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Sweet, then I'm definitely eager for that followup. Would be rad if they could get Guillermo Del Toro to direct, I loved how he handled it in Hellboy (if they changed directors, I mean).

Also: Tilda Swinton was great in this, as is usual for her. Great addition to the list of actors who walk between the two worlds (DC & Marvel).
 
I really kinda hope they do change directors.

I feel guilty for saying that since I'm rooting for Peyton Reed's follow up with Ant-Man and the Wasp.
 
guek said:
I really kinda hope they do change directors.

I feel guilty for saying that since I'm rooting for Peyton Reed's follow up with Ant-Man and the Wasp.
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And who would you replace him with?
 
Awesome movie, one of my favorite Marvel films.......my biggest complaint was them using the defibrillator on asystole (no heart beat) lol, but yes that happens in all movies.
 
Just got out of this, thought it was really cool. Visuals were a highlight and the setpieces were plenty of fun. Swinton was so fucking good. Cumberbatch has a weird shaped head.

If I had a complaint, it's that I really liked McAdams' character and she deserved more screentime. Would be really easy for them to cut her and her subplot out in a sequel and I hope they don't. Glad to see they're already integrating Strange into the bigger MCU with that clip from Thor Ragnarok, dug the tone/feel of that scene and it bodes well for the full movie.

Dormammu, I've come to bargain.....
 
Just watched the movie. I enjoyed it actually. Kinda bummed that I didn't know there was a 2nd post credit scene so I missed that argh.
 
Litan said:
Was there something about Derrickson's directing you didn't like?
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The visual set pieces were great but a lot of the movie felt very pedestrian, particularly some of the gags. Like when he tries to go for the axe but the cape tries to point him elsewhere, those shots were very boring, as was the actual springing of the trap when he threw it on Kaecilius. Often times, there felt like there were two different directors, with the visual set pieces blowing me away and everything else feeling very flat.
 
Vostro said:
Just watched the movie. I enjoyed it actually. Kinda bummed that I didn't know there was a 2nd post credit scene so I missed that argh.
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I actually left the theater then remembered there might be a second one, googled it to confirm, and then went back in and watched it
 
Vostro said:
Just watched the movie. I enjoyed it actually. Kinda bummed that I didn't know there was a 2nd post credit scene so I missed that argh.
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Whenever I'm in the theater of a Marvel movie and the credits come up-I see all these people walking out and I wonder "at what point are people going to learn?"
 
This would be the definition of mediocre besides the visuals. None of the characters are done particularly well and the movie is too reserved in its narrative approach when it could have been better.
 
I mourn for those who didn't see it in imax 3D.

Does anybody know how likely it is that we'd ever see something like dolby atmos in the same theater as something like imax laser?

Do we yet know what dts is working on?
 
Is there any word on Baron Mordo showing up in Thor: Ragnarok? I thought the denouement was so bizarre if only for the fact that I couldn't imagine where they'd cram Baron Mordo in without a Doctor Strange 2 even on the schedule
 
evanmisha said:
Is there any word on Baron Mordo showing up in Thor: Ragnarok? I thought the denouement was so bizarre if only for the fact that I couldn't imagine where they'd cram Baron Mordo in without a Doctor Strange 2 even on the schedule
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I assumed he'd pop up in infinity war, surely?
 
evanmisha said:
Is there any word on Baron Mordo showing up in Thor: Ragnarok? I thought the denouement was so bizarre if only for the fact that I couldn't imagine where they'd cram Baron Mordo in without a Doctor Strange 2 even on the schedule
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Post-’Infinity War’ MCU And Why Those ‘Untitled’ 2020 Films May Be Untitled For A Very Good Reason

Where we go after Avengers; what those 2020 films are, we’re pretty sure what those are going to be… but if I tell you that, we’re getting into spoilers.
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Saw the movie. I thought it was fantastic, though they could've cut on the humor a little bit. The bit with the cape was ok, but it kinda went on for too long.
 
The characters aren't fleshed out that well, even the leads such as Strange and the Ancient One. That's probably the biggest sin of the film in that due to the choppiness of the pacing, the movie doesn't feel that tight but rather meandering instead. Strange's change of heart feels forced in that he becomes a better man because the plot dictates it more than anything else. The Ancient One drawing power from the Dark Dimension is just handwaived off instead of being properly explained. It's just utterly lacking on the character front.
 
I really enjoyed the movie, but I am surprised at how graphic some scenes are. People being impaled on rebar, thrown through car windows into cement, and the trippy introduction scene to magic. The part with the hands seriously messed with me.
 
It was really fun and tight (which is important to me). Possibly the tightest marvel film from beginning to end, also cohesive.

The effects were totally on point as well. Sure it would have been nice to get a few more trippy sequences but I think that would have added to the bloat that is generally so prevalent in these films.

Also I really appreciated that there wasn't an overly long action/fighty sequence at the end. I usually hate then endings of these kinds of films but this one was very restrained. Almost to the point that it might be my favourite confrontation/climax in the whole marvel film universe.

As far as my personal opinion goes I think it might squeak into my top three marvel movies and possibly might be number one after I give Guardians and Antman another watch.
 
I didn't love dormammu's design. I would rather have had him appear with the Cabeza de fuego.

Let him transform into the giant monster later.

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More flames and brimstone, less purple.
 
Arrrammis said:
I really enjoyed the movie, but I am surprised at how graphic some scenes are. People being impaled on rebar, thrown through car windows into cement, and the trippy introduction scene to magic. The part with the hands seriously messed with me.
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I thought so too but I wonder if they got around it because it was pexpletive being removed from those situations, not being killed.
 
Jarmel said:
The characters aren't fleshed out that well, even the leads such as Strange and the Ancient One. That's probably the biggest sin of the film in that due to the choppiness of the pacing, the movie doesn't feel that tight but rather meandering instead. Strange's change of heart feels forced in that he becomes a better man because the plot dictates it more than anything else. The Ancient One drawing power from the Dark Dimension is just handwaived off instead of being properly explained. It's just utterly lacking on the character front.
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The things they didn't dwell on didn't bother me personally, if they were to have stopped and explained those motivations, I feel the movie would have gotten bogged down.

My only real issue is that there is no breathing space between the Sanctum attack, Strange's confrontation with the bad guy the Ancient One dying and the final fight..

Something in there with Strange coming to terms with things after the Ancient Ones dies where he realises he has to take over would have helped, however not if it wasn't done well, and all of these films are terrible at introspection so probably better that they didn't bother.
 
StarCreator said:
It does - the Air and Space museum at the Smithsonian - but Doctor Strange doesn't seem to have showings there. Udvar-Hazy seems to carry mainstream movies longer.
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I forgot the Air and Space Museum is showing Arrival in IMAX instead this weekend. One of the few (only?) theaters showing Arrival in IMAX in the US
 
Jarmel said:
This would be the definition of mediocre besides the visuals. None of the characters are done particularly well and the movie is too reserved in its narrative approach when it could have been better.
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Sorry sorceress supreme was about as well done as I can imagine.
 
What bugged me was how easily the "master" of the London sanctum Santorum was killed off so easily. If he's supposed to be a master of such an important place couldn't they at least have him put up a better fight before he got killed?

It makes him look especially weak when u see strange able to take on all 3 of them and win.
 
Don't think I've posted in here yet but I loved the movie. In terms of rewatchability, it's outranked Ant Man and even Iron Man 1 for me to join the Avengers and GotG. Sad that there weren't any hints to Shuma Gorath that I could spot. Hopefully he joins Mordo to fuck with Strange in the next one despite the Empire interview where the director said he wanted Nightmare as the villian early on.

Jonogunn said:
What bugged me was how easily the "master" of the London sanctum Santorum was killed off so easily. If he's supposed to be a master of such an important place couldn't they at least have him put up a better fight before he got killed?

It makes him look especially weak when u see strange able to take on all 3 of them and win.
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I would have preferred both the NY master and Strange were forced to work together in the fight; maybe split up the team for a bit. The NY master could see Strange stumbling during the fight and end up blocking a blow and getting killed protecting Strange. Would have given the encounter a bit more weight and avoided the problem of making the master seem so weak.
 
GAMEPROFF said:
The Colonel in the test suit that was talked about moments before Stephan had his accident was Rhodey after got shot down by Vision, right?
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I'm pretty sure this is supposed to be the test pilot in Iron Man 2 during the Senate Hearings. It's the test pilot for the Hammer Suit that twists around and snaps the pilots back.

Gives you a bit of a time frame for the movie.

Maybe some else answered it after me.
 
Mighty Chin said:
I'm pretty sure this is supposed to be the test pilot in Iron Man 2 during the Senate Hearings. It's the test pilot for the Hammer Suit that twists around and snaps the pilots back.

Gives you a bit of a time frame for the movie.

Maybe some else answered it after me.
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Nah pretty sure it was Rhodey, as one of the opening skyline shots had the completed Avengers tower in it.
 
Jarmel said:
The characters aren't fleshed out that well, even the leads such as Strange and the Ancient One. That's probably the biggest sin of the film in that due to the choppiness of the pacing, the movie doesn't feel that tight but rather meandering instead. Strange's change of heart feels forced in that he becomes a better man because the plot dictates it more than anything else. The Ancient One drawing power from the Dark Dimension is just handwaived off instead of being properly explained. It's just utterly lacking on the character front.
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yeah I don't get these complaints. I understand some of the characters not being fleshed out but strange? strange's arc was great. the setup for him, the slow descent of everything he thought he knew, and eventually the total 180 in his character while still being strange. letting christine operate on him and basically apologizing for being an egotisical asshole, letting nic operate on the ancient one, and finally sacrificing himself for the greater good with the time loop.

and to complain that the pacing was meandering? if anything it was too focused. too tight. we get very little time with strange before the accident, when he goes to learn about the mystic arts it feels like he learns everything extremely quick, he gets thrown into the thick of things shortly after. I just don't understand that complaint that it's meandering. where exactly did the movie meander? I honestly can't think of a single spot.
 
phanphare said:
yeah I don't get these complaints. I understand some of the characters not being fleshed out but strange? strange's arc was great. the setup for him, the slow descent of everything he thought he knew, and eventually the total 180 in his character while still being strange. letting christine operate on him and basically apologizing for being an egotisical asshole, letting nic operate on the ancient one, and finally sacrificing himself for the greater good with the time loop.

and to complain that the pacing was meandering? if anything it was too focused. too tight. we get very little time with strange before the accident, when he goes to learn about the mystic arts it feels like he learns everything extremely quick, he gets thrown into the thick of things shortly after. I just don't understand that complaint that it's meandering. where exactly did the movie meander? I honestly can't think of a single spot.
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The problem is that none of it felt organic or earned. His 180 didn't come with some introspective moment but rather him just being thrown onto Everest. There's little sense that he himself did reflection leading up to him being a more humble man. This wasn't a problem with Iron Man because Stark is still pretty much Stark at the beginning of Iron Man to the end. Stark doesn't become more humble but rather seeing the damage his weapons can do, decides to make amends. Here we have Strange almost having a complete personality shift but without the scenes to make it feel like a natural climax.

Well when I say the pacing was meandering I mean that they burned through scenes that should have been longer such as the training and the negotiation with Dormammu but had these overly long fight scenes that were more about the CGI team wanking themselves off in front of the camera. For example the opening chase/fight sequence was completely unnecessary and didn't really add anything to the movie. It also hurts the arrival of the Ancient One later one when Strange is fighting in the Mirror Dimension. So much of the film was more about the setpieces than the actual story.
 
ColonialHawk said:
Nah pretty sure it was Rhodey, as one of the opening skyline shots had the completed Avengers tower in it.
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Wow, it has been a whole six days since this was last brought up. That has to be a new record.

WadiumArcadium said:
Apparently Scott Derrickson said in an interview with IGN it wasn't supposed to be a reference to Rhodes.
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That's besides the fact the reference was particular in saying it was "a 35 year old Marine Colonel" in "some kind of experimental armor", which does not fit Rhodes (who is Air Force, and either in his 40s or 50s by this point). The timeline doesn't make the Hammer test pilot a workable theory either, so it's neither.
 
Personally reading the Director says it's neither shows me that they missed a very simple opportunity to connect the movie in the MCU timeline. It should have been the test pilot from IM2. That would give Strange years to hone his abilities in Tibet.

Swing and a miss.
 
StarCreator said:
That's besides the fact the reference was particular in saying it was "a 35 year old Marine Colonel" in "some kind of experimental armor", which does not fit Rhodes (who is Air Force, and either in his 40s or 50s by this point). The timeline doesn't make the Hammer test pilot a workable theory either, so it's neither.
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Eugh well that's dumb

I'll keep my head canon that it is :P
 
Jarmel said:
The problem is that none of it felt organic or earned. His 180 didn't come with some introspective moment but rather him just being thrown onto Everest. There's little sense that he himself did reflection leading up to him being a more humble man. This wasn't a problem with Iron Man because Stark is still pretty much Stark at the beginning of Iron Man to the end. Stark doesn't become more humble but rather seeing the damage his weapons can do, decides to make amends. Here we have Strange almost having a complete personality shift but without the scenes to make it feel like a natural climax.

Well when I say the pacing was meandering I mean that they burned through scenes that should have been longer such as the training and the negotiation with Dormammu but had these overly long fight scenes that were more about the CGI team wanking themselves off in front of the camera. For example the opening chase/fight sequence was completely unnecessary and didn't really add anything to the movie. It also hurts the arrival of the Ancient One later one when Strange is fighting in the Mirror Dimension. So much of the film was more about the setpieces than the actual story.
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I guess we can disagree with strange's arc. I thought there were many small moments along the way that aided in his 180. I mean the thing that set it all in motion was the accident and then trying to find a way to cure himself and then having setback after setback after setback. then realizing that one person who has come back from such nerve damage was actually someone he denied working on because he thought it was a lost cause. then when he gets to the ancient one and hears her rationale he's only thinking about it in scientific terms and scoffs at the notion of the spirit and healing in that way. well then he gets pushed out of his own body, then he gets pushed through space and time essentially, coming face to face with things like the multiverse and the dark dimension. then he comes back humbled as hell and begs to be taught and is denied because he was such an arrogant prick before. then he sits outside for hours on end banging on the door. it wasn't just strange is a dick and then he gets put on everest. I'd go on but I'm basically just running through the entire movie at this point but I think the above should give you some insight into the bread crumbs along the way of his transformation.

burning through scenes that should have been longer is a complaint I will agree with you on. I would have loved to have had a bit more time with strange as a doctor and also a bit more time with strange learning the mystic arts, instead of seemingly going from 0 to 100 real quick. I think "meandering" is the wrong choice of word in that respect. I did think the negotiation scene was perfect though. any longer and the audience's patience would have been tested, which would have paralleled the movie but you can't do that imo. I thought they laid it out great where the first time he dies you're like "oh shit" then the time loop starts and you get where it's going. then they show a myriad of ways of him being destroyed. dormammu is dominating the shit out of him in numerous ways. I thought they did a good job of conveyed the time aspect as well as the pain. there's the bit where strange struggles to get up which I thought did a good job of conveying that even though he comes back every time he does have to deal with the pain of dying each time.

I also thought the opening scene set up the conflict well and introduced some major players of the story in an interesting way without really delving into who the characters were. it left me with lots of questions. the opening scene also set up why the ancient one let strange back in after kicking him out because there was a larger threat going on that they could use help with. I don't see how that hurt anything later on with the film.
 
Saw it in 3D today and the visuals were immense. Like I'm so glad I saw that in 3D. The special effects were sooo good. Loved the trippy/mind blowing sequences. Very fun and a complete feast for the eyes.

Other than that I rather enjoyed the film. Some slow/plodding bits that perhaps went on a bit. But the humour helped in places. Defo one of the stronger Marvel films.

I'll not forget the visual trickery in this for a while.
 
Loved the effects in the movie (what hasn't been said at this point) but what I loved wasthe end when Strange faced off against Dormammu in the Dark Dimension. How he "beat" him felt like I was reading it straight out of a comic-book. It was a clever way of defeating a character they spent the whole movie building up as "super god dimension king"
 
StarCreator said:
Wow, it has been a whole six days since this was last brought up. That has to be a new record.



That's besides the fact the reference was particular in saying it was "a 35 year old Marine Colonel" in "some kind of experimental armor", which does not fit Rhodes (who is Air Force, and either in his 40s or 50s by this point). The timeline doesn't make the Hammer test pilot a workable theory either, so it's neither.
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Oh i didn't know about the interview. I kinda focused in on the injury, colonel, and armor part, and thinking it was a connection to Rhodey due to where I thought the movie was in the timeline. Certainly seemed like a reference, but if the director says its not, its not.
 
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