Mihael Mello Keehl
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I mean they selling pokemon butts in Japan. You not gonna make money selling a master cheif butt or sackboy booty.
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Does Nintendo own the most valuable IPs in gaming?
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glaringradio
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Yes, they do. Do they take advantage of this fact? No, they don't.
Thats across the life of the game right? Fifa sells 10 million plus yearly. Same with CoD.
I think the overall brand of Pokemon is certainly stronger my point is merely it isnt some runaway thing with Nintendo. Franchises like Fifa, CoD and GTA are monetarily huge.
This guy knows what's up. Nintendo still has a great puppet show going on, but the 3D cinema next door is doing way more traffic.
Plinko
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ForsakenLotus
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So, IP that are "huge" from 1st party devs:
Sony: Gran Turismo, Uncharted, God of War, The Last of Us (presumably).
Microsoft: Minecraft, Halo, Gears of War.
Nintendo: Mario, Mario Kart, Smash Bros., The Legend of Zelda, Pokémon (technically not Nintendo owned, but I think it's fair to lump it in with Nintendo).
Of those, Minecraft, Mario, and Pokémon are really on a different level than the rest. The rest of them sell around 5-10 million for each "mainline" entry, and some have some growth potential, but Minecraft, Mario and Pokémon are multimedia IP's that sell staggering amounts.
So based off of that, Nintendo has 2 of the 3 mega franchises. After that, when we look at IP's like Donkey Kong, Kirby, LittleBigPlanet, Killzone, Forza, etc. we get into games with inconsistent sales, games that don't move platforms, games that have limited appeal and so on. I can't really put a value on something like Donkey Kong, because there have been many really good to great games over the span of three decades and I presume have sold pretty well. I don't know how to compare that to something like LittleBigPlanet.
But out of the first party publishers, I would say Nintendo is ahead of Sony and Microsoft. However, I think you could easily make a case for ActiBlizz being number one. They own the rights to Call of Duty and World of Warcraft, which is the biggest one-two punch in gaming IP's. Oh yeah, and they own Skylanders, which is a juggernaut in that sector of the market. And they have a ton of licensing deals.
Sony: Gran Turismo, Uncharted, God of War, The Last of Us (presumably).
Microsoft: Minecraft, Halo, Gears of War.
Nintendo: Mario, Mario Kart, Smash Bros., The Legend of Zelda, Pokémon (technically not Nintendo owned, but I think it's fair to lump it in with Nintendo).
Of those, Minecraft, Mario, and Pokémon are really on a different level than the rest. The rest of them sell around 5-10 million for each "mainline" entry, and some have some growth potential, but Minecraft, Mario and Pokémon are multimedia IP's that sell staggering amounts.
So based off of that, Nintendo has 2 of the 3 mega franchises. After that, when we look at IP's like Donkey Kong, Kirby, LittleBigPlanet, Killzone, Forza, etc. we get into games with inconsistent sales, games that don't move platforms, games that have limited appeal and so on. I can't really put a value on something like Donkey Kong, because there have been many really good to great games over the span of three decades and I presume have sold pretty well. I don't know how to compare that to something like LittleBigPlanet.
But out of the first party publishers, I would say Nintendo is ahead of Sony and Microsoft. However, I think you could easily make a case for ActiBlizz being number one. They own the rights to Call of Duty and World of Warcraft, which is the biggest one-two punch in gaming IP's. Oh yeah, and they own Skylanders, which is a juggernaut in that sector of the market. And they have a ton of licensing deals.
Father_Brain
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They definitely could.
"Could" being the operative word, of course - it's no secret that the higher ranks of the Top 100 are tough to crack, and plenty of games based on well-known IP have foundered before.
Oh and since we are talking about Nintendo IPs and I've made this chart today:
All the details:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=963700
All the details:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=963700
They're lifetime sales, yes, but they usually cross 10 million within the first year. See Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire, for instance. It hasn't even been a year and they're well above 10 million (those numbers are as of June 30th).
The 3DS numbers for the newer Pokemon are from 8 months of sales. 10 million is pretty normal for Pokemon in a year.
Canis lupus
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Pretty much every casual gamer.
James Scott
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I actually dont like Pokemon but each game sells an insane amount at full price and it makes even more through merchandising/licensing (toys, anime, etc)
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
You clowning now lol
Mass_Pincup
Banned
Umm the OP???
kitchenmotors
Banned
What kind of comparison? Haha, you've got to be kidding me.
Nintendo's IPs have tons of VALUE. If they were on multiple platforms, you'd bet they would sell as much, if not more, as any of these other IPs people keep listing.
I work with kids and while Minecraft is popular, kids do still love Nintendo even if the Wii U hasn't done so hot.
Don't take her seriously.
You are uninformed alright. Nintendo's market cap is at $22.5 billion. Good luck trying to buy Nintendo at around $2.5b.
ArkhamFantasy
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Take the amount of Pokemon games sold on DS, then combined all the ME/MGS/FF/Halo sales from PS3/360. I bet Pokemon sold more, and keep in mind those games are expensive to make, Pokemon is cheap to make.
Chezzymann
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They market their stuff a lot, but mostly on kids networks
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And how's the Call of Duty movie line, globally broadcast TV series, collectible card game, toy line, plushie line, McDonald's cross promotions and so forth? Do they also make lots of money?
I feel like it's only a matter of time before COD falls off, like Warcraft is doing right now. Starcraft 2 is coming to a close soon, and it's been pretty disappointing and sorta overtaken by MOBA in the competitive space. Diablo? I think they've recovered well enough past the initial poor launch, but I don't think it's a big enough IP to have a sequel every 3-4 years. Same for Starcraft. When I look at Activision right now, if it weren't for Skylanders, they'd be in real trouble over the next 4-5 years.
Which is about where Fifa and CoD are in total sales across platforms. Pokemon wins because of its other revenue streams but from a gaming perspective they are right up there with Pokemon.
The last two 3DS entries, XY and ORAS, have sold very close to 25 million copies already. Nintendo first-party games still do very good numbers.
gundamkyoukai
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Did you skip over everything but that bolded line?
Also the counter to that is the HUGE revenue stream CoD gets from their DLC and other monetization. Its essentially like tacking on the revenue of a second top 5 selling game.
TwEE-N-Toast
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It has Mario Kart and 2D Mario. Can't really think of much else.
Edit: Forgot Pokemon.
Edit: Forgot Pokemon.
Nintendo definitely has the most well known and valuable ip. Nintendo ip transcends games and has enormous value in other merchandise. The same can't be said for gta, cod and other games that sell well as that's where their reach ends. There's only a handful of ip that have the broad appeal of a Nintendo ip such as minecraft but its unknown if they will stand the test of time like Mario and friends.
kitchenmotors
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Exactly, Nintendo is in a prime position for a huge expansion right now, and Iwata set the foundation for it.
sixteen-bit
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Mario Kart tho
Ol No Bones
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Lay off ok! I was making shit up.
COD has long term consistent success. As does Warcraft, for example. Nintendo is definetly up there with Mario and Pokeom, but it's not the only game company with huge multimedia IP's.
nintendo's brand is ranked number 78 of the 100 most powerful brands in the world.
http://www.rankingthebrands.com/The-Brand-Rankings.aspx?rankingID=85&year=932
with MS ranked 7 and Sony 27. but that is over all companies. no EA, Take Two Activision are even on the list.
In Japan Nintendo as a whole, as a brand is ranked number 8, Sony, the company is ranked number 4.
So as a pure video game company Nintendo is easily the most valuable brand.
http://www.rankingthebrands.com/The-Brand-Rankings.aspx?rankingID=33&year=910
again no SE, Capcom, Bandai are on the list. so as a pure videogame company, Nintendo is the only one which ranks.
so that should put it to rest.
http://www.rankingthebrands.com/The-Brand-Rankings.aspx?rankingID=85&year=932
with MS ranked 7 and Sony 27. but that is over all companies. no EA, Take Two Activision are even on the list.
In Japan Nintendo as a whole, as a brand is ranked number 8, Sony, the company is ranked number 4.
So as a pure video game company Nintendo is easily the most valuable brand.
http://www.rankingthebrands.com/The-Brand-Rankings.aspx?rankingID=33&year=910
again no SE, Capcom, Bandai are on the list. so as a pure videogame company, Nintendo is the only one which ranks.
so that should put it to rest.
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/sales/software/3ds.html
XY is at 14 million essentially and ORAs is at 10.
ArkhamFantasy
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Yup.
Majmun
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*bookmarked
kitchenmotors
Banned
Angry Birds has lost a lot of the IP value it once had. I think Rovio hopes the movie will keep the IP around for a little longer, but if the movie is terrible, I can't see it being marketable much longer. Kids don't care for Angry Birds anymore, they haven't for years. I rarely see march anymore either, compared to 3 or 4 years ago.
I hope you don't think that Angry Birds will be around for 30 years, because you're crazy. It's not even relevant NOW.
SteamyPunk
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I don't get the Madden and FIFA mentions. These franchises' value come almost entirely from the exclusive license they own. And that's probably not something that EA can sell to a third party. If EA sold these franchises to UBISOFT, I don't think something like Madden Hyper Football League or a non-FIFA-branded soccer game would have crazy value. There's also no income stream from these IPs outside of software.
I think Pokemon is the most value IP in the industry. But Nintendo doesn't own it completely so not sure it counts.
I think Pokemon is the most value IP in the industry. But Nintendo doesn't own it completely so not sure it counts.
You think Angry Birds will be around for 30 years? eek.
Minecraft sure. It's the one big IP I see that will be around for a while (unless MS fucks up somehow)
no, they dont'. I've shown you already the most valuable brands, again no publisher is even CLOSE to being on the valuable brand list.
kitchenmotors
Banned
Probably.
ArkhamFantasy
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I agree 100%. They have the strongest IPs and the best developers but they are held back by Nintendo's platforms.
OmegaDL50
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Putting it into a different perspective.
If the Mario series ended. The impact would be felt by EVERYONE who ingrained with gaming as a hobby for the past 25 years or more.
If a series like GTA or CoD were to end, I don't think the impact would be as significant as the effect of no more Mario games being made.
People want to associate sales as a scope of popularity, however in the sense of Iconic franchises that transcend just sales and are culturally recognized even outside the medium of video games. I don't think nothing as is more recognizable than Mario, Pac-Man, or possible Minecraft.
If the Mario series ended. The impact would be felt by EVERYONE who ingrained with gaming as a hobby for the past 25 years or more.
If a series like GTA or CoD were to end, I don't think the impact would be as significant as the effect of no more Mario games being made.
People want to associate sales as a scope of popularity, however in the sense of Iconic franchises that transcend just sales and are culturally recognized even outside the medium of video games. I don't think nothing as is more recognizable than Mario, Pac-Man, or possible Minecraft.