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Does it matter that Scorpio will be more powerful then Neo?
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OnionPowder
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To me? A bit.
I already game on a PC that's stronger than both and own a ton of games on PS4 vs XB1 so I'd pick Neo over Scorpio anyday. Especially since it looks like Scorpio would only provide me with Halo if even.
I already game on a PC that's stronger than both and own a ton of games on PS4 vs XB1 so I'd pick Neo over Scorpio anyday. Especially since it looks like Scorpio would only provide me with Halo if even.
Of course it does. Xbox One owners on a whole have been far more excited and accepting of Scorpio than PS4 owners of Neo exactly because of the sizable upgrade it represents.
I don't know if it will matter enough to people who are already bought into the PlayStation ecosystem this gen due to game compatibility but I expect Scorpio to be more quickly adopted among the Xbox community.
I'm planning on getting Neo due to my sizeable PS4 library but I will be keeping tabs on how the differences between the new consoles manifest.
I don't know if it will matter enough to people who are already bought into the PlayStation ecosystem this gen due to game compatibility but I expect Scorpio to be more quickly adopted among the Xbox community.
I'm planning on getting Neo due to my sizeable PS4 library but I will be keeping tabs on how the differences between the new consoles manifest.
rakkadakka
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Did it matter that PS4 was more powerful than Xbox One?
I think outside of the muddled MS messaging that it did.
I'm not sure that'll close the huge lead that Sony has but for sure there are people out there that just want the most powerful box.
I think outside of the muddled MS messaging that it did.
I'm not sure that'll close the huge lead that Sony has but for sure there are people out there that just want the most powerful box.
justsomeguy
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It'll matter to some but with 20m xbox ones sold clearly power isn't the only factor people choose when deciding.
However as an Xbox fan it'll be bloody nice not to have to hide from df threads again 😂
However as an Xbox fan it'll be bloody nice not to have to hide from df threads again 😂
MightyHedgehog
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Of course, it does because specs are a factor in determining value, just like it always has been. At the very minimum, it will affect price and release timing. For the console war, it will always play a huge role whether people like it or not. Personally, without exclusive software, it will be less meaningful than such a gap might have been in the past, but MS has been here before with OG Xbox vs. PS2, at least in the sense that they have a significantly more powerful box to sell relative to their rival. I'm not sold on either console at this point, but we'll see how they sell them.
Proelite
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?????
If having the most powerful console was important to me (which it kinda is) and I was looking to buy a console today, I'd get the Xbox One. All of my games will transfer over to Scorpio.
I think its a very important fact today, not just in 2 months (rumored) to a year and a half.
I think its a very important fact today, not just in 2 months (rumored) to a year and a half.
Goose_Se7en
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I never understood this line of thinking. I don't play on PC and never have. I'm not opposed it, but I've always been a console gamer and I don't see that changing anytime. Scorpio is something I'm really liking forward to.
When the Xbox Play Anywhere initiative was announced my reaction was "awesome, more folks will get to play MS exclusives" which for devs and publishers may be a positive thing having a wider pool of people being able to buy and play your games.
Not once, not a single time did I stop and say,"throwing out my Xbox and playing on PC"
Never. And I'm pretty sure that I'm not the only one who thinks this way. There has to be a contingent of gamers who are primarily console gamers like myself.
CassidyIzABeast
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I think it does. The sole purpose of Neo and Scorpio is power and Scorpio is more powerful.
-The PC and Xbox consoles do not have identical libraries, sure I might be able to get Halo on PC, but will I be able to play FIFA with my Xbox Live friends? Will I be guaranteed releases like Destiny?
-Cost and general benefits of console gaming
-Again, cost and general benefits of console gaming
-And for the third and final time bolded, Most People In The Market Like The Cost And General Benefits Of Console Gaming
I have a 4000USD +++ PC and am still gonna buy Scorpio. Not buying Neo because there is literally nothing that interest me there. People have different tastes .
taizuke
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There's no doubt Microsoft has been doing their best trying to win people over but a part of me feels they're missing the point with Scorpio being almost a generation ahead in Power.
Clearly they saw the PS4 being more powerful than X1 and thought "We will outdo them just you wait" when a combination of good things (as pointed by many above) is what has made the PS4 more appealing and not just power.
I think we'll still see the PS4 Neo outsell Scorpio and they'll be baffled as to why.
Clearly they saw the PS4 being more powerful than X1 and thought "We will outdo them just you wait" when a combination of good things (as pointed by many above) is what has made the PS4 more appealing and not just power.
I think we'll still see the PS4 Neo outsell Scorpio and they'll be baffled as to why.
That's not an easy question to answer. PS4 was also cheaper and Sony had a positive reveal followed by months on simply sitting back and watching MS implode.
Yep, and there are people that will appreciate the convenience of being able to plug their console into whatever display is most convenient and have access to a portion of their PC library.
SmoothRunningGun
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Exclusives are more important.
Sangetsu-II
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Oh lord, lol.
I think he meant for this year PS4 is going to have another "thing" in its corner unlike Scorpio that will get VR support by 2018 considering they don't think of VR as something meaningful for launch.
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Yes it does, it's going to be a big selling point to be able to call your console 'the most powerful console ever made' and use that as your main marketing line. I don't know that it pushes the xbox to market dominance once again, as I'm not sure that the power argument will be enough to push the xbox back to number 1 (we don't know enough about other variables such as price, software, etc. so it's tough to speculate). But the hardware combined with MS's improved messaging will certainly help their positioning a lot.
Ultimately, I think this will matter more for the enthusiast/hardcore crowd.
Ultimately, I think this will matter more for the enthusiast/hardcore crowd.
Kaji AF16
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Very subjective and subordinated to other decisions and tastes, I believe.
Case A: I am very confortable in the Xbox ecosystem, even if its current hardware is weaker than its main competition. Does regaining the horsepower lead matter to me? Not much, but I will eventually upgrade to Scorpio because I want to game on a Microsoft console.
Case B: Some friends, among millions of other people, jumped ship at the beggining of this generation with the PS4 advantage in power as one of the main drivers. Will Scorpio´s 6 TF tempt some of them to return to Xbox? It´s very possible.
Case C: You are a very high-end PC gamer or you love Playstation exclusives. The "most powerful console ever" won´t interest you if it is made by Microsoft.
Case A: I am very confortable in the Xbox ecosystem, even if its current hardware is weaker than its main competition. Does regaining the horsepower lead matter to me? Not much, but I will eventually upgrade to Scorpio because I want to game on a Microsoft console.
Case B: Some friends, among millions of other people, jumped ship at the beggining of this generation with the PS4 advantage in power as one of the main drivers. Will Scorpio´s 6 TF tempt some of them to return to Xbox? It´s very possible.
Case C: You are a very high-end PC gamer or you love Playstation exclusives. The "most powerful console ever" won´t interest you if it is made by Microsoft.
wumster3000
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Yes, it matter to me and a lot of people.
But I will always have a PlayStation in my home. I will just use my PC and Scorpio more for third party games.
But I will always have a PlayStation in my home. I will just use my PC and Scorpio more for third party games.
Huge Succeeded
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console thread: "who would buy Scorpio when they could just play those Xbox games on PC now? I mean seriously"
PC thread: "why don't PC owners ever acknowledge all the reasons people choose to play on console over PC? I mean seriously"
PC thread: "why don't PC owners ever acknowledge all the reasons people choose to play on console over PC? I mean seriously"
digoutyoursoul
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Yes
Don't backtrack, you know who you are
Don't backtrack, you know who you are
Chill Penguin
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Exclusives are dominated by third party games. For the average gamer it means nothing.
Power is only one piece of a much larger puzzle IMO. Sony tends to have a more robust library of 1st/2nd party titles, and is willing to take risks more often on unknowns. Unless MS really steps up their 1st/2nd party game output beyond Forza, Halo, and Gears, I'll still go the PS platform more than MS simply due to more of the games I want to play.
In the end, I'll likely own both a Scorpio and a Neo, tho, just like I own a PS4 and an XB1 right now.
I'd argue that a lot of people buy one system or the other for the exclusives, then play 3rd party titles on that system as a result.
In the end, I'll likely own both a Scorpio and a Neo, tho, just like I own a PS4 and an XB1 right now.
I'd argue that a lot of people buy one system or the other for the exclusives, then play 3rd party titles on that system as a result.
Lactose_Intolerant
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If it wasn't attached to xbox one games, it would be a bigger deal that it is more powerful. Right now it just seems that they will have xbone games in 4k. That doesn't excite me at all. Same with Sony and the Neo.
I think so too. If the Wii U was the strongest console I'd still buy my games on playstation. I just prefer the fast UI and the controller. I think having a faster system will even it out a bit more and people will be able to choose based on what controller they like or other features. The xbox ui really soured me. Why is it so slow and bad with ads everywhere? If they make the UI better I would do more gaming on xbox. I'll buy the console and play the exclusives but I won't buy any 3rd party games on it if you UI is bad again.
family_guy
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It doesn't matter if the platform lacks the games you like. PS4 is clearly better than Xbox One on a technical level, but there are people who still bought a One because the software and services speak to them in a way that Playstation doesn't. However I'll just say people would be fooling themselves if they think Scorpio is going to dramatically change the tide in terms of sales. I'm sure its customers will be happy with what they got though.
And third party games sell better on the most popular console, not in the most powerful.
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As a PC gamer, no, because I don't buy a console for multi plats I buy them for exclusives and Sony has all the ones I want to play.
Crimsonsky
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A year later? Probably not. The PS4 rocks the xbone, but I don't think that's the dominant reason it sells so much more. Sony has really taken the lead this gen. That will be a tough nut to crack. Although not impossible for MS. Best of luck to them.
Jarod McChicken
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The thing here is we are not talking about the start of a new generation. By the time Scorpio is out, there will be something like 60 or 65 million PS4 & NEO on the market. Scorpio is not going to change much about the fact that the console war is already over. It was over from the moment Microsoft decided to change they strategy by putting all their games on PC and stop competing with Sony by hiding numbers. I mean, Phil Spencer said himself during E3 :
As from the advantage of being the more powerful console, it will probably help to close some gap, but we need to see how it will really matters when comparing a NEO version vs. a Scorpio version, since the games will still be PS4 and Xbox One games at core. Microsoft will regain the power advantage from some time... until Kotaku brings us the first PS5 rumored spec, probably one year later
As from the advantage of being the more powerful console, it will probably help to close some gap, but we need to see how it will really matters when comparing a NEO version vs. a Scorpio version, since the games will still be PS4 and Xbox One games at core. Microsoft will regain the power advantage from some time... until Kotaku brings us the first PS5 rumored spec, probably one year later
Not overly, no. Sony already has a big share of the marketplace, an upgraded PS4 that will likely be available before Scorpio and a VR headset coming out in a few months time.
It's a great thing to release your exclusives on PC for a bigger audience, but I do see that reducing interest in Scorpio as well. Not that it really matters, considering Windows 10 is making them money as well, so allowing games to release on both platforms at once is a far better idea than trying to keep them permanently on console.
It's a great thing to release your exclusives on PC for a bigger audience, but I do see that reducing interest in Scorpio as well. Not that it really matters, considering Windows 10 is making them money as well, so allowing games to release on both platforms at once is a far better idea than trying to keep them permanently on console.
LordBaztion
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I think it will affect to console enthusiasts who already have a PS4, play mostly third party games and care about performance.
It won't change the tide in favor of MS but will help (alongside their recent consumer friendly moves) to reinvigorate the image of MS in front of the gaming audiences.
It won't change the tide in favor of MS but will help (alongside their recent consumer friendly moves) to reinvigorate the image of MS in front of the gaming audiences.
This is stupid.
You want the best performance you get a PC, period.
Ps4 neo and Xbox Scorpio are not new consoles. The whole list of ps4 "console" exclusives is so large, and will be even larger when the scorpio is out, that it won't be relevant at all.
You can play any xbox game on PC, you can only play ps4 games on ps4.
You can pretend all you want that games like persona 5 and Spiderman, or Dreams, won't matter, but you'd be deluding yourself.
Pc PS4/Neo NX is the best combo. The Scoprio is mostly for people that have no clue what they're getting.
infiniteheteroskdasticity
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It shouldn't for a few very simple reasons (assuming all the leaked information about the Neo is reasonably accurate.
1. Release date - The Neo should be released around a year before the Scorpio (I'm predicting Q416/Q117 for the Neo and Q417/Q118 for the Scorpio). A year is a long, long time to have the perceived "premium console" market with just one player.
2. Price - The Neo will be cheaper than the Scorpio. Its specs are basically a 14nm refresh of the PS4. The Scorpio will have to use some bleeding edge AMD designs to meet its performance targets anytime in the next 18 months. That won't be cheap. Neither MSFT or Sony will sell loss leading hardware ever again. All this points to the Scorpio being more expensive. I don't think the PS4/X1 sales gap has much (if anything) to do with power. The $100 price difference at launch was the real difference maker.
3. Graphical differences - at the leaked specs I just don't see there being enough of a power gap for Scorpio games to look noticeably better. Just like the PS4 does now, I'm sure it will win all the DF comparisons but I doubt the extra power will be noticeable to most people.
4. Digital Libraries - I actually think this is the most important reason why it won't matter. Digital games have made up an increasing percentage of total sales this generation. Neo/Scorpio aren't a new gen. They are designed to play PS4/X1 libraries. I don't see many people giving up their PS4 libraries to switch to an Xbox just because DF says games run better on it, particularly if it means paying up and waiting at least a year longer. Sure, they could buy a Scorpio in addition to a PS4 but I suspect early sales of both boxes will be driven more by trade ins of early PS4s/X1s than 2nd console buyers.
5. Non US markets - Xbox has little to no market/mind share outside the USA and (to a small extent) the UK. Sony could choose to not release a "Neo" and they'd still dominate the Scorpio in global sales.
1. Release date - The Neo should be released around a year before the Scorpio (I'm predicting Q416/Q117 for the Neo and Q417/Q118 for the Scorpio). A year is a long, long time to have the perceived "premium console" market with just one player.
2. Price - The Neo will be cheaper than the Scorpio. Its specs are basically a 14nm refresh of the PS4. The Scorpio will have to use some bleeding edge AMD designs to meet its performance targets anytime in the next 18 months. That won't be cheap. Neither MSFT or Sony will sell loss leading hardware ever again. All this points to the Scorpio being more expensive. I don't think the PS4/X1 sales gap has much (if anything) to do with power. The $100 price difference at launch was the real difference maker.
3. Graphical differences - at the leaked specs I just don't see there being enough of a power gap for Scorpio games to look noticeably better. Just like the PS4 does now, I'm sure it will win all the DF comparisons but I doubt the extra power will be noticeable to most people.
4. Digital Libraries - I actually think this is the most important reason why it won't matter. Digital games have made up an increasing percentage of total sales this generation. Neo/Scorpio aren't a new gen. They are designed to play PS4/X1 libraries. I don't see many people giving up their PS4 libraries to switch to an Xbox just because DF says games run better on it, particularly if it means paying up and waiting at least a year longer. Sure, they could buy a Scorpio in addition to a PS4 but I suspect early sales of both boxes will be driven more by trade ins of early PS4s/X1s than 2nd console buyers.
5. Non US markets - Xbox has little to no market/mind share outside the USA and (to a small extent) the UK. Sony could choose to not release a "Neo" and they'd still dominate the Scorpio in global sales.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but the difference between Scorpio and the Neo is proportionally the same as PS4 to Xbox One right?
If that's indeed the case I don't think it the difference will matter.
lol
The best bit is where the list war starts bubbling
The director of Ori and the Blind Forest (who you quoted) probably knows quite a bit about an educated game purchase
Mobius and pet octopus
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Lol what? Why the insults.
GameSeeker
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What will matter most is that Scorpio is a year late. Being a year late will cost Microsoft dearly in the sales race vs. Sony. No amount of extra power in Scorpio will ever make up for Sony's one year head start.