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[Terrell]

Yes, it does seem very unlikely indeed. Zen seems like it will be a fairly low-power core, however. Breaking compatibility w/ 3DS would seem...unwise. That is unless they truly see NX as a "third pillar." In a way, that might ease the hearts of pissed-off new 3DS owners who would have held out until next year for a compatible system, though. Still, this is all crazy talk.

3DS native compatibility was already on the cutting room floor. 3DS has already been acknowledged as not having an architecture carry-over like Wii U.
Not to say backwards compatibility can't or won't be there, but it won't be native, and that will be a first for Nintendo. But perhaps a necessary first.

 

[KoopaTheCasual]

I'm super late to the party but does anyone have any idea where QoL fits into any of this?...

 

[Jorok Goldblade]

I'm super late to the party but does anyone have any idea where QoL fits into any of this?...

NX Is "dedicated games hardware," and pretty much confirmed in E3 comments to be the Wii U replacement. QoL isn't dedicated games hardware.

 

[Schnozberry]

Yes, it does seem very unlikely indeed. Zen seems like it will be a fairly low-power core, however. Breaking compatibility w/ 3DS would seem...unwise. That is unless they truly see NX as a "third pillar." In a way, that might ease the hearts of pissed-off new 3DS owners who would have held out until next year for a compatible system, though. Still, this is all crazy talk.

There's no reason why Nintendo couldn't go x86 or PowerPC in the console space and ARM in the mobile space, ss long as the development environment can support both, which is common for SDK's these days. I think too much speculation focus is being placed on making the mobile and console hardware identical or in the same family of chips. I don't think that's what Iwata is referencing when he means streamlining development. I think he means designing the SDK and their in house engines to support however many different devices and form factors they intend to release from day one, rather than having a divided house for mobile and console software. Android's SDK supports ARM, MIPS, x86, PowerPC, etc. Unity supports just about everything as well. It's really just a matter of having competent tools ready to hand over developers from day one, which was not the case with the 3DS and Wii U.

 

[Refreshment.01]

There's no reason why Nintendo couldn't go x86 or PowerPC in the console space and ARM in the mobile space, ss long as the development environment can support both, which is common for SDK's these days. I think too much speculation focus is being placed on making the mobile and console hardware identical or in the same family of chips. I don't think that's what Iwata is referencing when he means streamlining development. I think he means designing the SDK and their in house engines to support however many different devices and form factors they intend to release from day one, rather than having a divided house for mobile and console software. Android's SDK supports ARM, MIPS, x86, PowerPC, etc. Unity supports just about everything as well. It's really just a matter of having competent tools ready to hand over developers from day one, which was not the case with the 3DS and Wii U.

BUt why then, Nintendo didn't do that with Wii U/3DS? i was suggesting this some years ago to help with their 3rd party situation.

Moreover, in terms of input and interface the Wii U and 3DS are very close to each other, facilitating porting games across them. Funny enough Nintendo sees the value to do this (Smash, 3D Land, Zelda Musou), so why they didn't began to stablish a base that allows 3DS software to easily transition to Wii U?

With the above in mind that's why some people are right to think that maybe both handheld and home console will not only share the OS but also the hardware architecture.

 

[KingBroly]

BUt why then, Nintendo didn't do that with Wii U/3DS? i was suggesting this some years ago to help with their 3rd party situation.

Moreover, in terms of input and interface the Wii U and 3DS are very close to each other, facilitating porting games across them. Funny enough Nintendo sees the value to do this (Smash, 3D Land, Zelda Musou), so why they didn't began to stablish a base that allows 3DS software to easily transition to Wii U?

With the above in mind that's why some people are right to think that maybe both handheld and home console will not only share the OS but also the hardware architecture.

Well, with 3DS they apparently got burned by Nvidia not meeting benchmarks or something like that and had to get a new GPU for it. For Wii U, I think they were deadset on BC and low wattage rather than starting from scratch on a new architecture like everyone else. I honestly think 3DS' problems bled into Wii U where it sort of exploded in their face.

Nintendo isn't the type of company that will change unless something goes really wrong. But that's really on the hardware front. Software wise, they usually continue for a game or two before they realized they killed the brand.

 

[valkillmore]

Nintendo hardware lately always has a 'twist,' like an M. Night movie. Wii had waggle, Wii U had the Gamepad. What will NX have?

I suspect it will . . . double as a projector! Projecting the gameplay images onto a wall. No need for a TV whatsoever. Would support confusion over whether it's a dedicated home console/portable console/hybrid.

 

[Chittagong]

I'm super late to the party but does anyone have any idea where QoL fits into any of this?...

I think QoL was shit Iwata made up for investors while they were getting mobile and NX plans in place

 

[joesiv]

Well, with 3DS they apparently got burned by Nvidia not meeting benchmarks or something like that and had to get a new GPU for it. For Wii U, I think they were deadset on BC and low wattage rather than starting from scratch on a new architecture like everyone else. I honestly think 3DS' problems bled into Wii U where it sort of exploded in their face.

Nintendo isn't the type of company that will change unless something goes really wrong. But that's really on the hardware front. Software wise, they usually continue for a game or two before they realized they killed the brand.

I think your missing refreshments point. The 3ds and Wii u are very different architectures, and its being said that a single dev environment could support different architectures (arm, x86, etc), why couldn't they just do it for Wii and 3ds?

And frankly they experimented with it for smash. But since they are waiting for nx, to for full bang, it would seem that something with nx is going to make the cross compatibility easier, clearly using the same architecture would be the stupid easy way to do it. When talking low level programming for CPU and gpu, the difference between arm and x86 isn't trivial, its not just implementing a check box in your IDE. Getting it working in one engine such as unreal or game maker is a huge investment, similar to gpu programming, unless you are relying on open gl or something to do the abstraction for you (maybe they could use Vulcan though....)

So it is possible that they could mix architectures, but given nintendos ide chops as proven throughout history, it would seem Nintendo is trying to unify things to make it simpler.

 

[RiverBed]

 

[Refreshment.01]

I suspect it will . . . double as a projector! Projecting the gameplay images onto a wall. No need for a TV whatsoever. Would support confusion over whether it's a dedicated home console/portable console/hybrid.

i don't know if you are mostly jesting but proyectors are a really cool piece of technology with lots of potential and they have been gething rather small, impresively so. Even if not as a videogame accessory exclusively i would like to see more of them in daily live.

I think your missing refreshments point. The 3ds and Wii u are very different architectures, and its being said that a single dev environment could support different architectures (arm, x86, etc), why couldn't they just do it for Wii and 3ds?

And frankly they experimented with it for smash. But since they are waiting for nx, to for full bang, it would seem that something with nx is going to make the cross compatibility easier, clearly using the same architecture would be the stupid easy way to do it. When talking low level programming for CPU and gpu, the difference between arm and x86 isn't trivial, its not just implementing a check box in your IDE. Getting it working in one engine such as unreal or game maker is a huge investment, similar to gpu programming, unless you are relying on open gl or something to do the abstraction for you (maybe they could use Vulcan though....)

So it is possible that they could mix architectures, but given nintendos ide chops as proven throughout history, it would seem Nintendo is trying to unify things to make it simpler.

Rather impressed with this post independently if you agree with it or not. It's the first time in this board i' ve seen someone understanding exactly what i said without me needing to requote dozens of post to keep the context.

It feels so... strange.

 

[AniHawk]

okay. so.

leading up to e3 or so, i was pretty confident in what nintendo was showing would be leading them to a console ready in 2016 with basically the combined support of the wii u and 3ds. after e3, it became even more apparent to me that they could very well likely have a platform that would support such an environment quite well. level-5, monster hunter, sonic, atlus titles, k-t stuff, and b-n stuff would probably be the majority of third-party support.

i had also not seen certain people posting and didn't account for what seems to be a total loss of square-enix support, aside from perhaps some token support in the future (like what happened with rise of the tomb raider, although i doubt nintendo will outright buy a title).

now i'm thinking there really is little left for them if sony's trying to consolidate japanese gaming to their side in a major way. i think that you can go with games announced in the last year as a decent barometer of the level of support nintendo can expect from third-parties.

recently, the monster hunter series has had a lot of support in the way of nintendo launching it next to new 3ds, getting monster hunter stories, that weird psp update, and monster hunter x. nintendo is also doing level-5 a solid recently and promoting inazuma eleven, lbx, and yo-kai watch, while also having been a longtime partner with them for professor layton. k-t and nintendo have made a lot of games together in the last five years. i don't think that relationship is going anywhere soon after the success of hyrule warriors, and the port to 3ds. atlus and nintendo have a solid relationship that seemed to be secured in 2012 with smt iv and smt x fe. in a similar situation, nintendo's been somewhat close to sega, having gotten exclusive sonic games out of them, and some worthless yakuza ports that probably wouldn't have happened outside of someone at nintendo asking for them in particular. if anything, i expect the next sonic to be a multiplatform title though.

i had actually thought the nx would get some support from square-enix too. the 3ds had seen quite a lot of it, with new franchises, big sellers, and some of their top franchises on the platform. now it seems it might get the token release if it gets anything. i'm actually wondering what might be left for them in japan for support, especially for a release in 2016.

perhaps sony had been going around in 2013 and started securing these kinds of deals while nintendo was unable to match them. it might explain why nintendo became a bit closer with level-5, platinum, capcom, k-t, and atlus in the meantime. for the first time, i'm actually thinking the nx's third-party lineup might be bare, as i had expected the ps4 to be a more western console when sony seems more keen on trying to recreate the ps1 in a sense.

 

[luffeN]

i had actually thought the nx would get some support from square-enix too.

What if some of the PS4 games announced at E3 still launch on NX but they were not allowed to mention it? Not even in the sense of "and on another, as of yet unannounced console"?

 

[Mpl90]

okay. so.

leading up to e3 or so, i was pretty confident in what nintendo was showing would be leading them to a console ready in 2016 with basically the combined support of the wii u and 3ds. after e3, it became even more apparent to me that they could very well likely have a platform that would support such an environment quite well. level-5, monster hunter, sonic, atlus titles, k-t stuff, and b-n stuff would probably be the majority of third-party support.

i had also not seen certain people posting and didn't account for what seems to be a total loss of square-enix support, aside from perhaps some token support in the future (like what happened with rise of the tomb raider, although i doubt nintendo will outright buy a title).

now i'm thinking there really is little left for them if sony's trying to consolidate japanese gaming to their side in a major way. i think that you can go with games announced in the last year as a decent barometer of the level of support nintendo can expect from third-parties.

recently, the monster hunter series has had a lot of support in the way of nintendo launching it next to new 3ds, getting monster hunter stories, that weird psp update, and monster hunter x. nintendo is also doing level-5 a solid recently and promoting inazuma eleven, lbx, and yo-kai watch, while also having been a longtime partner with them for professor layton. k-t and nintendo have made a lot of games together in the last five years. i don't think that relationship is going anywhere soon after the success of hyrule warriors, and the port to 3ds. atlus and nintendo have a solid relationship that seemed to be secured in 2012 with smt iv and smt x fe. in a similar situation, nintendo's been somewhat close to sega, having gotten exclusive sonic games out of them, and some worthless yakuza ports that probably wouldn't have happened outside of someone at nintendo asking for them in particular. if anything, i expect the next sonic to be a multiplatform title though.

i had actually thought the nx would get some support from square-enix too. the 3ds had seen quite a lot of it, with new franchises, big sellers, and some of their top franchises on the platform. now it seems it might get the token release if it gets anything. i'm actually wondering what might be left for them in japan for support, especially for a release in 2016.

perhaps sony had been going around in 2013 and started securing these kinds of deals while nintendo was unable to match them. it might explain why nintendo became a bit closer with level-5, platinum, capcom, k-t, and atlus in the meantime. for the first time, i'm actually thinking the nx's third-party lineup might be bare, as i had expected the ps4 to be a more western console when sony seems more keen on trying to recreate the ps1 in a sense.

Well, as you already said: Capcom, SEGA, K-T, Namco, Level 5 and Atlus should be there at launch. And...why would you think that their combined efforts should automatically result in a bare lineup at launch or even later. They can release relevant stuff, so I don't see the problem.

Also, while it's true that S-E currently is concentrating on the PS Ecosystem, I can't see them abandoning Nintendo consoles, especially future ones. NX being powerful enough and (probably) a pretty good seller in Japan will probably make it far easier to get PS4/PS3/Vita games from them, while currently tech is subpar (3DS) / future perspective is less than subpar (Wii U). Considering how PS3 is well into its twilight years, and that Vita won't get a successor probably, having just PS4/Vita won't be enough for third parties in Japan for traditional console games.

 

[Neoxon]

What if some of the PS4 games announced at E3 still launch on NX but they were not allowed to mention it? Not even in the sense of "and on another, as of yet unannounced console"?

That would depend on a number of things...

• Is there an audience for [insert third party game here] on Nintendo platforms. 9/10 times, the answer to this would be no. But games like Kingdom Hearts 3 & FFXV (of the third party games that we know of) have an audience on Nintendo platforms, especially KH3.
• How powerful is the NX? My gut is telling me "cheap Nintendo Box that's not much more powerful than the Wii U", & current rumors seem to be pointing in that direction, but there's still the off chance that the NX could come close enough to current hardware that games like Kingdom Hearts 3 can run on it. Bare minimum, Nintendo may try to get UE4 running on the hardware with bare minimum specs for the sake of indies.
• Did Sony &/or Microsoft have some sort of deal in place to keep third party companies from porting their games over to the NX?
• Will the developers get NX dev kits soon enough to start porting the game in time?

 

[Oregano]

Yup I'm firmly on Anihawk's page. I've been saying pretty much the same thing in the Media Create thread.

NX is going to be the uncomfortable middle ground between mobile and PlayStation and third parties are going to freeze it out big time.

 

[OrbitalBeard]

What if some of the PS4 games announced at E3 still launch on NX but they were not allowed to mention it? Not even in the sense of "and on another, as of yet unannounced console"?

Reminds me of a theory people had before Wii U launched.

 

[Mpl90]

Yup I'm firmly on Anihawk's page. I've been saying pretty much the same thing in the Media Create thread.

NX is going to be the uncomfortable middle ground between mobile and PlayStation and third parties are going to freeze it out big time.

Can I play the trumpet of death for third parties even on Nintendo handhelds, then? I mean, you're so eager since last year to note "Oh, noez, 3DS doesn't seem to have enough third party support now!!! The tragedy!!! SONY MONEY WINS, BIATCHES" that I can't understand why you're so eager to proclame that, seeing SE's actions, NX (being a substitute to both 3DS and Wii U, thus also to a platform with a pretty good third party support) won't get it almost at all. I'm so oblivious at your feelings, really.

 

[AniHawk]

Also, while it's true that S-E currently is concentrating on the PS Ecosystem, I can't see them abandoning Nintendo consoles, especially future ones. NX being powerful enough and (probably) a pretty good seller in Japan will probably make it far easier to get PS4/PS3/Vita games from them, while currently tech is subpar (3DS) / future perspective is less than subpar (Wii U). Considering how PS3 is well into its twilight years, and that Vita won't get a successor probably, having just PS4/Vita won't be enough for third parties in Japan for traditional console games.

at least through 2016, square enix can treat the playstation systems as its own userbase. it's roughly 130 million worldwide.

after that, and after the ps3 and vita fade off, finally and completely, it might be that the ps4 will have absorbed that remaining userbase in japan to a point where it's honestly competing against nintendo's remaining userbase in japan. a situation where the ps4 can hit 6-7 million consoles sold where nintendo might do 10-12m nx units.

ue4 support seems like a good idea if only for the indie support, but i have my doubts, i also have doubts nintendo sees downports of even stuff that makes sense regarding nintendo's fanbase, like kh3.

i don't know. i think s-e dropping off is more like a signal than anything. dragon quest was, by and large, their actual support. everything else was spinoff games and c-tier teams giving it a shot. with game budgets growing, and mobile becoming ever-popular in japan, i don't know why they would focus teams on an also-ran worldwide.

 

[The Giant]

I'm expect with the next gen handheld, that if sony isn't making a next gen handheld. The NX handheld will get more support from the devs that make vita games.

 

[Neoxon]

Well, as you already said: Capcom, SEGA, K-T, Namco, Level 5 and Atlus should be there at launch. And...why would you think that their combined efforts should automatically result in a bare lineup at launch or even later. They can release relevant stuff, so I don't see the problem.

Also, while it's true that S-E currently is concentrating on the PS Ecosystem, I can't see them abandoning Nintendo consoles, especially future ones. NX being powerful enough and (probably) a pretty good seller in Japan will probably make it far easier to get PS4/PS3/Vita games from them, while currently tech is subpar (3DS) / future perspective is less than subpar (Wii U). Considering how PS3 is well into its twilight years, and that Vita won't get a successor probably, having just PS4/Vita won't be enough for third parties in Japan for traditional console games.

But the question is, what would they bring to the NX's launch (assuming 2016 as the system's release)?

• Sega: They'll probably give the NX whatever Sonic Team is making for Sonic's 25th Anniversary.
• Capcom: They're busy making Monster Hunter X for the 3DS, as well as Street Fighter V (which is permanently locked down to the PS4 as far as consoles go). I don't think they'll have anything for either version of the NX on Day 1.
• K-T: At most they'll give the NX a remaster of Hyrule Warriors (if the system's powerful enough, with the game running at 1080p/60fps) with all of the DLC included.
• Bandai Namco: They're currently working on Tekken 7, Pokkén Tournament, Tekken x Street Fighter, & Smash 4 DLC. I can easily see the NX getting Tekken 7 & a remaster of Smash 4. Pokkén is probably gonna be a Spring 2016 release on the Wii U as per Nintendo's "unannounced third party collaborations" for the platform, but it could come to the NX as a remastered port.
• Atlus: They're wrapping up SMTxFE (which Nintendo Treehouse will start localizing based on their comments at E3) & Persona 5. We already know that SMTxFE is locked down to the Wii U, but we don't know what kind of deal Sony has going on with Persona 5. More likely than not they have it locked to the platform due to the fact that pretty much 95% of the Persona audience is on PlayStation, but PQ did bring some Persona fans over to the Nintendo neck of the woods. But at the end of the day, we don't know if Sony has some sort of exclusivity deal going on with P5. If not, it could get a port on the NX for Day 1.
• Level-5: I'm honestly not sure what they could give either version of the NX on Day 1.

Basically, even with the few third party buddies that they have, the NX isn't gonna get much in the name of third party content. Square-Enix could probably give Nintendo ports of KH3 & FFXV assuming the hardware is up to the task, but like you said, they've all but abandoned Nintendo like most other third parties.

Yup I'm firmly on Anihawk's page. I've been saying pretty much the same thing in the Media Create thread.

NX is going to be the uncomfortable middle ground between mobile and PlayStation and third parties are going to freeze it out big time.

Agreed. Most of the third parties, as I've said numerous times, are gone & are probably not gonna come back for a long time (if ever). Nintendo is most likely gonna accommodate for this fact & try to do everything in their power to support the NX themselves while making sure it's a Nintendo Box that's priced like one. I'd love to be wrong, but I have a feeling that I'm not.

 

[AniHawk]

I'm expect with the next gen handheld, that if sony isn't making a next gen handheld. The NX handheld will get more support from the devs that make vita games.

they might get some support, but they won't get a lot of it.

i'm actually struggling to think of what goes there. monhun spinoffs could hit the ps4 instead. the weird touch-girls crap will probably go to mobile. something like danganronpa and other visual novels will very likely stay with playstation as consoles are also popular choices for the genre in japan (where in the us it might be steam instead). what's left? idea factory, atlus, falcom, and nis are already committed to ps4.

 

[Oregano]

they might get some support, but they won't get a lot of it.

i'm actually struggling to think of what goes there. monhun spinoffs could hit the ps4 instead. the weird touch-girls crap will probably go to mobile. something like danganronpa and other visual novels will very likely stay with playstation as consoles are also popular choices for the genre in japan (where in the us it might be steam instead). what's left? idea factory, atlus, falcom, and nis are already committed to ps4.

Yup, pretty much. God Eater and Toukiden would seem like obvious pick ups but the publishers have doubled down on PlayStation.

 

[Neoxon]

they might get some support, but they won't get a lot of it.

i'm actually struggling to think of what goes there. monhun spinoffs could hit the ps4 instead. the weird touch-girls crap will probably go to mobile. something like danganronpa and other visual novels will very likely stay with playstation as consoles are also popular choices for the genre in japan (where in the us it might be steam instead). what's left? idea factory, atlus, falcom, and nis are already committed to ps4.

Exactly, Nintendo doesn't really have anyone else they can turn to. For all intents & porpoises, Nintendo's on their own for the launch of the NX.

 

[AniHawk]

Exactly, Nintendo doesn't really have anyone else they can turn to. For all intensive purposes, Nintendo's on their own for the launch of the NX.

i actually don't think launch is a concern. it's more about what happens through the system's lifespan.

btw it's intensive porpoises.

 

[Neoxon]

i actually don't think launch is a concern. it's more about what happens through the system's lifespan.

btw it's intensive porpoises.

That's what I meant to type (auto-correct strikes again). Come to think of it, why wasn't porpoises in my laptop's dictionary?

On-topic, if Nintendo has a fantastic launch on their own, maybe some of the third parties will follow, so third party support throughout the system's lifespan is up in the air. Day 1 is most certainly be Nintendo by themselves.

 

[OrbitalBeard]

Since Mon Hun X is out late this year in Japan (I think?), I could see X G releasing at the NX launch. I'm not sure what other third party games would arrive with the platform outside of that.

I think most third party support on NX will be in the form of partnerships. Stuff like Hyrule Warriors and whatever SMT x FE is called now.

 

[Delio]

Well..Capcom hasnt said what Monster Hunter Stories is hitting on right? Atlus you got me as it's a bit to soon for a SMT game. They could do a spin off like Strange Journey but I'm not sure what that team is doing. The rest of those third parties prob wont have anything ready.

 

[Gambit]

Since Mon Hun X is out late this year in Japan (I think?), I could see X G releasing at the NX launch. I'm not sure what other third party games would arrive with the platform outside of that.

they could just call it Mon Hun NX.

 

[OrbitalBeard]

Well..Capcom hasnt said what Monster Hunter Stories is hitting on right?

It's officially announced for 3DS.

 

[nckillthegrimace]

Yup I'm firmly on Anihawk's page. I've been saying pretty much the same thing in the Media Create thread.

NX is going to be the uncomfortable middle ground between mobile and PlayStation and third parties are going to freeze it out big time.

Let's talk about Japan. Nintendo's holding down the Japanese industry with the 3DS, sells just under 20 million units, and gets crumbs in return, especially compared to Sony, who shit its pants in Japan, which apparently won it the lottery. Additionally, certain parties made crazy bank on the 3DS with spinoffs and lower profile titles, while reserving the big games that everyone actually wants for Playstation. It's like Nintendo isn't viewed as a partner but as a sugar daddy, while Sony's the paramour.

So yes, they're pretty much fucked unless the NX explodes out the gate in Japan, in which case the above will happen again. Also, here's a fun game: replace 3DS with Wii in the above paragraph, and you have what happened in NA and Europe last gen. There's nothing they can do!

 

[Delio]

It's officially announced for 3DS.

Well there goes that. Guess Capcom wouldnt have anything ready then at launch.

 

[GhostTrick]

What if some of the PS4 games announced at E3 still launch on NX but they were not allowed to mention it? Not even in the sense of "and on another, as of yet unannounced console"?

No, lets not start this. You can write off Square Enix totally from NX support. They abandonned their efforts on 3DS pretty soon and the only thing they maintained were ports and projects that were already started. The only greenlighted things were the ones with easy reuse of assets or engine.
Despite a 18M userbase in Japan, SE didnt show any interest for 3DS.

As for the "they're not allowed to talk about this", this is wrong too. Its like Wii U 3rd party games not announced because of NDAs. That was wrong back then, thats even more today.

For NX, Nintendo will have a hard time. If they dont move a load of units, or buy some exclusives, they wont have much support.

 

[Neoxon]

No, lets not start this. You can write off Square Enix totally from NX support. They abandonned their efforts on 3DS pretty soon and the only thing they maintained were ports and projects that were already started. The only greenlighted things were the ones with easy reuse of assets or engine.
Despite a 18M userbase in Japan, SE didnt show any interest for 3DS.

As for the "they're not allowed to talk about this", this is wrong too. Its like Wii U 3rd party games not announced because of NDAs. That was wrong back then, thats even more today.

For NX, Nintendo will have a hard time. If they dont move a load of units, or buy some exclusives, they wont have much support.

This

 

[AniHawk]

That's what I meant to type (auto-correct strikes again). Come to think of it, why wasn't porpoises in my laptop's dictionary?

the phrase is actually intents and purposes. intensive porpoises is this:

On-topic, if Nintendo has a fantastic launch on their own, maybe some of the third parties will follow, so third party support throughout the system's lifespan is up in the air. Day 1 is most certainly be Nintendo by themselves.

i think launch is going to be (from third parties), just dance, sonic, skylanders, maaaaybe disney 4.0, some lego thing, call of duty, assassin's creed vii, some other ports, and then about 4 nintendo games. release date is november 20, 2016. 10-15 titles to be released by the end of the year, including zelda, mario, a new franchise, and some weird thing from a third-party like sing party or excite truck.

 

[SalvaPot]

Well there goes that. Guess Capcom wouldnt have anything ready then at launch.

Monster Hunter 5 and Ace Attorney 6.

Spoiler

And Marvel vs Capcom 4

 

[Delio]

i think launch is going to be (from third parties), just dance, sonic, skylanders, maaaaybe disney 4.0, some lego thing, call of duty, assassin's creed vii, some other ports, and then about 4 nintendo games. release date is november 20, 2016. 10-15 titles to be released by the end of the year, including zelda, mario, a new franchise, and some weird thing from a third-party like sing party or excite truck.

I still say Pokemon will be their big launch title. Mario will be later. Zelda..i guess as well.

Oh of course I think MH5 will hit the NX at some point. I ALSO think Atlus wont pull SMT from Nintendo platforms ( But hey Sony could toss the money and get that as well)

 

[OrbitalBeard]

I still say Pokemon will be their big launch title. Mario will be later. Zelda..i guess as well.

I kind of think NX is screwed from the start if they don't have a 3D Mario at launch. They need it more than ever before.

 

[SalvaPot]

I still say Pokemon will be their big launch title. Mario will be later. Zelda..i guess as well.

Oh of course I think MH5 will hit the NX at some point. I ALSO think Atlus wont pull SMT from Nintendo platforms ( But hey Sony could toss the money and get that as well)

When was the last time Pokemon launched with a Nintendo console? Game Boy Color?

 

[xDUMPWEEDx]

July is also totally unrealistic as we can assume the last feedback they will consider will be E3 reception.

Even if Nintendo visiting supply chains atm is plausible, the rest is BS.

I'd like to see a surprise E3 release day launch like what SEGA did.

 

[Delio]

I kind of think NX is screwed from the start if they don't have a 3D Mario at launch. They need it more than ever before.

I guess. I still think Pokemon could carry a launch with a bunch of other games. But Mario 3D wouldnt hurt for sure.

 

[Neoxon]

I still say Pokemon will be their big launch title. Mario will be later. Zelda..i guess as well.

Oh of course I think MH5 will hit the NX at some point. I ALSO think Atlus wont pull SMT from Nintendo platforms ( But hey Sony could toss the money and get that as well)

I guess. I still think Pokemon could carry a launch with a bunch of other games. But Mario 3D wouldnt hurt for sure.

Pokémon's most likely gonna be locked down to the handheld to where the console variant of the NX cannot play the game (because Game Freak). At most Zelda will be a port of the Wii U game, & I'm pretty damn sure that we'll get a 3D Mario game at launch. If I recall, Miyamoto hinted at it in some fashion.

 

[OrbitalBeard]

I guess. I still think Pokemon could carry a launch with a bunch of other games. But Mario 3D wouldnt hurt for sure.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if NX launched with Mario, Pokemon, and Zelda. This needs to be the biggest launch in Nintendo's history, imo. They have a lot of ground to make up. At the very least, I expect all three franchises to be represented during the launch window.

 

[Delio]

When was the last time Pokemon launched with a Nintendo console? Game Boy Color?

I want to say that. Only reason I feel Pokemon will be there is because of the break this year. Unless they are gearing it up for early next year. (Red/Blue remakes or X2/Y2)

Pokémon's likely gonna be locked down to the handheld (because Game Freak). At most Zelda will be a port of the Wii U game, & I'm pretty damn sure that we'll get a 3D Mario game at launch. If I recall, Miyamoto hinted at it in some fashion.

I think that would be a big mistake. Iwata needs to push Gamefreak to let it atleast be played on both if the NX is more of a platform like is being speculated.

 

[Neoxon]

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if NX launched with Mario, Pokemon, and Zelda. This needs to be the biggest launch in Nintendo's history, imo. They have a lot of ground to make up. At the very least, I expect all three franchises to be represented during the launch window.

• 3D Mario game available on both versions of the NX
• Port of Zelda U
• Port of Pokémon Z?

The port of Zelda U I'm a bit conflicted on as far as if it'll be console-only or both as far as which version of the NX would get it (if any). Though Pokémon is probably gonna be the game that screws over Nintendo's plans for the NX, as Game Freak is dead-set on their "Pokémon should only be on handhelds" mentality.

I think that would be a big mistake. Iwata needs to push Gamefreak to let it atleast be played on both if the NX is more of a platform like is being speculated.

Iwata can't do shit. Game Freak & The Pokémon Company have Nintendo by the balls on this one. If they piss them off by demanding console functionality, Game Freak can just pick up their ball & go to iOS/Android. Hell, they won't even let Nintendo use the Pokémon Amiibos outside of Smash. Game Freak is most likely gonna keep the mainline Pokémon games locked to the handheld version of the NX, & Nintendo (sadly) can't do much about it.

 

[TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared]

If you wanna be technical Pokemon dash was launched with the original DS....

 

[nckillthegrimace]

I kind of think NX is screwed from the start if they don't have a 3D Mario at launch. They need it more than ever before.

Having a regular stream of quality content during the first year is more important than any one title. Remember when the 3DS stumbled out the gate and then a bunch of third party games suddenly disappeared? You know, Assassin's Creed, Saint's Row, DJ Hero? Those didn't come back when the system recovered.

But yes, they can't conjure up a NSMB game again and expect people to lineup.

 

[Delio]

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if NX launched with Mario, Pokemon, and Zelda. This needs to be the biggest launch in Nintendo's history, imo. They have a lot of ground to make up. At the very least, I expect all three franchises to be represented during the launch window.

I agree that they will be launch window for sure.

 

[Grampasso]

Mid-July launch and 20 million shipments in the first year

Nintendo is either insane or super confident

Or maybe it's just bullshit?

 

[AniHawk]

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if NX launched with Mario, Pokemon, and Zelda. This needs to be the biggest launch in Nintendo's history, imo. They have a lot of ground to make up. At the very least, I expect all three franchises to be represented during the launch window.

it's an anniversary year next year for pokemon, zelda, metroid, sonic, and dragon quest. it seems that nintendo won't get one for dragon quest, but the other four seem likely. i could see mario skipping 2016's launch, actually, and landing somewhere in 2017 instead. i'm betting on mario kart 9 being a fall 2017 sort of thing, but perhaps all the work on the dlc has pushed it back to spring 2018, which would mean mario for fall 2017. it's here where there's massive gaps in the lineup that nintendo will be able to fill a lot of it with their own games (look at all the stuff coming out this year for 3ds and wii u and imagine it was one system), but getting that remnant third-party support is important.

monster hunter 5 might actually do the multiplatform thing too. really depends what capcom thinks is best for the series in japan. they've been doing ps2-era looking stuff for over a decade and i'm not sure they're super keen on moving to ps3-era looking stuff still. it could be the game goes mobile in some way.