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[Danjin44]

It was definitely an oversimplification but I think the central point (which is that TLOU did change the landscape for mainstream video game storytelling) holds true fwiw

If you mean make more Hollywood style story telling that have mass appeal sure, before TLOU we had amazing stories in video games, in my opinion Silent Hill 2 shit all over TLOU.

Difference is Silent Hill 2's story is not gonna appeal to your average joe.

 

[Faust]

It isn’t even in the top 1000 for me, but I am glad many found it so enjoyable to be their personal favorite.

 

[DForce]

Personally, yes.

TLOU 2 combat is unmatched for third-person action games. Most stories in video games are mostly forgettable to me personally.

 

[Pey.]

I played it for the first time on PC and it's an average game at best.

 

[ReBurn]

It's a well-made game. But I don't think it ranks as one of the best games ever made.

 

[GenericUser]

Mediocre at best

 

[ZehDon]

I think TLOU is either the best or second best game made (depending on the day), but I keep seeing people shitting on it on here. I don't know what the deal here is, I assume some people just can't handle it being so praised (you see it with very praised games all the time)...

"Oh, you didn't like it? Must be because you just can't handle people loving it!". I think you'll find it's this kind of take that people push back on when it comes to these kinds of games. My favourite game - Deus Ex - might bore you to tears, but I don't need to try and dismiss your opinion to maintain that Deus Ex is still the best game ever made.

Anyway, I found TLOU to be totally fine - a good example of a 3/5 or 7/10 game - and I don't really care about people praising it or hating it more than that. It's a very forgettable game in my opinion. Having read "The Road" and being up to date with "The Walking Dead" comic when the game came out, its best ideas were stolen from better places, its story is a well executed version of the cliche, and its gameplay was Naughty Dog pretending to innovate by just copying Splinter Cell from 11 years earlier. I attempted to replay it, and the wheels fell off due to how little "game" there actually is. Never bothered with the sequel because, frankly, there's really nothing that grabs me about this franchise at all. I'm glad people enjoy it and have fun with it, though, and I hope they continue to do so.

 

[Feel Like I'm On 42]

It's subjective but yes it's fantastic. Very linear though but it's very well rounded, amazing visuals, great story/characters/atmosphere/ and the gameplay was great too especially in 2013/2014

This is one of those games that people here seem to always have to put down. A case could be made this is a top 20 or even a top 10 game

 

[T4keD0wN]

Great piece of media, but the game is by far its weakest iteration.
Good and impressive game, but it never should have been one, theres hundreds of games that are so much better at being a game. Show was one of the best ones though.

 

[K' Dash]

It's the best game I have ever played

That is so sad.

 

[Aion002]

No.

It's a great game and I enjoyed it quite a bit, specially the combat, but it's not even in my top 10 survival horror games list...

 

[Feel Like I'm On 42]

Personally, yes.

TLOU 2 combat is unmatched for third-person action games. Most stories in video games are mostly forgettable to me personally.

Tlou2 has great mechanics but I think it has one fatal flaw that rarely gets mentioned. The game overstays its welcome big time and those amazing combat encounters start to lose their appeal. You can have too much of a good thing.

 

[Guilty_AI]

It was definitely an oversimplification but I think the central point (which is that TLOU did change the landscape for mainstream video game storytelling) holds true fwiw

It did nothing other games before it didn't do.

What it did do was take """serious storytelling""" in videogames, and chew it up to make it as easy as possible to swallow for mainstream western audiences.

In fact, many forget the things it didn't do that ND&Sony got people hyped for. Giving meaning to RE4-style escort mission (completely pointless since Ellie is invisible to the enemies) and advanced enemy AI (enemies were pretty basic and didn't live up to what the previews were suggesting).

 

[Captain Toad]

It's absolutely in that conversation.

 

[M1987]

That is so sad.

What? everyone has a favourite game,and TLOU is my favourite

 

[Queso de Grande]

Tedious gameplay and a boring, predictable story. No TLoU is mid at best.

 

[Black_Mamba]

I played about 70% of the first when it came out and about 5 hours of the second one this last week, after finishing RE4, but gave up. I rarely don't finish a game after I start and really wanted to love them, but I just don't like games from Naughty Dog. They have many qualities, graphics are good and faces look realistic, but the gameplay is too simplistic and boring for my tastes. I believe part of the reason ND's games are so popular is because of how casual they can be in terms of how obvious the puzzles are and how simple (and repetitive) the combat and exploration feels.

 

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[diffusionx]

Not at all. It's a good game, for sure, and tells a strong story, but I think the only thing it really excels at is tying narrative to gameplay and gameplay to narrative which it does in all sorts of interesting ways. It is like Naughty Dog was offended by all the talk about Uncharted's "ludonarrative disonance" and consciously made a game to address it.

 

[Strategize]

Yes. Simply because nothing since has managed it's narrative execution without bloat. Of course, that's okay, because while other big budget games might not be as air tight in narrative as TLOU, many others use games as a medium more to tell it's story, including it's sequel, which also has better gameplay to boot.

But anyway, if you look at all said big critically acclaimed AAA narrative driven games since TLOU. Such as GOW 18/Ragnorok, Red Dead 2, Witcher 3, Cyberpunk, even TLOU2 and many more. While some of them can match or even suprass TLOU's narrative on occasion, none of them are as consistent due to said bloat and lack of focus. I promise you, no other game could have a TV show that 80% follows it beat for beat and still end up highly acclaimed, because taken as a whole other big budget narratives simply aren't consistently good enough. TLOU is remarkably not just written and performed but paced as a narrative,a large portion of TLOU's audience remember it line for line, beat for beat for that reason, the whole thing, not just certain moments. If this game came out for today's standards they would also make it bloated and thus less impactful aswell.

 

[TheGreatMusashi]

Not at all, not even close. The gameplay is alright, it has a good story but that’s about it. I enjoy it but I don’t consider it that great.

 

[knguyen]

It's subjective, but I think we can all agree that it's a very very good game and should be played by all.

 

[DeepEnigma]

 

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[MagnesD3]

To break it down I'd give the gameplay on its own probably a 9.3 (Good) but the overall package as an experience a 9.7 (Amazing)

 

[Spitfire098]

 

[-Zelda-]

Not by a long shot. There was a time when I liked it, but the fanbase and also Neil Cuckmann and TLOU2 made sure I would never want to play another one of his games ever again. Nothing of value was lost.

 

[El Pistolero]

I would put it, alongside FFVII, as the only other story-heavy game in my personal gotys top ten. A very, very special title which, I believe, reignited the belief in the importance of AAA single player projects.

 

[brian0057]

It's not even the third best game Naughty Dog has ever made.

 

[Shakka43]

It definitely is at the top of my list. The remake(a little) and tv show(a lot) have been let downs though.

 

[brian0057]

Double post.
Ignore. Or don't. It's a free forum.

 

[Guilty_AI]

It's not even the third best game Naughty Dog has ever made.

It's not even the third best game Naughty Dog has ever made.

It's not even the third best game Naughty Dog has ever made.

 

[brian0057]

It's not even the third best game Naughty Dog has ever made.

There was a blackout where I live and I'm running on cell data.
It's been shit. Hence, the double post.

 

[Danjin44]

Double post.
Ignore.

 

[Hugare]

I almost cant find flaws in it, so yes

Story, presentation, soundtrack, acting, pacing, level design, I wouldnt change a thing.

Especially pacing. I think it has the best pacing in a narrative focused game, ever.

It was such lighting in a bottle that even ND themselves werent able to recreate what was special with it in TLOU 2

So much so that I even think that the remake missed some things, so I preffer replaying the PS4 version.

 

[HazukiSensei]

I think uncharted 2 (specifically 2)was....a superior game to be honest.

It was simply better at integrating puzzles, encounters and set pieces and making it all blend seemlessly with the pacing.

Tlou and druckman however, dont know how to do that.

The game becomes rooms where you know ahead of time:

"this is the puzzle section"

"This is the stealth section"

"This is the narrative section"

Druckman isnt good at blending it. And to be fucking honest, IMO uncharted 2 is far better and people wanting to be pretentious and want the medium to feel "mature" played a huge role in tlou now being seen as their opus.

Which is criminal because now people forget how crazy well recieved uncharted 2 was. The sequels to it were NOT as well paced either.

 

[Bonfires Down]

What happened to just being a very good game? It might be in my top 50 but not in my top 20.

 

[HazukiSensei]

I almost cant find flaws in it, so yes

Story, presentation, soundtrack, acting, pacing, level design, I wouldnt change a thing.

Especially pacing. I think it has the best pacing in a narrative focused game, ever.

It was such lighting in a bottle that even ND themselves werent able to recreate what was special with it in TLOU 2

So much so that I even think that the remake missed some things, so I preffer replaying the PS4 version.

Really? I feel uncharted 2 was tge lightning in the bottle and the other titles couldnt capture that again, even though they were reviewed well.

And Tlou 2 actually had more interesting gameplay elements haha

But thats just me

 

[Portugeezer]

I really liked the PS4 remaster back in 2014.

Maybe can squeeze into my top 10.

 

[Clear]

Of its type, yes.

No point in arguing beyond that, games are too broad a church to have one "true" form.

 

[Jormatar]

Of course it is. I'm all about that gameplay in my games and while TLOU1 wasn't the greatest in that area it's still one of the most memorable gaming experiences for me after all these years.

 

[Yoboman]

Yes, yes I do

 

[Luigi Mario]

If you mean make more Hollywood style story telling that have mass appeal sure, before TLOU we had amazing stories in video games, in my opinion Silent Hill 2 shit all over TLOU.

Difference is Silent Hill 2's story is not gonna appeal to your average joe.

Funnily enough, some films that inspired the Silent Hill series are also mainstream productions funded by large Hollywood studios.
The storytelling in Silent Hill might be more abstract than TLOU’s very literal approach but let’s make it clear that they are both pulling from well known sources.

 

[Hugare]

Really? I feel uncharted 2 was tge lightning in the bottle and the other titles couldnt capture that again, even though they were reviewed well.

And Tlou 2 actually had more interesting gameplay elements haha

But thats just me

Uncharted 2 was also lighting in a bottle. Everything was 10/10.

But TLOU was more ambitious, story wise. Nate, Helena, Chloe were cool, but you wouldnt give a shit if something happened with them.

Meanwhile, people were crying 20 minutes into TLOU.

Without U2, there wouldnt be a TLOU. But TLOU was a more matured ND, and it showed.

Also yes, TLOU 2 improved the gameplay elements, but gameplay is only part of the equation. And arguibly not the most important one for the franchise.

 

[Ansphn]

Yes for it's time, it was a game changer in so many ways.

 

[LaughingStock]

It's a good game with mundane gameplay and great acting.

 

[MayauMiao]

It had one of the best story but gameplay mostly okay but never "the best".

 

[Flabagast]

it's a very good game and the 2 is even better, but no, there are a lot more games that had a bigger impact on the medium on a fundamental level

 

[lachesis]

For me, the awe of 1st playthru was right up there when I played RE4.
Difference is that I don't really feel like playing it again after completing the game.

For some reason, recent story-centric Naughty Dog games seem to offer relatively lower replay values, like Uncharted series and all... and I'm not talking about online mode or even something like Mercenary mode for RE - just the single campaign itself - especially if it's compared to something similar genre like RE series.

Of course, the story itself was much better than any RE games that I enjoyed very much - but after beating the game - I didn't feel like playing it again at all. (but I did, one more time)

 

[StylishMGTOW]

Pre-TLOU Part II? Top 10, easily.

Post-TLOU Part II? LOL, not even in top 100.