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Saw it in IMAX 3D and loved every minute of it. I'm also wondering what the Ms. Marvel reference was. And I see people complaining that he didn't win a fight but I thought that was actually refreshing.

Yeah, I'm a little confused at that since that was a big part of the narrative and his arc.

His scenes arguing with Mordo, especially the one in the Sanctum Santorum, explicitly had Strange say how when he became a doctor he took an oath not to take a person's life. Mordo sees fighting an killing to protect others as something he must do but Strange approaches issues by trying to think outside the box (as demonstrated in his approach for learning). The Ancient One highlights this as Strange's strength in being flexible while Mordo is rigid in his thinking. It's that flexibility that allowed Strange to figure out a way to stop Dormamu when he knew he wasn't powerful enough to beat him with violence even if he tried.

I could see Strange trying to take an intellectual approach to threats before he is forced to resort to violence and that makes him a very interesting character in a universe where all the heroes solve their problems with violence. I guess Vision is the closest comparison since he's someone who is massively powerful but often uses his power to subdue or prevent a fight rather than fight.
 
I wonder if Strange walk around new york with his full costume, complete with the cloak and gloves.

Also, how does Strange make his money? We know he's not rich. Does he work as supernatural consultant or something?
 
Phenomenal movie. I think it's Marvel best origin's story since Iron Man and it's definitely up there along with their top films (IM, Avengers, Winter Soldier, GOTG). Cumberbatch is about the best casting for one of Marvel's characters since RDJ too. Just a fantastic movie, and pure visual bonbon.

I can't believe I've finally seen Dormammu in a movie. What a crazy ass finale. I can't believe how badass that all was. My only slights are Baron Mordo's turn being a tad forced IMO, and Mads Mikkelsen being somewhat wasted (He needed a backstory scene to pay off, in the scene where he cries. I wanted to know how badly hurt by life he was, to cry over death disappearing forever. It screams dead wife or child, but we didn't see shite. Shades of Zemo yes, but I wanted it).

The humor was fantastic. My audience was laughing their ass off the whole time and it was amazing. I didn't think the film was going to be this funny. I just can't wait to see this one again.
 
Can someone explain to me what was going on in this movie? What's the mirror reality and what is its purpose? What's the point of all the architecture manipulation, other than to look kinda cool and trippy? Is all of that geography morphing actually happening in the real world or the mirror world?

What exactly is the extent of Strange's powers? He can make magical weapons, create portals, rewind/loop time, and engage in astral projection. Also, I guess he can fly? Is that the result of his powers or his cloak? Why does he spend so much time running away from the villains if he can fly?

There was a thread earlier in the week about how Strange is too overpowered. Did they do anything to limit his capabilities here, or is he basically just Matrix Reloaded Neo, who can do pretty much anything?
 
I watched it two days ago, and while I did enjoy it I thought the third act was meh. I enjoyed the origin story and the "journey" more than the generic superhero stuff in the last 30 minutes or so. I thought some of the comedy worked, some didn't (that Beyonce thing...smh).

Cumberbatch and Swinton were both awesome, McAdams didn't really have much to work with I keep reminding myself that she was actually in the movie. Overall, it's enjoyable but not memorable.
 
Loved it. I'm planning on watching this a couple of times in theaters. Best part of the movie is
the final battle and how he uses time to rewind, and undo the damage. It was really really cool. Never seen that before.
 
This is one of those films where I wish I didn't see any trailers or tv spots, as some of the best visual effects were spoiled by them. I would've loved to go in blind.
 
Can someone explain to me what was going on in this movie? What's the mirror reality and what is its purpose? What's the point of all the architecture manipulation, other than to look kinda cool and trippy? Is all of that geography morphing actually happening in the real world or the mirror world?

What exactly is the extent of Strange's powers? He can make magical weapons, create portals, rewind/loop time, and engage in astral projection. Also, I guess he can fly? Is that the result of his powers or his cloak? Why does he spend so much time running away from the villains if he can fly?

There was a thread earlier in the week about how Strange is too overpowered. Did they do anything to limit his capabilities here, or is he basically just Matrix Reloaded Neo, who can do pretty much anything?

World bending normally can only happened in mirror dimension, like during the very first fight scene with ancient one vs kaecillus. But after kaecillus done the ritual and make contact with dormammu, he could bend reality in the real world. So in the first battle scene and in the new york escape scene. Thise are mirror dimension, but the fight inside New York sanctum where Kaecillus manipulate the floor to prevent Strange running, those happened in the real world.

When Kaecillus want to destroy New York sanctum (this is after Strange is treated by Christine). Strange put up the mirror dimension, so that Kaecillus attack didn't effect the real New York sanctum.

This turn out to be a mistake because Kaecillus world bending power is even more powerful in the mirror dimension and can affect the whole city.

Many of strange ability come from magic artifact, he flies with the cloak, and manipulate time with eye of agamotto.
 
what was it?

I missed it. What was it?

http://www.ew.com/article/2016/11/05/doctor-strange-easter-eggs-spoilers

Another patient, which Strange was more interested in working on, was a woman in her 20s who was struck by lightning – a serious injury complicated by an electronic implant in her brain to help quell her schizophrenia.

When asked if this was a reference to Captain Marvel, who will be played by Oscar-winner Brie Larson in an upcoming film, Derrickson said he could neither confirm nor deny. But he was smiling (so infer from that what you like).
 
World bending normally can only happened in mirror dimension, like during the very first fight scene with ancient one vs kaecillus. But after kaecillus done the ritual and make contact with dormammu, he could bend reality in the real world. So in the first battle scene and in the new york escape scene. These are mirror dimension, but the fight inside New York sanctum where Kaecillus manipulate the floor to prevent Strange running, those happened in the real world.

If Kaecillius can world-bend in our reality, why does he have to attack the Sanctums? Why not drop a skyscraper on them or something?
 
This is one of those films where I wish I didn't see any trailers or tv spots, as some of the best visual effects were spoiled by them. I would've loved to go in blind.

Luckily for me, I went in completely blind. The movie didn't interest me, until I heard the positive buzz for it. So happy I took the chance.^^
 
If Kaecillius can world-bend in our reality, why does he have to attack the Sanctums? Why not drop a skyscraper on them or something?

I'm assuming it has spells protecting it from certain types of damage or attacks.

Tilda Swinton was so good in this. My favorite line was "did you see THAT in a gift shop?"
 
If Kaecillius can world-bend in our reality, why does he have to attack the Sanctums? Why not drop a skyscraper on them or something?
Because he probably can't world bending in that large scale in reality. We've only see he world bend like small parts like in a hallway or a room. He can only do the city scale bending in mirror dimension.
 
I really liked this. Easily the most creative and visually arresting of the Marvel movies, save maybe Guardians.

And hands down the coolest magic spell stuff I've ever seen in a film.
 
I'm assuming it has spells protecting it from certain types of damage or attacks.

Tilda Swinton was so good in this. My favorite line was "did you see THAT in a gift shop?"

Because he probably can't world bending in that large scale in reality. We've only see he world bend like small parts like in a hallway or a room. He can only do the city scale bending in mirror dimension.

I know it's a pointless line of inquiry, it just seems silly to attack the Sanctums and engage in hand-to-hand combat with their protectors. Why not create a portal to their lobby and lob a bomb through it?
 
I know it's a pointless line of inquiry, it just seems silly to attack the Sanctums and engage in hand-to-hand combat with their protectors. Why not create a portal to their lobby and lob a bomb through it?
There are likely defenses that would just put it into the mirror dimension where it would become harmless
 
Does Strange do the circular hand motion to summon portals in the comics? In that one scene where he was running away in the mirror realm, he kept doing that same motion repeatedly and while running in a straight line and it looked a bit silly.
 
Does Strange do the circular hand motion to summon portals in the comics? In that one scene where he was running away in the mirror realm, he kept doing that same motion repeatedly and while running in a straight line and it looked a bit silly.
Well, he is still a newbie. Maybe when he got powerful in the sequel he can create a portal with just 1 circular motion instead of having to do the circle a couple times before the portal opened.
 
There are likely defenses that would just put it into the mirror dimension where it would become harmless

Which just brings me to another weird point.....can Kaecillius and his minions not just shift out of the mirror dimension? Strange drops that shit on them like it's some big trump card...."Ha ha, you're actually in the mirror dimension!" But as far as I can tell all these wizards can just shift between reality and the mirror at will. I don't really have any idea why they waste 20 minutes trying to run down Strange when all they have to do is blow up the Sanctum. It reminds me of how in Civil War the Avengers wasted 20 minutes fighting each other when all they needed to do was blow up (or escape in) the jet that Captain America wanted to commandeer.
 
Liked Doctor Strange but I felt like it could have been longer. On the one hand it leaving me wanting more Strange is a great thing (because I do want to see way more of this character on the big screen), but on the other I think the film would have been improved a lot if a few specific sequences had some more time to breathe.

Specifically I think Strange's life before going to Nepal could really have been expanded on. We really only get one big scene with him being a Surgeon and then the stuff with Christine is used to fill in other gaps. But if the movie took it slower and really held built up his character more than just an asshole caricature it really would have benefited. This is a common problem I find with modern blockbusters though, in a rush to get to the action they rush through important sections that could be used for integral character development. At only around 2 hours they could have afforded 10 more minutes here.

The other section that could have used a bit more time was Strange's training. Obviously he's not done learning by the end of the movie, but it still felt like he progressed pretty fast. Maybe some sort of indication of passage of time would have helped here because it was impossible to tell if this all happened over the course of a few weeks, months, or years.

I loved all the action sequences, very creative. Kaecillius was well done for what he was, but could have been even better. Definitely not a Malekith-tier badguy but not great either. He could have used more time as well. Final confrontation with Dormmamu was fantastic and completely unexpected. Very Doctor Strange.

Overall really pleased a big budget Doctor Strange film was made. Feels like it was on the cusp of being a timeless classic though and instead fell into the pitfalls of modern film-making with a bit too fast a pace, leaving little breathing room for character development.

Definitely in the upper half of MCU films for me.

Oh and I'm pretty excited that Strange will apparently be in Thor 3 also, which I somehow had also avoided discovering so was a pleasant surprise.


Minor Nitpick: Still disappointed there was no vocal incantations, but I suppose there's a remote chance that could come down the line as Strange further masters his abilities.
 
Just got back to my place after seeing this in 3D! I usually hate 3D, but it worked super well for this movie! I thought the movie was beautiful and a lot of fun! Probably my third favorite Marvel film after Guardians and Winter Soldier
 
2. i refer about the "look"
this looks badass as hell
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Comparing a physical form vs a dimension form meh
 
Did people actually like Doctor Strange, as a character? He was just a sarcastic asshole the whole way through the movie. He's basically Tony Stark without any charisma or charm.
 
Which just brings me to another weird point.....can Kaecillius and his minions not just shift out of the mirror dimension? Strange drops that shit on them like it's some big trump card...."Ha ha, you're actually in the mirror dimension!" But as far as I can tell all these wizards can just shift between reality and the mirror at will. I don't really have any idea why they waste 20 minutes trying to run down Strange when all they have to do is blow up the Sanctum. It reminds me of how in Civil War the Avengers wasted 20 minutes fighting each other when all they needed to do was blow up (or escape in) the jet that Captain America wanted to commandeer.

No, they can't shift out of the mirror dimension unless they have a sling ring, and only Strange had one during that fight.
 
Which just brings me to another weird point.....can Kaecillius and his minions not just shift out of the mirror dimension? Strange drops that shit on them like it's some big trump card...."Ha ha, you're actually in the mirror dimension!" But as far as I can tell all these wizards can just shift between reality and the mirror at will. I don't really have any idea why they waste 20 minutes trying to run down Strange when all they have to do is blow up the Sanctum. It reminds me of how in Civil War the Avengers wasted 20 minutes fighting each other when all they needed to do was blow up (or escape in) the jet that Captain America wanted to commandeer.

they can't destroy the sanctum when inside the mirror dimension, also, when Strange run out of the building, he took Kaecillus sling ring so Kaecillus can't escape the mirror dimension via portal.
 
No, they can't shift out of the mirror dimension unless they have a sling ring, and only Strange had one during that fight.
they can't destroy the sanctum when inside the mirror dimension, also, when Strange run out of the building, he took Kaecillus sling ring so Kaecillus can't escape the mirror dimension via portal.

Does Kaecillius actually get his ring back at some point? I don't remember seeing that.
 
Does Kaecillius actually get his ring back at some point? I don't remember seeing that.

he grab it from Ancient One I think, then open a portal behind her and kicker her through letting her fall in the real world.
edit: or he got it from Strange shortly before Ancient One shows up. I forget
 
Cool movie, liked it a lot. The visuals are something else. I'll probably have to go see it in imax 3d.

Them not wearing facemasks during surgery (sometimes) was bothering me more than it should have I think :P
 
Just to clear something up because I think a lot of people missed it: Mordo's after credits scene happens months after he left. It's not like he turned crazy a week after.

Also I don't think Dormammu was just a flying head. Pretty sure one or two of the times he killed Strange was with a giant overhand fist smash. I'd have to watch it again to be sure though.
 
he grab it from Ancient One I think, then open a portal behind her and kicker her through letting her fall in the real world.
edit: or he got it from Strange shortly before Ancient One shows up. I forget

He got it from Strange right before Ancient shows up.

Why didn't Strange run out of the mirror dimension when he had both rings? I know he was trying to open a portal and stuff, was that him trying to leave? Dude kept opening the portal 30 feet ahead of him instead of next to him. Come on man!

Dormammu was a giant body IIRC, not just a head. Just hard to see
 
I know it's a pointless line of inquiry, it just seems silly to attack the Sanctums and engage in hand-to-hand combat with their protectors. Why not create a portal to their lobby and lob a bomb through it?

This is one of those cases where "he didn't" is a sufficient answer.

1) we saw his squad channeling weird mage-ball shit, so they probably have to be there.
2) dude is setting out to destroy the world. he's an egomaniac and he wanted to do shit personally.
 
This is one of those cases where "he didn't" is a sufficient answer.

1) we saw his squad channeling weird mage-ball shit, so they probably have to be there.
2) dude is setting out to destroy the world. he's an egomaniac and he wanted to do shit personally.

A bomb would be more effective.

It honestly begs the question, if someone could mind-bend the environment to match their thoughts....why not find the villains easily?
 
Good film but definitely on the safe side which seems to be Disney's approach. The movie is always moving which is often to its detriment. No one lesson for Strange is experienced with the audience. In fact, The Ancient One, kind of spills the beans to Strange while shes dieing. "Her are your flaws and why you're being held back."

Definitely a neat visual film, Cumberbatch brought a unique character to life. The villains were cardboard and interchangeable. Like a bad guy on a Star Trek episode, only the main guy gets any lines.

I did notice a ton of talking, long sequences of just straight up exposition and explanations being thrown at characters. It felt a little inelegant, and may bog down the film for repeated viewings.
 
I did notice a ton of talking, long sequences of just straight up exposition and explanations being thrown at characters. It felt a little inelegant, and may bog down the film for repeated viewings.

I like the exposition because it's just world building with weird imaginative stuff, and I think at least for the first movie, it's warranted. it has a lot of stuff to setup

actually, I think I love all the exposition scenes in MCU movies. espeically the Guardian of The Galaxy scene where it dumps the infinity stone exposition to you.
 
I didn't think it weird rather it set the record straight for the end of Thor 2. It makes much more sense for Odin to ask Loki to impersonate him than for Loki to overthrow Odin. Thor was able to see through Loki's illusions beforeband upon seeing the scene again clearly Loki came before Odin himself as the soldier carrying the message of his demise.

Possibly but at the end of Thor 2 Thor believes that Loki is dead and there is no information to lead the audience to believe whether or not that Loki is still working with Thanos. It will be interesting to see when a trailer for Thor 3 releases what information is shown.
 
Did people actually like Doctor Strange, as a character? He was just a sarcastic asshole the whole way through the movie. He's basically Tony Stark without any charisma or charm.

I think he's got some wrinkles to him that make him different from Stark. And some of those wrinkles are deeper. Him nonchalantly refusing treatment for people who absolutely need it just because he doesn't think it's as "glamorous" is super fucked and goes beyond Stark's general assholishness.
 
I love the various way Dormammu kill Strange, I just wished we got more scenes of Strange putting up a fight even though he lost every time and some dramatic shot to convey that he's been fighting for a long time and maybe scene of him almost giving up but ultimately keep going at it. or some scene of Dormammu mocking Strange because Strange is just as trapped in the time loop as Dormammu is. ultimately it's a battle of wills of who can last the longest and Strange narrowly won instead of seemingly winning easy enough to still make jokes when he got out.
 
I love the various way Dormammu kill Strange, I just wished we got more scenes of Strange putting up a fight even though he lost every time and some dramatic shot to convey that he's been fighting for a long time and maybe scene of him almost giving up but ultimately keep going at it. or some scene of Dormammu mocking Strange because Strange is just as trapped in the time loop as Dormammu is. ultimately it's a battle of wills of who can last the longest and Strange narrowly won instead of seemingly winning easy enough to still make jokes when he got out.

yeah same, also wish there was point at where Dormamu realizes its pointless to kill him, so tries torture instead to get him to break the spell.

Still an absolutely fantastic movie though, one of Marvel's best.
 
A bomb would be more effective.

It honestly begs the question, if someone could mind-bend the environment to match their thoughts....why not find the villains easily?

No. the fact that he doesn't telefrag the temples means either he can't or else he hubrises. Which makes sense.
 
The ending climax made the film worthwhile -- really want to echo that the beginning felt rushed as did his training. I didn't care about him. Enjoyable enough, perfectly Marvel film. Think this one lands on the Thor side of things that many dismiss but for the visuals.
 
Possibly but at the end of Thor 2 Thor believes that Loki is dead and there is no information to lead the audience to believe whether or not that Loki is still working with Thanos. It will be interesting to see when a trailer for Thor 3 releases what information is shown.

Not to knock Marvel, but I strongly doubt that was always their plan if it's true. Loki looked evil as fuck at the end of Thor 2.
 
I didn't think it weird rather it set the record straight for the end of Thor 2. It makes much more sense for Odin to ask Loki to impersonate him than for Loki to overthrow Odin. Thor was able to see through Loki's illusions beforeband upon seeing the scene again clearly Loki came before Odin himself as the soldier carrying the message of his demise.

We literally have no idea where in Thor Rangarok that scene takes place. We have no idea why Thor and Loki are working together and if Loki is even doing this of his own free will or if it's another Thor Dark World situation.

Also, how does it make more sense for Odin to ask Loki to impersonate him? There's nothing in Dark World that would indicate that.
 
Why didn't Strange run out of the mirror dimension when he had both rings? I know he was trying to open a portal and stuff, was that him trying to leave? Dude kept opening the portal 30 feet ahead of him instead of next to him. Come on man!

Normally they open the portal right in front of them while they are standing still and it takes time. Strange and Mordo were in a full sprint, so presumably he had to open it further to give him time to complete the portal, otherwise they'd blow right past it. That's just my guess, though.
 
I wonder if Strange walk around new york with his full costume, complete with the cloak and gloves.

Also, how does Strange make his money? We know he's not rich. Does he work as supernatural consultant or something?
We never bother to think where comic book characters make their money mind you :p
 
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