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[clashfan]

TVersity is pretty good but I would love to see the 360 support DivX natively.

 

[The Lamonster]

Anime.

Didn't even think of that. Thanks for the enlightenment, but I'll still prob just be pornin if 360 gets Divx support.

 

[skrew]

It doesn't have 5.1 or Dolby support, and that makes it far less useful than it could be. Better audio support for the 264/mkv and better support for MPEG-2 transport streams is just as important as the DivX support IMO.



Competition FTW, though in this case I see no indication that Sony was doing it first.

 

[dfyb]

you cant copy it to the 360 (i think) but you dont need too, it streams it

that is retarded. please someone tell me you can actually have video from your PC saved on your 360. via usb stick? through the network? i use this all the time for my ps3.

 

[Psychotext]

that is retarded. please someone tell me you can actually have video from your PC saved on your 360. via usb stick? through the network? i use this all the time for my ps3 -- why stream it when i can always have it locally?

Terabyte drives in your well organised and catalogued media server?

 

[X26]

So what's the big deal about videos on your 360?

pr0n

Well in general just streaming shit you watch anyways on your PC to your 360/TV in a more comfortable location in terms of watching videos whether it be porn, movies, anime, etc.

 

[watership]

that is retarded. please someone tell me you can actually have video from your PC saved on your 360. via usb stick? through the network? i use this all the time for my ps3 -- why stream it when i can always have it locally?

Oh come on, it's not remotely retarded. The best media centre on the planet, XBMC, does it that way. Slingboxes do it. Media usually comes from your PC, which can have huge drives and you can serve various devices. Done correctly it's better than keeping it local on your console.

 

[dfyb]

Terabyte drives in your well organised and catalogued media server?

i don't put everything on my ps3 but for things i plan on accessing later, i usually just copy it over. especially things like images. it's fun being able to throw up a funny image during video chat. i treat the ps3 almost like an ipod for music/movies in that i'll put my current favorites on there. i value network performance and even the slightest delays in fetching/browsing my media can be very annoying to me.

i just think it's retarded that you can't copy stuff over while you stream it.

Oh come on, it's not remotely retarded. The best media centre on the planet, XBMC, does it that way. Slingboxes do it. Media usually comes from your PC, which can have huge drives and you can serve various devices. Done correctly it's better than keeping it local on your console.

you know what's better? being able to stream it and save it. i don't know how this is even an argument -- it's not like i'm arguing against streaming. i just think they should let you copy. i mean, why not?

 

[Mammothtank]

And the porn starts rolling. The gloves are off.

Or on for some..

 

[krypt0nian]

I'm just here looking to see if RROD is mentioned.

Mission accomplished.

 

[watership]

you know what's better? being able to stream it and save it. i don't know how this is even an argument -- it's not like i'm arguing against streaming. i just think they should let you copy. i mean, why not?

It's just not necessary. If it was a portable device, it would be must. Its just like content on demand vs TIVO. Tivo's were fine when you needed to keep stuff on your local box, but if TV content was readily available on demand, you wouldn't need too.

 

[dankir]

And the porn starts rolling. The gloves are off.

Of course, the most important things first

 

[Beer Monkey]

And we know that MS has got stuff they've been working on for a long time that hasn't yet made into a spring or fall update. Some stuff is just logical. PS3 support of iPod AAC wouldn't necessarily indicate copying the 360 just because 360 had it first. Eventually I'm sure we'll see TV shows that you can buy through PSN but I'd suspect that they were planning it or at least considering it before 360 even launched, I wouldn't call it copying.

 

[pr0cs]

great news but not that surprising is it? with their new "media center extenders for media centering extension" it was pretty much confirmed that Xvid and Divx were on the way no?
Either way I want it NOW. WMV with VC1 is fine but I have a boatload of Divx content that I do not want to recode.

 

[dfyb]

It's just not necessary. If it was a portable device, it would be must. Its just like content on demand vs TIVO. Tivo's were fine when you needed to keep stuff on your local box, but if TV content was readily available on demand, you wouldn't need too.

i just shared my personal experience and how i frequently copy stuff over. it's a feature i already utilize. it's not like it is hard to figure out how to let people copy stuff over -- copying files over a network is easier than streaming them. it's a feature that should be expected on devices with a hard drive. it's one of those "why not?" sort of things.

 

[dfyb]

And we know that MS has got stuff they've been working on for a long time that hasn't yet made into a spring or fall update. Some stuff is just logical. PS3 support of iPod AAC wouldn't necessarily indicate copying the 360 just because 360 had it first. Eventually I'm sure we'll see TV shows that you can buy through PSN but I'd suspect that they were planning it or at least considering it before 360 even launched, I wouldn't call it copying.

he posted two images. he didn't say they were "copying." he was responding to your trolling statement about how you "see no indication that Sony was doing it first." even though we do have evidence of them doing it first. those images are pretty old, and we also have this - http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=206663

 

[Beer Monkey]

he posted two images. he didn't say they were "copying." he was responding to your trolling statement about how you "see no indication that Sony was doing it first." even though we do have evidence of them doing it first.

Some people don't know the difference between earlier evidence that somebody is doing something versus evidence of somebody doing something earlier.

I'm sure MS and Sony are toying around with all kinds of ideas and even doing development and prototyping on lots of them (some of which may see light of day and some of which may not). Evidence of some of these things will leak out and some will not.

The real trolling of course in this 360 thread is the original out-of-place Sony comment to which I responded, but of course you have no issue with that.

 

[Blablurn]

my god, just give us divx support, and give it to us NOW.
kthx

 

[dfyb]

Some people don't know the difference between earlier evidence that somebody is doing something versus evidence of somebody doing something earlier.

I'm sure MS and Sony are toying around with all kinds of ideas and even doing development and prototyping on lots of them (some of which may see light of day and some of which may not). Evidence of some of these things will leak out and some will not.

The real trolling of course in this 360 thread is the original out-of-place Sony comment to which I responded, but of course you have no issue with that.

what happens behind closed doors isn't really relavent to this discussion. sony's interest in divx support was put out in the open, and only when it's out in the open can it potentially influence competition.

 

[rubso]

dfyb, MS was considering the support for native DivX/XviD playback in "Media Extender" since 2006.

Windows Vista will expand the Xbox 360's viewing options. Using a Cable Card-based digital TV tuner, you'll be able to watch digital SD and HD cable via a Vista MCE PC. Vista will also add support for DivX-encoded content as well, says Dave Alles, general manager of the Windows Media Center division at Microsoft.

it was just a matter of time when will vista be available to users around the world. link

 

[Firestorm]

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/support/systemuse/xbox360/digitalmedia/videoplaybackfaq.htm

woah, how come I didn't know about this =o So this means I can stream One Piece without having to hook up my VGA cable to my laptop.

 

[skybaby]

Of course since Sony's considering it now they have to also.

Bacause the XMB now shows thumbnails of dvix/xvid files? Media Center Extender did that from day 1...

 

[Shepherd]

that is retarded. please someone tell me you can actually have video from your PC saved on your 360. via usb stick? through the network? i use this all the time for my ps3 -- why stream it when i can always have it locally?

Keep your media on your PCs. That way you can stream it to any TV in the house. Keeping it on your console is not the best solution. I have a 360 in the living room and the kids have one in their bedroom. I can stream movies from my laptop and at the same time they can stream their cartoons from my laptop or any other PC in the house.

 

[Beer Monkey]

Keep your media on your PCs.

Agreed. Or a NAS.

 

[Fatalah]

I was just going to post a new thread---

Fall is almost over, where's our FALL DASHBOARD UPDATE?

 

[polyh3dron]

x264 has been supported, what you want is mkv container support. But there's no reason to do that when mp4 is available as a h.264 container.

You don't watch anime fansubs, do you?

 

[a Master Ninja]

I was just going to post a new thread---

Fall is almost over, where's our FALL DASHBOARD UPDATE?

Assuming that timer feature is part of the dashboard update, it seems to be set for a December release.

 

[Tk0n]

what happens behind closed doors isn't really relavent to this discussion. sony's interest in divx support was put out in the open, and only when it's out in the open can it potentially influence competition.

so what youre saying is, that microsoft is copiing sony, because they dont support a video format yet that the ps3 isnt supporting yet either?

 

[GaryD]

Keep your media on your PCs. That way you can stream it to any TV in the house. Keeping it on your console is not the best solution. I have a 360 in the living room and the kids have one in their bedroom. I can stream movies from my laptop and at the same time they can stream their cartoons from my laptop or any other PC in the house.

Yeh but not all of us want to have our PC's on. I FTP all my stuff from my pc onto my XBMC setup and it works fine. Different methods for different people and needs.

 

[BigDug13]

Yeh but not all of us want to have our PC's on. I FTP all my stuff from my pc onto my XBMC setup and it works fine. Different methods for different people and needs.

I do this too, but now that I have a nice TV in the bedroom, I have my laptop running in the bedroom into the TV while the XBMC can sit in the livingroom and stream my PC stuff. I can still FTP if I need to keep my PC off though.

I love my XBMC though and probably won't change even if they start supporting it on the 360. I don't really do movies or high def stuff so 1080i upconversion of lower res stuff like TV shows is good enough for me.

 

[Pachael]

You don't watch anime fansubs, do you?

Talking about which, it'd be good if there was a good or quick mkv to mp4 conversion - after all you could simply demux the streams and remux them in mp4box but the repeated process gives me an 'ugh'. Maybe I should just batch it, I should get off my lazy bum.

 

[dfyb]

so what youre saying is, that microsoft is copiing sony, because they dont support a video format yet that the ps3 isnt supporting yet either?

i'm not saying microsoft is copying sony. it's just silly to think of microsoft as some sort of pro-divx party that is bringing it to their console way before anybody else. it's obvious sony is interested in doing it around the time home is coming and that could very well be putting pressure on microsoft to support it too. beermonkey@tehbias was acting like it hasn't even crossed sony's mind.

 

[MWS Natural]

dfyb, MS was considering the support for native DivX/XviD playback in "Media Extender" since 2006.

it was just a matter of time when will vista be available to users around the world. link

Windows Vista will expand the Xbox 360's viewing options. Using a Cable Card-based digital TV tuner, you'll be able to watch digital SD and HD cable via a Vista MCE PC. Vista will also add support for DivX-encoded content as well, says Dave Alles, general manager of the Windows Media Center division at Microsoft.

 

[Bojangles]

Two fucking words:

Samba Support

Spoiler

and if it's already there, wtf? really?

 

[tinfoilhatman]

that is retarded. please someone tell me you can actually have video from your PC saved on your 360. via usb stick? through the network? i use this all the time for my ps3 -- why stream it when i can always have it locally?

For starters 80 gigs is going to fill up awful quick when one TV show in HD is almost 10 gigs.

Vista+360=Ultimate Media Center solution heaven

+Live TV and Tivo functionality with up to 3 tuners
+interface to all multimedia on PC without the PC(or the high end video card for HDTV) and internet radio and internet TV(already beta right now for anyone)
/\
\/
+Interface to HDMI and DD5.1\TrueHD
+accessible anywhere you have a 360 or wired\wireless media extender

I can stream live or recorded HDTV anywhere in the house multiple places simultaniously and output it at 1080p on my 360's(not to mention my entire pron and MP3 collection)

I do all of the above......TODAY

 

[shuri]

I wont ever touch any transcoding bs setup ever again. MS needs to step up. My two old xboxes are now xbmc machines and I will never EVER give them up.

 

[dfyb]

dfyb, MS was considering the support for native DivX/XviD playback in "Media Extender" since 2006.

it was just a matter of time when will vista be available to users around the world. link

ah, so they were waiting over a year so they could require users buy vista MCE PC to stream divx :lol.

and how does this change anything i've been saying? i never said MS copied sony and it's not even about who's idea it was first.

For starters 80 gigs is going to fill up awful quick when one TV show in HD is almost 10 gigs.

you're an idiot if you're downloading 10GB TV episodes. but again, i'm not saying get rid of streaming in favor of saving. once again, i'm saying it's retarded that you can't save anything when you can already stream it. there's no reason not to allow it. and somehow you make a drastic jump in logic and think that you'd always save everything you would otherwise be streaming. and who's limited to 80GB?

 

[Bojangles]

I wont ever touch any transcoding bs setup ever again. MS needs to step up. My two old xboxes are now xbmc machines and I will never EVER give them up.

If they figure out how to run unsigned code on the 360, and they port XBMC to it, and I can play HD video on it, I will buy one just for that. My xbox1 gets used ALL THE TIME because of XBMC... and not just video...hell, we have karaoke parties on it...

 

[skybaby]

Are you guys aware that this image proves nothing? I have mpeg1 files that were re-encoded from divx with that logo...

 

[Beer Monkey]

beermonkey@tehbias was acting like it hasn't even crossed sony's mind.

What? Horseshit. I'm saying that it's silly to act like either party is copying or even reacting to the other. There's no evidence that this is the case. I never made any such implication.

You called me a troll but can't find any better example of a troll than the pro-PS3-in-a-360-thread post that I was responding to.

Sheesh.

Are you guys aware that this image proves nothing? I have mpeg1 files that were re-encoded from divx with that logo...

Ditto. A watermark in an image only means that such an encoder was used somewhere along the line in a who-knows-now-many-generations-old video. Somebody throwing together a demo might use videos from any old source.

 

[dfyb]

Are you guys aware that this image proves nothing? I have mpeg1 files that were re-encoded from divx with that logo...

Ditto. A watermark in an image only means that such an encoder was used somewhere along the line in a who-knows-now-many-generations-old video. Somebody throwing together a demo might use videos from any old source.

that is a video streaming in a public space in home. i really doubt they get their own videos second hand from random people on the internet.

 

[PG2G]

you're an idiot if you're downloading 10GB TV episodes. but again, i'm not saying get rid of streaming in favor of saving. once again, i'm saying it's retarded that you can't save anything when you can already stream it. there's no reason not to allow it. and somehow you make a drastic jump in logic and think that you'd always save everything you would otherwise be streaming. and who's limited to 80GB?

They don't want stuff being written to the hard drive because it opens the doors for hackers and so on. Being able to copy stuff would be nice (especially for those of us on spoty wireless networks), but it is what it is.

 

[rubso]

ah, so they were waiting over a year so they could require users buy vista MCE PC to stream divx :lol.

and how does this change anything i've been saying? i never said MS copied sony and it's not even about who's idea it was first.

:/ you do realize that Windows XP also has it's own Media Center extender, right? and you can stream divx encoded contents through WMP?

 

[Vaandaviii]

Are you guys aware that this image proves nothing? I have mpeg1 files that were re-encoded from divx with that logo...

Ditto. A watermark in an image only means that such an encoder was used somewhere along the line in a who-knows-now-many-generations-old video. Somebody throwing together a demo might use videos from any old source.

"We are excited to work with Sony Computer Entertainment to bring DivX to PS3"

Just in time, Kevin... :lol

 

[Beer Monkey]

Just in time, Kevin... :lol

Agreed. This pretty much proves that MS had no plans of doing DivX until they found out PS3 was doing it.

 

[rubso]

Agreed. This pretty much proves that MS had no plans of doing DivX until they found out PS3 was doing it.

:lol

 

[Roat]

Hindsight is 20/20 vision, but looking back is always fun

 

[spwolf]

Agreed. This pretty much proves that MS had no plans of doing DivX until they found out PS3 was doing it.

if end result is MS spending money on DivX license, then great for 360 owners, whatever the reason behind it.

 

[pr0cs]

if end result is MS spending money on DivX license, then great for 360 owners, whatever the reason behind it.

QFT.
am I somehow supposed to be disappointed because one company forced another company to do something due to competition?
I love it that Sony and MS are trying to one up each other, to me that is one of the best things about this generation, the constant bullet-point fighting, price wars and work to get consumers attention.

 

[Psychotext]

if end result is MS spending money on DivX license, then great for 360 owners, whatever the reason behind it.

Have to agree with that. Competition this gen has been freaking great for the consumer.