perfectchaos007
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I'm on team NX Fall 2017 so thats what I'm feeling. That investor meeting where they projected a March release was just to keep up investor morale so the cash flow could continue to come in while they continued to R&D NX imo
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DigiTimes: Foxconn trialing production of NX, ~10m units expected annually
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I'm on team NX Fall 2017 so thats what I'm feeling. That investor meeting where they projected a March release was just to keep up investor morale so the cash flow could continue to come in while they continued to R&D NX imo
This thread is exactly why you don't announce things too early.
BlazingDarkness
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Feels like we've been hearing about NX for ages now
When can we actually expect it to be revealed?
When can we actually expect it to be revealed?
wonderful103
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How about team August
Smiles and Cries
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I would like to see Nintendo keep quiet until January to witness the drama that would cause lol
Dark Cloud
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Announcing the NX exists?
perfectchaos007
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The latter part of Summer wouldn't be the opportune time to release a console but who knows
tbh I'll have some withdrawl from the daily NX speculation threads once this thing is announced. The mods wont but I will
I'm not one to jump to conclusions or get flustered over rumors, but if Nintendo delays this thing, I'm gonna blow a fucking gasket.
Yes. Lets say they announced it in early/mid Sept like everyone was clamoring for and a release window. They go into production and hit some roadbumps, and have to delay. They then have to put out another PR a month later saying the NX is delayed. That would not give stockholders much confidence at all in the product.
Yep, that scares me a little. I'll try my hand at preorder, if I can't the first time, then I'll probably wait a while. I really do t want to go through the hassle that was getting a Wii.
For the millionth time, they did it so people wouldn't think they were abandoning dedicated hardware after the dena partnership announcement.
DXB-KNIGHT
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Wii shortages comes to mind
Skittzo0413
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I really have never understood this reasoning.
What does stock price have to do with cash flow? Why does March make investors happy? Since it's still in FY2016? Why is that somehow better than in FY2017?
If they thought they were going to have to change the launch date they would need to revise their earnings forecast, and investors don't like that. So I really don't get what kind of benefit they would have by putting out a placeholder date at the end of FY2016 that they assumed would change. Maybe someone could explain it better for me?
VendettaRed07
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It's not so high though that if they don't reach it, it won't be a disaster
Like how many Wiius did Nintendo expect to sell in its first year? Like 18-20 million? Lol
Also, I suppose things can change if, you know, the console sells so well that quicker production is required.
Also, about Emily Rogers: a few hours later that tweet you already mentioned, she tweeted how the DigiTimes article "corroborated" what she said in her tiny blog post update.
So you expect Nintendo to have almost nothing for Wii U and a very few games for the rest of 2017 up till NX release? This is what Nintendo did with DS and Wii and that cost them a lot
VendettaRed07
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Also a march release will give them enough time for a second round of production so there isn't a shortage of they feel they need to shortly after launch
So these are after the "bad news" tweets?
Of what use are projected sell numbers at this point though?
Nintendo has not even shown off the thing yet - has not had any way of gauging public interest - so how could any projected sell numbers be meaningful at this point? What parameters do they use to predict how popular it might be?
Theoretically, if they had the numbers to crunch and predict how much a certain new product is going to sell, couldn't they use the same information to, instead, create the next hypothetical "big thing"? Or does it have more to do with the manufacturing side of things than the market side?
In other words, why would a company ever suggest a conservative estimate for their product prior to putting it on the market, if it risks appearing like a lack of confidence in that product?
Nintendo has not even shown off the thing yet - has not had any way of gauging public interest - so how could any projected sell numbers be meaningful at this point? What parameters do they use to predict how popular it might be?
Theoretically, if they had the numbers to crunch and predict how much a certain new product is going to sell, couldn't they use the same information to, instead, create the next hypothetical "big thing"? Or does it have more to do with the manufacturing side of things than the market side?
In other words, why would a company ever suggest a conservative estimate for their product prior to putting it on the market, if it risks appearing like a lack of confidence in that product?
randomengine
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Who are these people saying 10 mil units a year is shit?
Playstation 4 is selling around 15-20 mil units a year and is considered the fastest selling playstation ever. More than the PS2.
The Playstation 2 sold approximately 155 million units over 13 years. That's about 12 million units a year.
Sure sales are craggy. But as someone has said before, the fact that Wii U didn't sell through most of it's initial shipment, it made manufacturing a smaller, more efficient machine, a new edition, or offering a price drop were impossible.
Nintendo is doing the right thing, especially with a hybrid handheld device. There will be new editions of this hardware sold just like the DS family of systems.
Playstation 4 is selling around 15-20 mil units a year and is considered the fastest selling playstation ever. More than the PS2.
The Playstation 2 sold approximately 155 million units over 13 years. That's about 12 million units a year.
Sure sales are craggy. But as someone has said before, the fact that Wii U didn't sell through most of it's initial shipment, it made manufacturing a smaller, more efficient machine, a new edition, or offering a price drop were impossible.
Nintendo is doing the right thing, especially with a hybrid handheld device. There will be new editions of this hardware sold just like the DS family of systems.
Dark Cloud
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I don't think 10 million for the first year is really showing any problems. I think some of these guys said the Wii U was forecasted around 10 million for its first year and then adjusted after that depending on how good or bad it did.
I think we'll get the reveal by mid October the latest and then Nintendo can talk all about the NX to its investors. Also, if they have other NX systems/forms and not sure if that would be calculated into this 10 million, yet.
Bruh, why are you quoting me? Lol
I know why they announced the existence of the NX. It's exactly what you said for.
Yeah, just be ready to preorder on whichever website you use lol.Yep, that scares me a little. I'll try my hand at preorder, if I can't the first time, then I'll probably wait a while. I really do t want to go through the hassle that was getting a Wii.
I'll probably be waiting in line at midnight. I enjoying doing it when I have others to do it with.
JoshuaJSlone
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DS, 3DS, Wii all shipped well over 10 million their first year on the market. Wii U, not so much.
As some may remember, there were more Wiis available than any near-launch home console ever. (and still got shit for "intentional shortages")
Did it? I don't have NPD at hand, but considering all of North America they'd shipped 10 million by day 500. By the end of its second full year NA shipments were somewhere over 15 million, and this was still its sell-everything-it-ships phase.
Yeah, she started tweeting on the article 8 hours ago, while the "bad news" one is from 12 hours ago.
perfectchaos007
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Yes. At the 2016 investors meeting if they were to announce the system would not be launched until the 2017 FY, investor confidence would have tanked, it would have caused the stock prices and therefor net worth of the company to tank as well.
Seems like Nintendo does have enough content for 3DS to keep it going steady for the next 12 months. As for Wii U, it really can't get any more dead than it already has been for the last couple of years so Nintendo isn't really concerned about maintaining momentum from the previous generation at this point since the Wii U never had any momentum to begin with. They're going to take all the time they need to get NX exactly how they want it before launch
Ah cool, thanks for clarification.
I've decided I'm reading albertos posts as the manufacturing process is complex or purposefully done at a slower pace and they'll not have huge amounts by March, hence why he'd be surprised if it launches then because who wouldn't want loads of consoles at launch.
My view is that Nintendo don't want a repeat of wii u situation where there were far too many, stores were returning unsold stock etc
randomengine
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Well it may be the case that both the March folks and the Delay folks are right. The system will launch in March, but won't have enough systems for everyone until November.
James Scott
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I'm not entirely sure what this means. Does this mean they can only make 10M a year or that they only expect 10M a year? 3DS took its first year to reach 11M sales (IIRC) so it wouldn't be too far off for its first year sales and Wii U took several years to reach that mark.
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Isn't DigiTimes the one that said "NX will enter production in early 2017" (likely meaning a delay) and then they reported differently a few months ago?
randomengine
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As long as I get one at launch
I am sure that's why folks like us check the daily NX threads. At some point it's gonna say pre-orders available and at the moment I will want to be online with card in hand.
I hope Best Buy gives their Gamers Club members preference with pre-orders.
I stood in line in the winter for a Wii, only to not get one and have the dude in front of me offer his ticket for one at an inflated price. Fuck those days.
If Nintendo found themselves in that situation, it would definitely be because of things beyond their control. I think we'd see a lot of Wii U -> 3DS ports, for what it's worth...
randomengine
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Did you see the last Nintendo direct?
Poochy and Yoshi's Woolly World
Mario Maker for 3DS
...
That's in addition to games like:
Hyrule Warriors Legends
Smash Bros for 3DS
Serenitynow
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I just straight up asked Emily on twitter if she was referring to NX. Hopefully she can just provide a straight answer. Everyone is so tired of this game. At this point any "insider" should just be clear or else say nothing at all.
Obviously doesn't apply if she wasn't referring to NX, but she HAS to know that vague tweets like those are going to give her a ton of attention.
Obviously doesn't apply if she wasn't referring to NX, but she HAS to know that vague tweets like those are going to give her a ton of attention.
Papacheeks
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Means possibly issues in manufacturing which was a rumor during E3, but now seems with the thread about foxconn production starting up for NX seems likely there were issues while back. And if that was on chip maker end or whoever it would make sense what ALbert is hearing for 10 Million being produced for the year which isn't good if it comes out in March.
And that would be because if production is now ramping up into full production as per the rumor tweets by Emily Rogers, then that means they have less than 6 months to make enough for launch. And if they only are gauging to be able to produce 10Million that's short for how demand could be leading up to fall of 2017. Means it might be a Wii issue where there were shortages(dont remember what cause those).
To put it into perspective, XBox and PS4 sold 3 Million in it's launch period. That's over a third of what the rumor is for so called 10 million for the year.
Why are we assuming bad news about the NX would make her loose sleep?
It's probably unrelated.
Skittzo0413
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Why would they be okay with taking the confidence/stock hit now (or soon) by announcing a delay but not okay with taking that hit when they announced the release month officially?
Also Nintendo's investors haven't seemed to put any interest in their dedicated hardware now that they are doing mobile games. Their stock price really only moves in response to mobile announcements now, and for the past year or so.
Also consider Nintendo hasn't officially delayed hardware that's been given an official release month since the N64, so this is not even close to a habit for them.
randomengine
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10 million a year in 6 months would be 5 million at launch, correct? Or are we saying by the end of 2017 there would be 10 million?
BluePikmin11
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Have you guys seen this yet?
https://twitter.com/JulienChieze/status/779271565548466176
Man, I'm getting so nervous.
https://twitter.com/JulienChieze/status/779271565548466176
Man, I'm getting so nervous.
James Scott
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Would there be any reason for them to be stuck at a 10M per year max after year one? Would seem weird.
Planning 10M year one seems like a safe bet. 3DS did a bit more than that and if it takes off I imagine they can try something else or at least benefit from there not being an overwhelming supply.
Also, can't "annual production" mean the estimate of 2017?
I don't understand French. What does it say?
Kissenkopf
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He is just hanging around at the Nintendo building. Why getting nervous?
Sup?
Is it Tuesday already?
Volumes.
TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared
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