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[Reiko]

Digital Foundry is talking about image quality. We are talking about image quality. It's completely relevant. Whether or not they are fair comparisons is another debate entirely, and it's mostly subjective. The fact is, the terrible IQ in the game bogs down the visuals. What some of us are saying is that we can't stand the bad IQ because of what we're used to, and some have provided examples. It's completely relevant, and it is definitely not trolling.

Some of you guys need to get in the habit of seeing justifiable opposing views on subjects.

You can't win with better IQ anyway... If ND used the MLAA from GOW3 people would then be complaining about the horrible framerate, since the PS3 could not cope with running it at that fidelity.

At least it's not as bad as Castlevania. That game had horrible IQ and a horrible framerate.

 

[abstract alien]

Has to be one of the best looking games I've ever seen in motion. Probably one of the best ever, period. So hard to look at this, then some other pieces of software. Everything meshes so well together.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

This game will look better than the vast majority of early PS4 and Durango games.

Those games will be on a technical level far above LoU, but this game has impressive tech, and some of the best art direction gaming has to offer. That will mean more going forward than all the flops and shaders in the world.

Get more flops and this level of expertise together? You'll have the next standard for realtime rendering.

 

[delta25]

Has to be one of the best looking games I've ever seen in motion. Probably one of the best ever, period. So hard to look at this, then some other pieces of software. Everything meshes so well together.

Hogwash!!!

 

[Ryoku]

You can't win with better IQ anyway... If ND used the MLAA from GOW3 people would then be complaining about the horrible framerate, since the PS3 could not cope with running it at that fidelity.

At least it's not as bad as Castlevania. That game had horrible IQ and a horrible framerate.

To a PC gamer, it has got terrible IQ. In general, it's bad IQ, but that's something we've gotten used to on consoles. I'm going to ignore the non-bolded because that introduces a red herring.

 

[Reiko]

This game will look better than the vast majority of early PS4 and Durango games.

Those games will be on a technical level far above LoU, but this game has impressive tech, and some of the best art direction gaming has to offer. That will mean more going forward than all the flops and shaders in the world.

Get more flops and this level of expertise together? You'll have the next standard for realtime rendering.

If Crysis 3 is a early Durango or Orbis game than it trumps it easily on a technical scale. Throw in 60fps and we're done.

Also this game would look killer in 60fps too.

 

[G_Berry]

Wait, people are comparing Uncharted 3 to maxed out Max Payne on pc and saying they're comparable?

Do some of you guys just not have eyes?

 

[mysteriousmage09]

Whoever took these screenshots is a fucking idiot.

Why does the sky look like it was made out of blue construction paper?

Why does the backpack look like it took a run through MSPaint?

Why do his pants have a big as smudge at the bottom?

On the other shots.

What the fuck with her leg?

Why does the UI look like shit? (look at the Magnum icon trigger and the red 0 for the ammo)

My god. For praising the game so much they sure as shit didn't double check these abysmal screens they took. We have all seen the game in motion and while it isn't the most breathtaking thing to grace gaming, it's 10x better then the pics. Not to mention, Naughty Dog is always doing their final final months until launch improvements that make their games look tons better, this game will be no exception.

 

[Projectjustice]

The game looks good but you can tell its being held back by dated hardware. Really looking forward to what ND can do in the next gen for Sony.

 

[Valnen]

Crysis 2 on 300$ PC - http://imgur.com/a/XqbUG#11

What specs are we talking? I seriously doubt you can get a motherboard, case, power supply, *good* video card, processor, and RAM all for $300. I've tried, it's simply not possible on newegg. A good case alone is $50-60ish. Video card is at least $150ish for a half decent one. There goes half your budget already.

*shrug*

looks about right to me.

I'm pretty sure you need to see an eye doctor. Now. Your eyesight is failing.

 

[R_thanatos]

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i think you're nitpicking a little

 

[Mithos]

What specs are we talking? I seriously doubt you can get a motherboard, case, power supply, *good* video card, processor, and RAM all for $300. I've tried, it's simply not possible on newegg. A good case alone is $50-60ish. Video card is at least $150ish for a half decent one. There goes half your budget already.

Not only that, you have to timetravel back to 2005 and buy the hardware THEN, I doubt even Crysis 2 would boot on that hardware you could buy for $300 in 2005.

 

[Stallion Free]

Not only that, you have to timetravel back to 2005 and buy the hardware THEN, I doubt even Crysis 2 would boot on that hardware you could buy for $300 in 2005.

That makes no sense. The PS3 cost 600$ back in 2005 and Sony was taking a loss on it IIRC.

 

[Synless]

720p locked? - 30fps Post process AA (not MLAA?) Camera AND Motion based motion blur Ambient Occlution and DoF and smoother shadows

I think BF3 has all these effects too, but Dogs = Gods!

Yeah, at less then 720p and a not stable framerate.

 

[Zaventem]

i think you're nitpicking a little

I don't think he's nitpicking these screens look horrible.The game looks great in motion but trying to defend console game screens like this is something i can't do.I guess all the bullshots have really gotten to me.

 

[Vulcano's assistant]

For those troubled with the idea of why PC ports are always brought out in Digital foundry threads, no matter the game, the answer is anti-aliasing. You can turn it on and off, on games of now and of yesteryear, and it's a very important variable at the time of empirical examination that can only be manipulated with such ease in PC games.

 

[shinobi602]

Lol people are seriously complaining about the visuals? Watch the demo again, game looks fucking incredible.

 

[Dynamite Ringo Matsuri]

next gen please come soon

That was the first thought that came to mind when I saw the screens :l good thing it looks good in motion

 

[meta4]

Wait, people are comparing Uncharted 3 to maxed out Max Payne on pc and saying they're comparable?

Do some of you guys just not have eyes?

I suggest you use yours and compare the footage posted previously in this thread to see why it may not be as absurd a claim as you make it out to be.

 

[Man-is-Obsolete]

We get it pc gamers hate console game's graphics, it's been made clear in nearly every thread about graphics. Moving on.

 

[TUROK]

Wow... Those environments do not look good at all.

This is a far far cry from the in-engine reveal trailer.

 

[TheBrain76]

CANNOT see this image without thinking "WONDERBOOK!!"

 

[Pranay]

People are forgetting how old the build is.

Many will eat crows once the game releases

 

[Psychological Intellect]

Really can't wait to see what top tier devs deliver on next gen consoles.

 

[Pranay]

I see what you mean, sometimes the visual presentation holds more weight than the sheer graphical performance.

Your opinion is as valid as mine of course. I'm not forcing my views down anyone's throat.

And I've never stated in any way that Uncharted 3 is a bad looking game, just that I think a good number of multiplats on PC look noticeably better. Same goes for the visual cohesion that I think is more astute in games I have mentionned. Both from a technical and visual standpoint Uncharted 3 does not hold a candle to PC versions of Batman Arkham City, Max Payne 3 or The Witcher 2 to name a few.

I perfectly understand this is highly subjective.

De gustibus non est disputandum

You are wrong. [IQ aside] Uncharted 3 does a lot of impressive stuff.

 

[Psychological Intellect]

You are wrong. [IQ aside] Uncharted 3 does a lot of impressive stuff.

I watched the behind the scenes stuff and for the shipyard level instead of faking an ocean, the programmers actually made a completely physics based simulated ocean.

 

[Pranay]

I watched the behind the scenes stuff and for the shipyard level instead of faking an ocean, the programmers actually made a completely physics based simulated ocean.

People are just seeing the first screenshots and blabbering crap.
The First screenshot look crap but you actually dont need to bring high end pc games to compare, you can compare it with uncharted 2 and 3, and it still day and night difference atleast.
The game is still a year away to release and i remember that GFX of ND games keeps getting better after every gameplay trailer reveals.
They have done it in the past and thats why people will give them benefit of the doubt.

 

[JaseC]

People are just seeing the first screenshots and blabbering crap.
The First screenshot look crap but you actually dont need to bring high end pc games to compare, you can compare it with uncharted 2 and 3, and it still day and night difference atleast.
The game is still a year away to release and i remember that GFX of ND games keeps getting better after every gameplay trailer reveals.
They have done it in the past and thats why people will give them benefit of the doubt.

That's quite the assumption on your part. All we know is that the game won't be released this year.

Edit: This may be cynical, but I wonder how hard ND had to fight for more time. I imagine Sony couldn't have been pleased with the idea of having PlayStation All Stars and LittleBigKarting leading the charge for the rest of the year.

 

[Nirolak]

That's quite the assumption on your part. All we know is that the game won't be released this year.

Edit: This may be cynical, but I wonder how hard ND had to fight for more time. I imagine Sony couldn't have been pleased with the idea of having PlayStation All Stars and LittleBigKarting leading the charge for the rest of the year.

Probably not very hard. Launching a new IP this Fall seems like a pretty terrible idea, and I suspect that Dishonored will demonstrate this for us.

I imagine the game Sony really wanted was God of War: Ascension instead.

The game is still a year away to release

Given that graphics are one of the selling points of the game, I feel that releasing it after the next-gen consoles are fully unveiled would be a really bad idea.

 

[Loudninja]

The game is far off we know its not coming in the next 5 months.

Also we still dont know even a hint about the multiplayer,I say a Feb or March release.

 

[JaseC]

I imagine the game Sony really wanted was God of War: Ascension instead.

Ah, maybe.

 

[Chris_C]

Personally, I don't find the visuals appealing. They're great for consoles. This is mainly due to noticing all the tricks and shortcuts that take place in order to reach this level of visual fidelity. As a PC gamer, I've been spoiled, but I'd rather play a game that's not a low-res, blurry mess. The things that stand out to me most are the following:

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  No anisotropic filtering
  Shitty AA solution
  Low resolution textures
  Baked lighting
  Small, corridor-style environments
  Lack of shadows in certain areas

Whether or not the game itself is any good is a different story. I won't be buying it, seeing as I don't really play my bro's PS3 at all.

While this all true, no PC game comes close to matching the level of fidelity in terms of animation that Uncharted 2, 3 and TLOU reach. And I'd argue that only The Witcher 2 comes close to the level of detail Naughty Dog lavishes on environments.

 

[Metroid-Squadron]

While this all true, no PC game comes close to matching the level of fidelity in terms of animation that Uncharted 2, 3 and TLOU reach. And I'd argue that only The Witcher 2 comes close to the level of detail Naughty Dog lavishes on environments.

The AC games are pretty much on par with the Uncharted games animation-wise. The Last of Us seems much smoother though and they seem to be finally gotten rid of the skating.

 

[R_thanatos]

I don't think he's nitpicking these screens look horrible.The game looks great in motion but trying to defend console game screens like this is something i can't do.I guess all the bullshots have really gotten to me.

I wonder if all of you have high end pcs and can't enjoy consoles games , regardless of art direction or lightning effets because it's not a pc 2012 showcase ...

because those screens are a 2012 showcase of a 2006 console ..
It's impressive given what we had before ...

There are plenty of nice techniques on those shots and some people are focusing on small details that will probably change and on some technical little things that most likely will be removed/polished near release ( given ND track record )..

But you know ..it's horrible as you say , right ??

 

[likedamaster]

I can't see where this game looks good. The screens look terrible. I can point to a bunch of things that look bad.

From the looks of it, ND does not do 'drab' well. Maybe, the game will play better than it looks.

 

[adelante]

Good examples I remember a part where he goes up some stairs, then looks back and waits for her to go up the same stairs and you can see the soft shadow of her casting on the left wall (main light source - the sun outside - comes from the left, but the light is reflecting on the wall to the right) and then softly changes to cast harsher shadows directly from the sun. Looked really good and like nothing I've played before.

I was wowed by that EXACT SAME scene too! Even wanted to make another gif out of it but didn't wanna bog down this thread with 6MB gifs (as if pc IQ comparisons aren't doing that already)

digital foundry threads aren't entirely about comparison and judgment though, they're about graphics technology. and to be totally honest, those screens look like ass. that's some max payne 1 shit, right there.

Digital Foundry is talking about image quality. We are talking about image quality. It's completely relevant. Whether or not they are fair comparisons is another debate entirely, and it's mostly subjective. The fact is, the terrible IQ in the game bogs down the visuals. What some of us are saying is that we can't stand the bad IQ because of what we're used to, and some have provided examples. It's completely relevant, and it is definitely not trolling.

Some of you guys need to get in the habit of seeing justifiable opposing views on subjects.

But nowhere in the article have they expressed PC-standard expectations for the game's image quality. It is entirely about Naughty Dog's ability to push visual boundaries compared to their previous titles (and other games on the same hardware, which is why they brought up Sucker Punch's work on Infamous 2) all within the confines of console technology. Therefore the discussion can only remain relevant if you bring up similar examples; Feeding into unrealistic IQ comparisons is only gonna make you look like you're pushing a pro-pc agenda in here. Hence, "trolling".

 

[Eideka]

The AC games are pretty much on par with the Uncharted games animation-wise.

Very true. The AC 3 footage is mind blowing in that regard.

 

[Vulcano's assistant]

The AC games are pretty much on par with the Uncharted games animation-wise. The Last of Us seems much smoother though and they seem to be finally gotten rid of the skating.

Rage also has superb animation, though I agree that motion capture used by Naughty Dog is way less cartoony. Ninja Theory is their only close competitor I can think of.

 

[Synless]

digital foundry threads aren't entirely about comparison and judgment though, they're about graphics technology. and to be totally honest, those screens look like ass. that's some max payne 1 shit, right there.

Max Payne 1? Where the fuck do you people get this shit from?

 

[Ryoku]

But nowhere in the article have they expressed PC-standard expectations for the game's image quality. It is entirely about Naughty Dog's ability to push visual boundaries compared to their previous titles (and other games on the same hardware, which is why they brought up Sucker Punch's work on Infamous 2) all within the confines of console technology. Therefore the discussion can only remain relevant if you bring up similar examples; Feeding into unrealistic IQ comparisons is only gonna make you look like you're pushing a pro-pc agenda in here. Hence, "trolling".

Hey, if Digital Foundry wants to talk about IQ, I have no problem pointing out my opinions based on objective facts, and then comparing them to games with superb image quality to point out the differences. Whether or not people want to take them seriously is their problem. I see that the term "trolling" has lost its meaning entirely.

 

[adelante]

Hey, if Digital Foundry wants to talk about IQ, I have no problem pointing out my opinions based on objective facts. Whether or not people want to take them seriously is their problem. I see that the term "trolling" has lost its meaning entirely.

Again, it is about the context of the article, which you fail to see. If a thread is made about an article that delves into animations of a certain game, harping on why it doesn't live up to movie-standards of performance capture is gonna leave the discussion going nowhere. The same applies here.

 

[Eideka]

Hey, if Digital Foundry wants to talk about IQ, I have no problem pointing out my opinions based on objective facts, and then comparing them to games with superb image quality to point out the differences. Whether or not people want to take them seriously is their problem. I see that the term "trolling" has lost its meaning entirely.

You're completely right, people seem to assimilate any kind of divergent thinking as trolling.

You can rest assured that you are not trolling, neither am I by the way. I'm just stating my genuine, innocent opinion. I've never tried to downplay Naughty Dog's mastery when it comes to tech, on console they are unparalleled.

 

[NBtoaster]

Again, it is about the context of the article, which you fail to see. If a thread is made about an article that delves into animations of a certain game, harping on why it doesn't live up to movie-standards of performance capture is gonna leave the discussion going nowhere. The same applies here.

Well in regards to IQ there are many console games that manage better. Even most FXAA implementations.

 

[adelante]

Well in regards to IQ there are many console games that manage better. Even most FXAA implementations.

Heh I don't disagree to that... in fact I'd love if we talk about such examples.

It is one thing to bring an unfair comparison into a discussion but to keep raising it up and have the discussion deviate from its original context of the article? C'mon..

 

[piotr47]

Come on guys..... Complaining about The last of US graphics?.......


Are you freakin' insane????

 

[adelante]

Come on guys..... Complaining about The last of US graphics?.......


Are you freakin' insane????

Heh their complaints are valid, most of it just misplaced that's all.

 

[Raide]

Looking good but I personally cannot wait to see what ND do with Next-Gen tech.

 

[Cave Johnson]

Can you guys imagine what would happen if SONY allowed a PC-port for their PS3 exclusives? I would really wonder what at would be like when their games run at 1080p 60fps with all the details on.

Personally I think the Resistance franchise could easily find themselves a fanbase in this sector especially when given the treatment Alan Wake had.

 

[revolverjgw]

Can you guys imagine what would happen if SONY allowed a PC-port for their PS3 exclusives? I would really wonder what at would be like when their games run at 1080p 60fps with all the details on.

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Killzone 2 in 1080p, 60fps and a wider FOV would break my brain. It annihilates every other grimdark FPS aesthetically, it's just too bad about the technical flaws.

I'm not port begging, I'm just sayin'

 

[SapientWolf]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17I_l9PTjlk Does not look way better at all compared to the footage I posted IMO. Maybe when I actually see it running on my comp my opinion will change.

The biggest graphical benefits of going PC are viewing angle, IQ and framerates IMHO, and YouTube isn't a good way to compare those things.

The Last of Us will probably look just fine in the living room. If you move away from the computer monitor the minor flaws already become hard to spot. But so do the details.