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Dishonored 2 PC performance thread
- Thread starter JaseC
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d00d3n
Member
Anyone else who is getting a black screen with the game audio continuing to play (and eventually back to the old resolution) when attempting DSR resolutions? Based on the horrible aliasing issues in the tutorial (that fence in view from the spawn location! horrible, some of the worst aliasing I have seen in a modern game), I really think some downsampling is needed here.
Man... I've just tried playing some more in the early area of Karnaca and it might actually be unplayable for me. It's not like constant 20fps unplayable, but it's so all over the place that its just really hard to get lost in the world. The problem is I have to review this damn thing :/
1080p, scaling at 100%, evrything on and on ultra.
measured with fraps the tutorial
2016-11-10 08:51:58 - Dishonored2
Frames: 8893 - Time: 117109ms - Avg: 75.938 - Min: 59 - Max: 105
2016-11-10 08:54:49 - Dishonored2
Frames: 7786 - Time: 100468ms - Avg: 77.497 - Min: 55 - Max: 122
2016-11-10 08:57:11 - Dishonored2
Frames: 22191 - Time: 295687ms - Avg: 75.049 - Min: 1 - Max: 122
it didn't really drop below 60fps
specs:
xeon e3 1230v3
asus strix gtx 1060 6gb - with factory overclock
16gb ram
install on ssd
edit: fps test in the story mode
throne room
2016-11-10 09:22:58 - Dishonored2
Frames: 21972 - Time: 398187ms - Avg: 55.180 - Min: 39 - Max: 100
tower
2016-11-10 09:29:40 - Dishonored2
Frames: 38399 - Time: 498922ms - Avg: 76.964 - Min: 1 - Max: 156
i didn't noticed that min: 1fps drop, maybe while loading?
measured with fraps the tutorial
2016-11-10 08:51:58 - Dishonored2
Frames: 8893 - Time: 117109ms - Avg: 75.938 - Min: 59 - Max: 105
2016-11-10 08:54:49 - Dishonored2
Frames: 7786 - Time: 100468ms - Avg: 77.497 - Min: 55 - Max: 122
2016-11-10 08:57:11 - Dishonored2
Frames: 22191 - Time: 295687ms - Avg: 75.049 - Min: 1 - Max: 122
it didn't really drop below 60fps
specs:
xeon e3 1230v3
asus strix gtx 1060 6gb - with factory overclock
16gb ram
install on ssd
edit: fps test in the story mode
throne room
2016-11-10 09:22:58 - Dishonored2
Frames: 21972 - Time: 398187ms - Avg: 55.180 - Min: 39 - Max: 100
tower
2016-11-10 09:29:40 - Dishonored2
Frames: 38399 - Time: 498922ms - Avg: 76.964 - Min: 1 - Max: 156
i didn't noticed that min: 1fps drop, maybe while loading?
Aquavelvaman
Banned
You know there's something up when the pc performance thread is 5 pages longer than the OT
Gravemind IV
Member
Bought into the hype, especially because I did not expect any performance issues due to how good DH1 ran. Such a shame.
I also have a somewhat mid-range rig in comparison to people here (R9 390 and I5-6700), anyone here that has played the game with a similar setup?
I also have a somewhat mid-range rig in comparison to people here (R9 390 and I5-6700), anyone here that has played the game with a similar setup?
Fahzgoolin
Banned
this makes me wonder...do the devs playtest on super computers? The first game ran beautifully on PC. My expectations for performance are super high. If they dont get this working soon they lost a full price customer.
Intheflorsh
Banned
Jesus Christ. Should have listened to Polygon. It's not enough that the game performs TERRIBLY, but they had to tie mouse acceleration to the framerate? Fuck this.
Dropping the game to very low settings does literally nothing to increase performance.
Dropping the game to very low settings does literally nothing to increase performance.
Steam refund?
Fahzgoolin
Banned
Some are speculating the DRM might be causing an issue here too.
Peterthumpa
Member
Yeah, I'm refunding this:
- even at 60 FPS, the game just does not feel smooth, like some kind of framepacing issue going on.
- in the very first mission (not a spoiler at all), when you should decide if you kill a certain NPC or not, the game just decided to kill him for me out of nowhere. I was in a completely different room and an "objective complete" message popped up. Went upstairs, lo and behold, NPC dead. Not a good thing when you're planning a stealth run, right?
- severe slowdown in inexcusable places that somehow is gone when restarting the game, but comes back after a while.
- testing performance of a few different resolutions completely froze the game when trying to revert back to 1080p - had to wait for the previous resolution to be restored. Restarting the game solved it.
The game looks fun, but it's definitely not ready for a PC release. No wonder the lack of copies for reviews.
Oh, and there's also a guy on the Steam forums saying that he was able to finish the game with Corvo in 4 hours, but I'm calling it bait.
- even at 60 FPS, the game just does not feel smooth, like some kind of framepacing issue going on.
- in the very first mission (not a spoiler at all), when you should decide if you kill a certain NPC or not, the game just decided to kill him for me out of nowhere. I was in a completely different room and an "objective complete" message popped up. Went upstairs, lo and behold, NPC dead. Not a good thing when you're planning a stealth run, right?
- severe slowdown in inexcusable places that somehow is gone when restarting the game, but comes back after a while.
- testing performance of a few different resolutions completely froze the game when trying to revert back to 1080p - had to wait for the previous resolution to be restored. Restarting the game solved it.
The game looks fun, but it's definitely not ready for a PC release. No wonder the lack of copies for reviews.
Oh, and there's also a guy on the Steam forums saying that he was able to finish the game with Corvo in 4 hours, but I'm calling it bait.
Intheflorsh
Banned
I wish. GMG purchase. I'm never preordering another Bethesda game again, that's for damn sure.
People always say this about Denovo and it always ends up being false.
Spacecowboy77
Member
Wow, terrible performance
I'm passing on this one, got many other great games to pass the time this holiday
I'm passing on this one, got many other great games to pass the time this holiday
Anyone who got this through Green Man Gaming actually receive Dishonored - Definitive Edition? because I haven't or I'm not sure how I receive it? I just added my Dishonored 2 key to steam, but I don't see Dishonored - Definitive Edition or have the additional DLC added to my account.
flipswitch
Member
So I've played 3hrs, I think that means I cannot get a refund. The game is good but the stuttering all over the place is really annoying.
dgrdsv
Member
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Performance_Analysis/Dishonored_2/4.html
The bad engine optimization is what causing the issues, and I don't understand why they felt the need to even port it anywhere from OpenGL as chances are that the OpenGL renderer would've provided better results.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Getting real sick and tired of PC ports lacking raw mouse input. Get your fucking shit together.
Tried it, and the judder is pretty much constant. Running a Titan X Pascal at 1080p, and the frame rate stays at 60, but moving the camera is nowhere near smooth.
It can be fixed partially with RTSS, but you know what? I'm fucking sick of these kinds of issues. Refunding it. Call me an idiot all you like, but this is the kind of shit that makes me spend more time on tweaking than actually playing.
It can be fixed partially with RTSS, but you know what? I'm fucking sick of these kinds of issues. Refunding it. Call me an idiot all you like, but this is the kind of shit that makes me spend more time on tweaking than actually playing.
alexanderftw
Banned
Alright so I did some visual testings to see which of the settings causes the game to drop as low as 35 or 28 sometimes without any reason and from what I noticed it seems to be water quality if its set on ultra. If its set at anything below that, I havent noticed any huge drops in frames so far. Besides that, the water quality seems to be hugely bugged because whether its on very low or very high it looks terrible but if you set it to ultra then it gets reflections and all that, not to mention if you remain in the same spot the frames remain the same but if you move a bit and come back to the same spot then it starts killing the framerates. If someone could test this more thoroughly as I have to go to work all day, would be appreciated. Also in some cases I noticed v-sync dropping my frames by 5-10. Im on a 970 btw. Every other setting doesnt have much of an impact as these 2.
That was perhaps the stand-out piece of DLC for the first game, almost essential really, especially going in to 2 as you get plenty of info on Delilah.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Can we please just retire Id Tech 5/6 and it's consistently awful IQ, texture streaming, and sound positioning. It hasn't gotten better in years.
Bethesda doesn't want to pay the licensing fees for something like UE and without Carmack around IDTech isn't going to get any better. You're stuck with it.
Peterthumpa
Member
Huh, Doom?
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
DOOM is a fucking incredibly game, and it also has texture streaming issues and shit IQ unless you're downsampling. Id Tech 5/6 has this weird ass way of handling aliasing, particularly on shaders and low resolution filtering through transparency (eg: fog). Texture detail will also "pop" in as it streams even as the scene is already clearly in your vision.
It still looks great, just like this does, and Wolfenstein: The New Order does too. But I'm not seeing a shred of evidence, beyond maybe the adaptive resolution, for what Id Tech 5/6 does better or more efficiently than other middleware out there.
And the sound positioning/mixing is shit in DOOM too.
Life truly is suffering.
N1ghtW4lk3R
Member
Another release...another crappy porting...Who's next, I wonder?
Peterthumpa
Member
I played more than 25 hours of Doom @ 1440p with TSSAA enabled and everything on Ultra, on a GTX 980TI. The IQ was pristine and 99% at 60 FPS.
"Shit IQ" is hyperbole. It looks good even on consoles FFS.
EDIT: although I do agree that idTech5 can die in a dumpster fire.
icecold1983
Member
the odds of this ever improving performance are damn close to zero. its more likely to lower performance than improve it, but the most likely scenario above all is no change
devs are always aware of what performance is like when they release their game. dont buy into the bs marketing statements released.
doom had awesome IQ what you talkin bout willis
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
i'm sorry im upset and angry
the texture streaming is still legit shit
Alethebeer
Member
If you are referring to the issue (the worst one in my humble opinion) that - despite 60+ frames - the game does not feel smooth, no, g-sync is not doing anything for me.
Moff
Member
If anything gsync seems make it worse
Different engine.
We the consumer have been giving them reasons to push out unfinished products through the amount of money we give them. Voting with our wallet doesn't seem to work, some can't even refund from where they buy it.
If we the consumer had even more rights to get our money back from digital purchases as a whole, it might put a dent in their wallets. However, a game that is actually really good aside from the issue might not get it's due.
I've used up 20 minutes of my 2 hours on steam trying to sort issues out, I could be at it all day tinkering and fucking around before it reaches the point of no return. I've argued sometimes 2 hours is not enough, because if and when it does get fixed I don't have much more time to figure out if I actually like the game.
Baby steps I guess.
With the tremendous amount of time, energy, brain-power and money that has been invested in 3D engine middleware development in the past 10 years, it's really absurd a major game studio still manages to release a game that stumbles because of technical issues. It's not as if 3D engines and its subsystems are new and development of these is uncharted territory. It's also not the case there's little to no information regarding how to architect a proper 3D engine and its subsystems so they work together nicely.
It all reeks of egocentric douchebaggery inside the studio, like we also see in other Bethesda studios like the one making certain fantasy / post-apocalyptic RPG games, where ego-driven choices dictate what to do and what to use instead of reason. If you use an engine that's derived from a version of which another derivative also was derived but has major advantages, if you can't move your assets, scriptcode etc. to that other derivative, you clearly didn't understand what the whole point is of 'middleware', namely you pick something off the shelve and outsource the heavy lifting to that middleware. Apparently if such a move is technically impossible you changed fundamentally so many things, one seriously has to question motivation for that as it's a waste of time and money.
This is something that EA with Dice's Frostbyte has understood very well: they invested a lot in the engine and it's now so adaptable that studios can use it for practically anything: what they need specifically for their game they can build on top of the engine and leave the engine as-is, minor changes aside. Bethesda is just too lazy in this, they still think if you make a game you apparently build the engine to run the game on first, or heavily modify an existing outdated engine because apparently the game is so unique no-one ever wrote the required technology.
Most people aren't programmers. They don't realize any of this. They already find it magical that you start a game from the steam client and through some magic, you can move a person around in a 3D world. To use an analogy: Bethesda and their studios try to write a new web-browser every time they create a new website, or polish up a massively outdated version of an old web browser for the new website they're creating. that's not how the web works of course, and that's also not how development works anymore. Some wheels are re-invented enough times, and Bethesda needs to start realizing this.
Ubisoft more and more does, and if they can, Bethesda can too. Yes I know it's made by a studio not named Bethesda, but Bethesda feeds the bill. They're the publisher. They call the shots.
It all reeks of egocentric douchebaggery inside the studio, like we also see in other Bethesda studios like the one making certain fantasy / post-apocalyptic RPG games, where ego-driven choices dictate what to do and what to use instead of reason. If you use an engine that's derived from a version of which another derivative also was derived but has major advantages, if you can't move your assets, scriptcode etc. to that other derivative, you clearly didn't understand what the whole point is of 'middleware', namely you pick something off the shelve and outsource the heavy lifting to that middleware. Apparently if such a move is technically impossible you changed fundamentally so many things, one seriously has to question motivation for that as it's a waste of time and money.
This is something that EA with Dice's Frostbyte has understood very well: they invested a lot in the engine and it's now so adaptable that studios can use it for practically anything: what they need specifically for their game they can build on top of the engine and leave the engine as-is, minor changes aside. Bethesda is just too lazy in this, they still think if you make a game you apparently build the engine to run the game on first, or heavily modify an existing outdated engine because apparently the game is so unique no-one ever wrote the required technology.
Most people aren't programmers. They don't realize any of this. They already find it magical that you start a game from the steam client and through some magic, you can move a person around in a 3D world. To use an analogy: Bethesda and their studios try to write a new web-browser every time they create a new website, or polish up a massively outdated version of an old web browser for the new website they're creating. that's not how the web works of course, and that's also not how development works anymore. Some wheels are re-invented enough times, and Bethesda needs to start realizing this.
Ubisoft more and more does, and if they can, Bethesda can too. Yes I know it's made by a studio not named Bethesda, but Bethesda feeds the bill. They're the publisher. They call the shots.
Why though. Using a new engine is unnecessary when the old one worked fine.
Ehh the first game was UE3 at the tail end of last gen. A calculator could probably run it.