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Dont play on train tracks, for everyone's sake.

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That's all sorts of fucked up, my dad was an Engineer for the Penn Central / Conrail / Norfolk Southern railroads for most of his 40-something years (the rest was as a conductor) so I've heard all sorts of horror stories like this (and worse).

Edit: Sorry for the long post, everybody.

I've always wondered what driving a train is like. Is it just speeding up and slowing down?

Can you just hang out watching shit on a tablet?

OP is in the UK so I can't say what the regulations are over there, but in the US you have to constantly keep watch for crossings, signals, obstructions and shit like the OP's talking about. There's also a deadman switch you have to hit at regular intervals or the train goes into emergency. The railroad company my dad worked for also liked to "banner test", where they'd go out in the field, lay a banner across the track that read "obstruction" and if the train touched it everyone involved was sacked. So you couldn't really take your eyes off the tracks for long.

That said, there were lots of times where he'd get put into a siding or have to wait in line to get into the yard and he'd be sitting in the middle of nowhere for hours at a time. He wasn't technically supposed to have any electronic devices, but some guys always had little handheld TVs or casino games. My dad racked up a lot of hours of Harvest Moon on his Gameboy SP.

One thing that people don't realise is that it's not only the person being injured who is the victim.

My driver colleague who had a guy suicide on him is currently on indefinite sick leave until he gets cleared by a psychiatrist that he is fit for duty.

This stuff can instantly ruin a driver's career if they aren't mentally able to cope with it.

This, this, a thousand times this. If there's one thing to take away from this thread, it's that the guys on the train have to live with the aftermath of stupid shit like this. By the time you see something just ahead, it's generally too late to stop it from happening and those guys on the train, even if they do everything right and in their power to stop it, still have to watch it happen. Or they hit something suddenly and it's a mile or two before the train comes to a full stop, and they're always the first ones on the scene. My father actually changed assignments so he could avoid working the route where he'd killed two kids who'd tried to beat the train at a crossing.

The worst is when lawyers get involved and keep dredging this crap up for decades trying to get a settlement out of the railroad for their own stupidity (in this case, the family argued that the remote, rural crossing should have had crossing arms instead of just lights).

Driving trains sounds cool - I love trains.

I can't speak for all engineers on all rail lines, but it was rough for my dad and our family growing up. He was essentially on-call 24/7 and could be called up to leave at all hours of the day or night. Though he was legally required to be off 8 hours, they could call him after only 6 with a two hour window to get ready. Getting home in the middle of the night and having to leave early the next morning was bad enough, but if he got home in the middle of the day we still wouldn't really see him because he'd be sleeping, having been up for 10-12 hours. There was never any assurance he'd be home for major holidays (in general, they tried to get everyone home but it didn't always work out) and birthdays and such were a complete wash. Making any kind of plans was impossible unless he requested specific time off, so we couldn't just go to the movies or anything like that.

Because of his assignment, he would be on the road for 10-12 hours, then they'd put him up at a nasty ass hotel at the away terminal where he'd eat (usually Chinese takeout or fast food, it was not a health lifestyle) and sleep until he was called in again, then 10-12 hours back home. Sometimes he'd be sitting at the away terminal for days waiting for an eastbound train to get him home. Some of the locomotives didn't have A/C or heat either, and the facilities could be little more than a bucket on some of them.

That's not to say it was all bad, and he speaks well of the job and offered to get my brothers and I jobs there. The pay was good, the benefits were great and his retirement is incredible. The trains do go through some beautiful, isolated areas, even in the rust belt where he worked, and since he was a professional photographer earlier in life he has a lot of great pictures (and some really awesome ones of graffiti, I always told him he should try to get them published). But his health suffered (lots of sitting, lack of sleep, bad diet, damn near everyone was a heavy smoker) and he wasn't home a lot and that lead to all sorts of family issues I won't get into (though I will note that he got away from those issues because of the job too).

Saw a guy jump in front of a train once right in front of me at the start of the platform. Literally tore him to pieces. Those things are no joke. Shitty way to kill yourself too, you can really mess people up doing that.

Spoilers are for gore; my father once told me about a co-worker (who later committed suicide because of this incident) who had hit someone trying to kill themselves. The guy basically
stood in the middle of the track, got down into a 'linebacker' stance with his head and back aligned and waited for the train to hit him. The force of the impact drove his head and spine out of his body.

Also, in case it comes up; people who lay down on the tracks do NOT die quickly, they
get caught by the front (it's called a cow-catcher) and dragged along for miles and sometimes are still alive at the end. The clearance on those things isn't nearly as high as people think it is.
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Thanks for this post.

It seems like there are a few differences between UK and US rail in terms of how it's run, but nothing too dissimilar.

There's a lot more people involved in the railway than I think people realise, and one incident can easily cause a whole mess of problems for a lot of different people.
 
It seems like there are a few differences between UK and US rail in terms of how it's run, but nothing too dissimilar.

There's a lot more people involved in the railway than I think people realise, and one incident can easily cause a whole mess of problems for a lot of different people.

A lot of the differences may also have to do with the fact that my dad was on the job from the 70's up until just a few years ago and it sounds like you're relatively young. There are obviously more regulations and such than when he was active, and I'm sure the increased sensitivity to security has made the job more... interesting. Hell, they still used cabooses back then.

I didn't want to hijack your thread with a mega post, but this is something that was hammered into my head a lot when I was a kid and it made an impression, especially when so many people don't understand how dangerous trains are or that there are people up there in the cab watching them race around the gates and such.
 
Thanks for the informative posts guys. I guess I had never really thought much about trains and the people who make them work.
 
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A 17 year old girl recently died in my area as she and friends were walking along train tracks. She was a model student too apparently, which just goes to show that kids of all types can forget or ignore how dangerous it is.
Skagit Valley area? Because that exact thing just happened here too. :(
 
A medical examiner once visited a class I was taking in college. He showed us pictures of the bodies of people hit by trains. Basically just bags of goo, they had to xray some of them to figure out where the head was so they could get the teeth for identification.
 
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People who fuck around on train tracks are insane AND insanely stupid.[/QUOTE]

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Is what the kids deserve. If not their parents should give em a good slap on the head.[/QUOTE]

The best thing about that situation is that the conductor was saving him from a potentialy very serious head injury:

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Notice the metal protrusion behind the conductors leg.
 
Not train related, but my uncle got in a serious car accident some years ago when some kids were throwing rocks from a bridge on cars passing by on the highway underneath that bridge. One of those rocks smashed right through his front window (passenger side, and luckily nobody was sitting there), he flew off the road and ended upside down. He survived, and only had some bruises and cuts from the glass, but he was extremely lucky. Could have easily ended up dead. He didn't see it coming at all (and, you know, why would you).

It was a pretty big news story here at the time. They caught those kids, I think they were about 15/16, but it was about 10 years or so ago so I don't remember exactly. Freaked me the fuck out because I just got my driver license at the time. I still don't believe it was stupidity - I was 15 once, and I did a lot of stupid shit, but this is on an entirely different level. They were just psychopaths.

No idea what kind of punishment they got, news about that rarely gets released to the public when the people involved are that young over here. But maybe I've just forgotten, I should ask my uncle next time I see him.
 
Shitty stuff OP. I've only been on the job as Conductor for a bit over two years now but I've already had a handful of near-misses by people running crossings as we approach and one incident where a fellow tried to commit suicide but as we were in city limits we were slow enough that Emergency stopped us (like 30 ft away from bisecting him).

In that time here have been two fatalities around my home terminal as well, one kid and a lady on crutches who thought she could get across in time. Definitely not liking the odds of seeing some bad shit in my career. Dragging bigass moose carcasses off the track after dragging them a couple miles is bad enough.


OP is in the UK so I can't say what the regulations are over there, but in the US you have to constantly keep watch for crossings, signals, obstructions and shit like the OP's talking about. There's also a deadman switch you have to hit at regular intervals or the train goes into emergency. The railroad company my dad worked for also liked to "banner test", where they'd go out in the field, lay a banner across the track that read "obstruction" and if the train touched it everyone involved was sacked. So you couldn't really take your eyes off the tracks for long.

Can't talk for your dad's company as the rules might be different, but up here if you're on main line and you have a permissive signal/ocs clearance you don't have to worry about stuff like that affecting your job.
If you're on a Restricting/Stop and Proceed signal then yeah you have to be prepared to stop within half the range of vision which means slow going if you're 2.5 miles long and/or 20,000 tonnes.
However if you're not on main track (in a yard or whatnot) then that rule applies everywhere.
Our company does a lot of rules compliance checking as well, throwing down foreman's flags or turning hotbox detectors off to make sure crews do what they're supposed to.


That said, there were lots of times where he'd get put into a siding or have to wait in line to get into the yard and he'd be sitting in the middle of nowhere for hours at a time. He wasn't technically supposed to have any electronic devices, but some guys always had little handheld TVs or casino games. My dad racked up a lot of hours of Harvest Moon on his Gameboy SP.

Yeah there's a system on our trains that detects anything transmitting wifi/cellular signals and can tattle on us. I've definitely seen some stuff though. They also don't want you 'assuming the sleeping position' but when you make guys be on call 24/7, call them at 2am for 10-12 hr shift, give them a few hours sleep away from home and call for a return trip, what do you expect? I don't see the harm myself (when the train's not moving that is, sitting in a siding for an hour+ isn't fun).

... and that lead to all sorts of family issues I won't get into (though I will note that he got away from those issues because of the job too).

The rest of what you said is all accurate, but this especially so. The divorce rate among railroaders is MASSIVE. I've told my SO that before this kinda thing becomes a big problem between us I'd just quit my job and we'd make the bills work another way. The pay is amazing (especially for no post-secondary) but money isn't anything and I love coming home to my 3-year old baby girl and her mom =]
That said, missing well over half of my daughter's life already has fucking SUCKED but she's the reason I took this job, to give her a better future that just getting by.

I've always wondered what driving a train is like. Is it just speeding up and slowing down?
In a nutshell, yeah. However for freight trains you need to take a ton of variables into consideration. Will list the few of them I've picked up as Conductor (not actually driving trains until Engineer training later this year.)

1. Train composition. This includes your trains' length, tonnage, WHERE that tonnage is located (heavy loads at the tail end with empties in front is a cunt and makes it easier to rip the train apart due to in-train forces, even more so with cushioned drawbars like those on auto-carriers or lumber cars) as well as available horsepower and tonnage per operative brake. For the last one, if you have a short but heavy-ass train like for coal, potash/etc then you'll need to remember to start taking air earlier than you normally would because it won't be nearly as effective.

2. Power. This is referring to the locomotives used. There are some real pieces of garbage out there that can make the job more tricky.
As a short aside, when changing speeds our railroad wants you to use throttle manipulation first if possible, then dynamic braking if that isn't sufficient and lastly the air brakes.
Now some units don't have functioning dynamic brakes, so you have to go straight to the air. Unfortunately some units are slow as fuck at recharging that air system (this problem is compounded majorly in winter temperatures as well) and you have to know your track layout enough to be sure that you will have enough air at the next hill to be able to stop. Or you might just be on one bigass hill and if you aren't sure then your poor conductor is going to be tying down handbrakes so you can release the air brakes and recharge (you can't recharge them while they're set up)

3. Track layout. Touched on this in the last point, but knowing your subdivision is pretty key. If you have one of the longer trains (10,000ft+) you could have the head-end portion going up one hill, the part behind it going down a hill, the part behind THAT going up a hill, you get the idea. Trains can come apart pretty easy, especially if the knuckles holding them together are starting to rust. So if you put the power on too early you could put a lot of stress on the joints that are cresting those hills. So you are keeping in mind where your train is behind you before making a move.

That said, short trains can be a bitch too. In the last scenario with the ups and downs they kind of balance each other out. If you're short and heavy on a hill, your whole thing is going down so you have to be ready ahead of time to be slowing down (it's bad train handling to just power down quickly and start going into the brakes, much higher risk of jack-knifing with all the buff forces and slack coming in at once).

Obviously this varies with the track you run on, there's a lot of 0.4%-3.0% grade around my terminal so that's on the steeper side of things relatively.

4. Train handling in general. Basically the rule of thumb is to plan ahead and go slow. If you're pulling from a stop you are keeping it maybe 2mph until the slack all runs out and your tail end car starts moving before you start ratcheting up the power.

After you use the air brakes you are in idle until that tail-end car's brakes have started releasing (there's an end of train device that communicates with the locomotive so when your brake-pipe pressure has risen a few lbs you know they are releasing). If you start pulling on the power while half of the train still has a brake set-up, again good chance of ripping it apart.

Those are just the small things I've gleaned so far, plenty I don't know yet =]
 
I'm just about to buy a house that has a train track about 250 meters south of us and even that is making me shit myself a little. Kids will be kids and all it takes is a stupid fucking dare to get though the fence and cross it. I even stupidly done that as a kid, as well as leaving coins on the track to see them bent.

Man, becoming a parent really fucks with you.
 
Kids sound like assholes.

Also who needs a PSA to not play near train tracks. What is wrong with this world...it's a damn train

I've always wondered what driving a train is like. Is it just speeding up and slowing down?

Can you just hang out watching shit on a tablet?

lol is this for real? Did you not even read the OP
 
Trains seems like one of the easier things to automate, I wonder why this hasn't happened. Also I'm surprised these do not have a $200 camera on the front when transporting several hundred thousand dollars worth of freight.

I guess this all boils down to there is just not a lot of interest in trains. I live in an area with lots of trains. Feels very old fashioned to be around them but I certainly wouldn't fuck around near one. The tracks make me paranoid.
 
When I worked at a restaurant, the girl who delivered us coffee didn't show up and we found out tried to jump on a moving train when she and her boyfriend were drunk downtown and it took out her legs. I also went to school with someone who just died from a train at Coachella. People... Don't fuck with trains
EDIT: I suck at reading.
 
The OP just posted this.

Ah, thanks

A good family friend recently quit train conducting after his 10th death, he ran over a 10th person and just didn't show up to work the next day. He had enough of people being dumb and thinking a train can stop like in the movies and dying because of it.

A week before he took me and others to safety training about trains at the rail yard and walked out a small training room while we watched videos of people getting hit by trains.

So yes, stop playing on the tracks. A train cannot stop like a car can and all the conductor can do is blow his/her horn, apply the brakes, watch, and hope the people on the tracks move out the way. I can only imagine what goes through the conductor's head.

10 people? Damn, I don't blame him for wanting to get out of that line of work. Even in movies, trains are notoriously hard to stop. I can only think of a few films where a train successfully braked without killing someone/derailing outside of an official stop, and one of those was a flying time machine.
 
A good family friend recently quit train conducting after his 10th death, he ran over a 10th person and just didn't show up to work the next day. He had enough of people being dumb and thinking a train can stop like in the movies and dying because of it.

A week before he took me and others to safety training about trains at the rail yard and walked out a small training room while we watched videos of people getting hit by trains.

So yes, stop playing on the tracks. A train cannot stop like a car can and all the conductor can do is blow his/her horn, apply the brakes, watch, and hope the people on the tracks move out the way. I can only imagine what goes through the conductor's head.

Holy crap. That's one profession I wouldn't even encourage people to try out now.
 
I got stuck TWICE this week because the train hit somebody. First one must've been suicide since this happens a lot on that specific line (mental hospital next to the train tracks, how fucking clever), happens on that line almost whenever I take it.
The other one was yesterday, the train I was on must've hit somebody too. Lot's of police and railway workers. The train had to return back to the station.
 
Trains seems like one of the easier things to automate, I wonder why this hasn't happened.

It is. One of the reasons my dad retired is because all of the yard jobs were being replaced with remote operators and he didn't want to work the road jobs anymore.

Instead of an engineer on the locomotive, it's a kid in a dark room watching it all on camera. I dunno if they've expanded outside the yard yet, it was still being treated as kind of a trial thing when he retired,though the higher-ups loved the idea, apparently.
 
Trains seems like one of the easier things to automate, I wonder why this hasn't happened. Also I'm surprised these do not have a $200 camera on the front when transporting several hundred thousand dollars worth of freight.

Almost all of my company's locomotives have front-facing cameras for investigations, ymmv I guess.
 
3. Track layout. Touched on this in the last point, but knowing your subdivision is pretty key. If you have one of the longer trains (10,000ft+) you could have the head-end portion going up one hill, the part behind it going down a hill, the part behind THAT going up a hill, you get the idea. Trains can come apart pretty easy, especially if the knuckles holding them together are starting to rust. So if you put the power on too early you could put a lot of stress on the joints that are cresting those hills. So you are keeping in mind where your train is behind you before making a move.

see, stuff like that is something i hadn't thought about, awesome post, thanks for that!
 
I'm just about to buy a house that has a train track about 250 meters south of us and even that is making me shit myself a little. Kids will be kids and all it takes is a stupid fucking dare to get though the fence and cross it. I even stupidly done that as a kid, as well as leaving coins on the track to see them bent.

Man, becoming a parent really fucks with you.

After a while your worry will be more about noise levels. While an approaching train may be hard to hear it's VERY loud when it's passing. I used to live a mile away from a rail track in a city and could still clearly hear the damn things.
 
I kinda feel sorry for you having to drive a freight train, they are the bane of my life. I work as a developer on a very high fidelity commercial rail simulator, and recently I was responisble for writing the AI for the drivers within the simulation. Getting something that worked for passenger trains was not a problem, but freight trains with their break build ups and abnormal weights were an absolute pain in the arse, and something I haven't managed to quite perfect .

But as for incidents like this, i just think some people are so damn inconsiderate. Asside from the emotional trauma involved i dont think people realise how disruptive something like this can be, delaying the directly affected train can have such a massive knock on effect that puts many many other people at such a great inconvenience.
 
LONG ASS POST OF INTERESTING TRAIN DRIVER STUFF

Fascinating stuff :)
OP's a UK train driver, and we don't have anything like the crazy long freight trains you have in the USA. I was in the Cascade mountains on a family holiday once and we stopped at a roadside diner for a quick lunch. A train started going by as we made our order and it was still going when we paid the cheque :D

Cant stand fucking kids

"tasteless punchline goes here"
 
Trains shouldn't be fucked with anyway these things are scary.

I see people crossing tracks in dangerous places and I just don't get it, is it worth it just so you don't miss the train? It is one of the few things that really gets my blood boiling.

I love trains but I know they are death machines.
 
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