LittleJohnny
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DF analysis has been spot on and the most reliable imo, just because 360 won most of those head to heads doesn't mean they're in MS back pockets, it's called reality.
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DigitalFoundry: X1 memory performance improved for production console/ESRAM 192 GB/s)
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DF analysis has been spot on and the most reliable imo, just because 360 won most of those head to heads doesn't mean they're in MS back pockets, it's called reality.
Tripolygon
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People need to stop saying this.., If a game runs 60fps on PS4 developers will find ways to make it run 60fps on Xbone. There are already game which are targeted to 60fps on Xbone and PS4.
You don't need to be an expert. I mean do you guys really think the Microsoft engineers are like this when working with the machine 5 months before release:
C'mon...
Oh, I'm sure Microsoft developers are figuring out various methods of, punching above their weight class, so to speak. That's kind of the norm for consoles, as the devs get into the nitty gritty of the hardware, they find various little loop-holes to exploit, to pull out more horsepower. The Sony devs will be discovering the same sort of loopholes about now, though they may not be memory bandwidth specific in their case.
One or two years from now, we'll start seeing the benefits of all these, discoveries. Though I would expect them to be utilized more heavily in exclusives than on multi-plats.
Still, having some expertise does matter, at least in relation to trying to explain/discern little issues like this one.
What math?
If you have info, share it. It sucks when people tease stuff like that and then stay quiet.
NoirVisage
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Their new brand of spin is confusion, that's all I'm taking away from this, DF should have known better than to post something with so little concrete information.
the only thing I'll say about their head to heads... is that the MAJORITY of the time when they'd essentially call the head to head "to close to call" they would almost always lean to the side of the 360.. and it would be like "IQ is slightly better on PS3, but frame rate is better on 360. 360!" and then on a different one "IQ is slightly better on 360, but frame rate is slightly better on PS3. 360!"
This explains nothing - so a major leak going to happen? Or are you just guessing?
phosphor112
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The whole 88% higher thing. Makes no sense. At all. It has nothing to do with the frequency of the GPU or the bit depth. So getting a concrete number... like 88% is just a made up number.
Vestal
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Then you are attacking perceived BS with your own brand of BS??
LabouredSubterfuge
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I would fucking love it if this actually turns out to be confirmation of the downclock :lol
Kabuki Quantum Lover
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Atari math, perhaps.
It says "theoretical" - or are you hinting at someone confirming a downclock?
What the hell is this even supposed to mean? Lol
phosphor112
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I think he's guessing cboat or someone will say something.
I think it's a downclock, but now they are trying to double the access (read/write) the eSRAM.
link1201
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You're acting as if this was a MS press release or something.
Maybe I'm too dismissive of some comments here, but the content of the article seems to offer a reasonable "counterpoint" to the view that this is somehow a downgrade. The new info seems unequivocally good, and offers retorts to some of the unsubstantiated but assumed negative rumors about the hardware profile.
LittleJohnny
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I just want to know when did TFLOP performance become a relevant measuring factor again? lol
nVidia's GTX 680 = 3.1 TFLOPS
AMDs 7970 = 3.8 TFLOPS
Whoa! why is everyone flocking to GTX 680s then? 7970 must be KILLING the GTX 680.
Difference between PS4 and Xbox One = 7970 vs GTX 680 confirmed! >D
dragonelite
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That is an apple vs oranges comparison.
In ps4 and X1 case its an smaller apple vs bigger apple comparison.
LabouredSubterfuge
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Nvidia flops =/= AMD flops
Both these consoles have AMD GPUs so your hail mary of a post just fell flat on its tits.
Osiris
I permanently banned my 6 year old daughter from using the PS4 for mistakenly sending grief reports as it's too hard to watch or talk to her
You know teasing like this is heavily frowned upon here, to the point of severe risk to your account.
If you know something, spill it or you should have kept quiet, if it was personal speculation, it should have been presented as such.
From what I understand it's the former.
Wont get away with what? Having a weaker console? They did fine with it last generation.
Not necesseraly but possible. 750Mhz would fit perfectly. But MS just doing some totally weird math to sugar-coat their spec-sheet is in the race as well.
Let's just wait and see how things turn out.
You know that MS said this to devs and not to any news sites... It's not a PR stunt they try to pull here...
What did they do?
phosphor112
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Not possible. Because that means the GPU clock rate is doubled (Calm your shit Kotaku, I'm using this as an example). They are saying they are doing a read AND write at the same time. So it "doubles" the bandwidth... (102x2 = 204GB/s)
Except they said 88% increase... = 192GB/s... but... where the fuck did that number come from? Why wouldn't it be able to be a 100% increase? Well... because you'd have things trying to right and read to conflicting spots at the same time.
So that's why they say "realistically" it's 133GB/s....
But wait... if the 88% increase isn't account for those conflicts and data misses... then how did they make up that number?
So...currently.. they say:
128 (bit) x 800 (clock rate) = 102.4GB/s
Well.. downclocking the GPU from 800 to 750 (going down 50) will get you...
128 (bit) x 750 (clock rate) = 96GB/s
Double that since they are saying you can read/write at the same time...
96 x 2 = 192GB/s
So... several of us are thinking this 88% thing is just a bullshit number they came up with after changing around their GPU clock and "double accessing" the RAM.
LukasTaves
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I understand the math, but DF say Ms is still telling developers that the 102.4GB/s is the number for full single write or read operations, and that there were no downgrade.
As for 192GB/s it doesn't make much sense to begin with... How do you by chance design something with a fully bidirectional bus and just happens to find out on the eve of the console launch?
So now they are not reliable because this article doesn't fit to your personal preference? Or do you know more about the matter then they do?
Vestal
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You made a post implying that something was awry as if you had some facts to back it up and that everything would be cleared up in a few hours. Even using Spoiler to black out part of the text saying MS would pay for something.
Making wild accusations like that with no actual facts or substance to your argument really derails a conversation as you have seen over the past 2 pages.
LittleJohnny
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Flops are flops, now they're supposed to be different??
Here's a good one:
DDR3 bandwidth =/= GDDR5 bandwidth, therefore cannot be compared either... amirite?
or could it be
"positive reveals" about PS4 are in fact just full tech disclosures
"positive reveals" about XBONE are in fact just PR spin using behind the scenes numbers and fuzzy math
I would LOVE, as in genuinely applaud them, for MS to come out and say "these are the specs of our system". It would honestly end a lot of debate AND negativity. This spinning numbers in one breath and then downplaying comparisons in the next is just the same sort of PR failure that they've been exhibiting since the original presser.
his statement was wrong... but his intent is still true. Nvidia compared to AMD is pointless in numbers like FLOPs because of architecture differences.. but that's not what's happening here. This is basically comparing a 7770 to a 7850.. i.e. same basic architecture.. and when comparing say the Radeon family (usually in a price to performance comparison) the FLOPs within the family are an easy "at-a-glance" comparison tool. of course most sites at that point just use FPS regardless.
This "information" is pure PR bullshit. As simple as that. Leave that to Kotaku, Polygon or even GT, but a serious media like Digital Foundry isn't for this kind of shit.
what? Floating point operations are floating point operations. Doesn't matter on which kind of GPU.
This.
It's not like realizing you can upclock you GPU by 50mhz because the yields are better than expected.
Bus Design, Pipeline Design, etc. were done a long time ago...
Very plausible, though of course we won't know for certain for awhile.
So MS now tries to fool it's own devs with some PR? Why can't you accept this information as a given? Where is your proof that this is pure PR bullshit?
A Human Becoming
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That was my first thought reading the thread title. #InCBOATWeTrust
Why is this spin? I don't see any concrete evidence to say that, just speculations.
LittleJohnny
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Hysterical isn't it? but wait, this one's even better:
DDR3 bandwidth =/= GDDR5 bandwidth so comparing the two is flawed.
where is your proof this isnt tho?
Tripolygon
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Which kind of flops would you say are the best kind of flops?
That's not really how the burden of proof works.
NoirVisage
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dude, its DF, rumors, whatever the source may be, aren't usually their style.
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