and GTA all the driving turns to complete shit, in TLOU not so much.
Wait but they said 30fps LOCKED?
And now we're at locked 30 - and that's just been purely the effort of all aspects of the team, the engineering team and our team all trying to optimise. And that's always what happens as the last step of the development of a product.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...-more-to-do-with-what-you-do-with-those-specs
So they are lying straight up?
And now we're at locked 30 - and that's just been purely the effort of all aspects of the team, the engineering team and our team all trying to optimise. And that's always what happens as the last step of the development of a product.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...-more-to-do-with-what-you-do-with-those-specs
So they are lying straight up?
synce
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Direct frame buffer captures...
Holy shit look at how crisp that text is
That's a good point.
Alx
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Lesss zombies would go against the very concept of the game... making it smoother but less fun isn't a good place to start in my opinion.
Anyway if the bigger framerate dips happen in situations like the gif above, where you're splattering dozens of zombies with a vehicle, I don't think it's a major issue. Of course it would be better without the dip, but it's not like it will hurt the gameplay.
DR 3 isn't a true built from the ground up next gen title. Development was obviously started on the 360 hence why the game has the same problems.
Coulomb_Barrier
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Chugging 20 fps already on the Xbox One!?? This is like end of gen Crysis 2 struggling on PS360 but at year 1 on Xbox One.
Revolutionary
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Brings back memories
lmao perfect
Definitely, I absolutely love The Last of Us and GTA V and they're not bad games because of their performance, but it did bother me and I can't wait for a PC version of GTA V, I'll double dip in a heartbeat.
Looking forward to a possible multiplatform DR4 though. I hope colors make a comeback. I'd be into the timer becoming standard again, but I'll give DR3 the benefit of the doubt on that, if it gets better without the timer, then I'm ok with this.
GribbleGrunger
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You can't sell the difference between 20fps and 30fps! Just lay it faster.
Japanmanx3
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Windom Earle
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Funny that DR1 is actually the best performing game in the franchise in terms of framerate and IQ. It had up to 4xMSAA (AA went down in taxing situations) and the framerate was better than this while employing adaptive v-sync when necessary. Game is fucking awesome and I doubt DR3 will be better...
Those were both late gen games that obviously pushed the hardware to its maximum, is it really the same with DR3?
Ol No Bones
Banned
Won an xbox through dewritos promotion. I got this bundled with it. Wish I had got ryse. If the hardware is really this weak you ms guys should be ashamed. Hey let's build a console that's just good enough. Damn you whoever had control over that decision. This is embarrassing for long time fans. Good thing the ps4 is out there.
hooijdonk17
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This is actually a reason why it should run silky smooth on the Xbone at 720p, which is the common render target for the 360, a console with about 1/8 the RAM and 1/10 the compute power. My hair is a bird and all that.
DJ12
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Good spot lol. Its still richards site and I imagine he reads everything before It gets posted.
mugoldeneagle03
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Yeah but there always has to be a new "norm" and if someone doesn't set their goals high we'll end up with current Apple level updates over an 7-8 year console span which would suck.
1080p/60fps should be standard this gen. VR (done right) could be what sets it apart from others in the end. It's 2013. Expectations should be high in this area
I won't speak for others, but my disappointment stems from not high expectations but from developer comments themselves. When you say your game is "locked" at 30fps and you see frame dips as bad as these, that's flat out lying.
DangerousDave
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Because of the speed. In TLOU, you move slow. In FarCry 3 or GTA V, you can drive vehicles and go at high speeds, where low fps are very noticiable.
HarryKS
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If I bought Dead Rising 1, Dead RIsing 2, Dead Rising Off the Record, does that mean I am 3 people?
GameSeeker
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Just finished reading the article. Boy, that's a very disappointing result.
Since DR3 was originally prototyped as a 360 game it isn't pushing many next-gen graphical features or physics, other than the sheer number of zombies. To end up at 720p and less than 30fps is just a bad combination.
There is a tendency for some folks to to blame developers for Xbone bad news. They blame Infinity Ward for 720p CoD, DICE for 720p BF4, Capcom for 20fps 720p DR3, etc. But given the emerging pattern, folks may want to think about pointing some of the blame at Microsoft for the hardware and software that they delivered.
Back in the days when SenjutsuSage was delivering 500 word essay's on the magical ESRAM, the fairy dust Move engines and the earth shattering SHAPE sound engine, you may not have believed that the Xbone was underpowered. But now that we have the games, the facts don't lie.
Since DR3 was originally prototyped as a 360 game it isn't pushing many next-gen graphical features or physics, other than the sheer number of zombies. To end up at 720p and less than 30fps is just a bad combination.
There is a tendency for some folks to to blame developers for Xbone bad news. They blame Infinity Ward for 720p CoD, DICE for 720p BF4, Capcom for 20fps 720p DR3, etc. But given the emerging pattern, folks may want to think about pointing some of the blame at Microsoft for the hardware and software that they delivered.
Back in the days when SenjutsuSage was delivering 500 word essay's on the magical ESRAM, the fairy dust Move engines and the earth shattering SHAPE sound engine, you may not have believed that the Xbone was underpowered. But now that we have the games, the facts don't lie.
shinra-bansho
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It's TheKayle. Nuff said.
Black Mantis
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No loading screens, it loads in one go, which is a massive improvement over the previous games.
cripterion
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But, but... MS told us it's future proof? LIES!
Haha yeah you might be right but goddamn we're dropping some hard cash on these consoles, while I don't expect 1080p/60fps for all titles I certainly didn't expect to get framerates in the lower 20's :/
Everytime I had to go from my pc to console this gen it really hurt cause of the degradation in IQ and performance (plus I found these consoles were louder than my pc) so I'm expecting better for upcoming gen, definitely.
I don't know; DR2: Off the Record on PC performs great on my GTX 660.
The original Dead Rising performed well on X360. DR2 started to have problems, especially on PS3 for some reason. So that may have been more due to hardware limitations at the time because, again, DR2 on any modern PC will run great.
DR3 just seems to be a rushed product plagued with tech issues and poor art/environmental design.
It's never too late, but that's not to suggest a belated port is likely.
gamerforever
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Funny thing is if Sony or MS had backwards compatibility in their next gen machines they would have cleaned up, but no chances of that happening with big bucks to be made from past glories!
eso76
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Silly would be claiming DR3 looks like a current gen game without taking into account, or lacking the technical knowledge to do so, what a DR game does under the hood. In terms of brute raw performance, it does things no current gen game could ever dream of doing, that much is not debateable.
I understand what you are saying; as far as graphical fidelity of the single elements onscreen goes, DR3 does look like a current gen game.
Individial aspects and overall IQ don't look much better than what you could achieve on current gen hardware (the whole package does though) and that's probably something that wouldn't have happened going from last gen to current; the gap was wider.
DR did look better than the best looking 'on rail' third person action game on Xbox 1, plus being DR. and going from 640x480 to 1280x720.
Or not. Not so sure now.
Yes, my point is it's always design choices. Framerate and resolution always depend on what the developer chooses to display
PdotMichael
Banned
Look who wrote this article or who didn't.
I think locked at 30 means they are not going higher than 30
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
Still looks like the most worthwhile and fun launch title despite what the Best Buy Geek Squad's analysis says.
IAmRandom31
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There is not a single future X1 owner here who back in May thought they would hear the words 720p x sub 30fps for exclusive titles on their future 500$ console releasing in late 2013.
Lets not be completely off the wall here. What happened to the 80 page long threads about these 2 systems being equal in power. X1 owners screaming about secrets and Nelson saying, " just ya'll wait! JUST YOU WAIT! You will see the truth! ". Then Panello coming around stating he KNOWS the power bend is not as high as people have seen claimed.
Back then do you think 720p was even contemplated by those people with their MS goggles on? Now that this is indeed the reality of the situation ... just like the DRM situation before it, it is back to the accepting stage. They will accept whatever comes their way and try to rationalize their way through the mud. It sucks, but hey atleast MS delivered on the UI.
Lets not be completely off the wall here. What happened to the 80 page long threads about these 2 systems being equal in power. X1 owners screaming about secrets and Nelson saying, " just ya'll wait! JUST YOU WAIT! You will see the truth! ". Then Panello coming around stating he KNOWS the power bend is not as high as people have seen claimed.
Back then do you think 720p was even contemplated by those people with their MS goggles on? Now that this is indeed the reality of the situation ... just like the DRM situation before it, it is back to the accepting stage. They will accept whatever comes their way and try to rationalize their way through the mud. It sucks, but hey atleast MS delivered on the UI.
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