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Doom-18.546GB patch, did they put anything on the disc?
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CharlesDangus
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I just realized all this shit means MSFT's original DRM plans are still basically in place (for both consoles). If there are any games that are literally unplayable without a day one patch, all those game discs become coasters the second the servers shut down. Imagine shopping for old Xbone games but having to make sure you can find an old system that has the right patches installed.
Robot Pants
Member
This is a PC only patch right?
But that's generally not the case outside of games that have huge performance problems, and those are generally rare.
Infact, games like Just cause 3 are worse with the patches, so your kinda saved without them. DOOM is fully playable without the patches and the patches are apparently only for additional content.
Part of it is that developers for the most part are just shipping DLC as part of title updates. This is actually a good thing, since it
1) Let's them do the thing they are doing with Doom where if the host in the party owns the DLC, everyone can play it (can't do that if the other people don't have the DLC)
2) Even when DLC is free, people don't download it, leading to a catch 22 where it can't be in anything because people won't go grab it.
3) allows engine upgrades and updates to come with that DLC, you're not stuck plugging it into the base shipping disc anymore.
1) Let's them do the thing they are doing with Doom where if the host in the party owns the DLC, everyone can play it (can't do that if the other people don't have the DLC)
2) Even when DLC is free, people don't download it, leading to a catch 22 where it can't be in anything because people won't go grab it.
3) allows engine upgrades and updates to come with that DLC, you're not stuck plugging it into the base shipping disc anymore.
eyeball_kid
Member
Not just the country, I live in a big metro area and my DSL line is 320kb/s. That pretty much excludes me from digital titles other than small indie games. A 20GB game takes me almost a full day with a saturated connection to download. The Federal govt needs to do a lot more to fund fiber-based infrastructure across the U.S. as well as encouraging competition.
show me your skeleton
Member
based on filesize alone, i am sure they're using some form of megatexture system. doom's a short-ish FPS with an average amount of sound files, no/tiny amount of pre-rendered video... kinda leaves only megatextures to explain the 50gb base game size.
Gamezone
Gold Member
That was the entire multiplayer.
Gamezone
Gold Member
They can't. The launch consoles doesn't support UHD. The Slim does, but unfortunately everything has to work on the launch consoles, so that won't happen.
User 479360
Banned
Oh joy. Another massive patch.
NightShift
Member
This is going to make the game difficult for me to play in the future. Expecially with the horrendous frame tearing when unpatched on PS4.
Gravy Boat
Member
That's really not the job for a studio that develops games.
Bornstellar
Member
Halo currently takes up almost 1/3 of the space on my Xbox. :|
Gamezone
Gold Member
It's funny. When Microsoft removed the DRM, they told us that after the first Xbox One firmware update, we never would have to check in online again.
Likewise Sony told us on the E3 stage that disc based games won't require you to check in online to play, or have any type of authentication.
Yes, a text-file with which contains "You now own Doom"
Saint of Killers
Member
Did they put anything on the disc? Yes, one of the best games of the year/gen/ever.
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Grinchy
Banned
It has nothing to do with the size of the disc. It has to do with the speed of the disc drive.
Modern games can't be streamed directly off of the discs because of this. It's why you notice that every game gets installed to the hard drive.
Jack The Nipper
Banned
Are there any games that won't work without a download. Taking about single player onky of course
I could understand a patch to replace poor textures cause of size issues..
But is it even allowed to sell a game on disc and can't play it offline?
Shouldn't be if so
Are discs getting a a one increase soon?
1tb hdds really should be standard. It's way behind when two games take up more than 2/5 of your space
I could understand a patch to replace poor textures cause of size issues..
But is it even allowed to sell a game on disc and can't play it offline?
Shouldn't be if so
Are discs getting a a one increase soon?
1tb hdds really should be standard. It's way behind when two games take up more than 2/5 of your space
Gamezone
Gold Member
No, everything works fine without these downloads. I`m working on a ship, and I`ve done my research. If the game is too big, you pretty much only have to download the online portion of the game. I just hope they can keep this up until UHD games becomes a valid option.
CharlesDangus
Member
UHD Blu Ray players are out now, and the discs support 33GB layers for 66GB dual layer and 99GB triple layer discs. Batman v Superman was the first commercial triple layer UHD movie release AFAIK. The disc tech is basically just Blu Ray BDXL which already existed. The Slimbone will support UHD Blu Ray movie discs, but I really doubt they'll split the userbase with physical BDXL game releases that can't be installed on the original xbone.
[edit] Idk where you're getting 500GB from. That's capacity is not possible or planned for any near term mass market optical media. And would that even be desirable? Don't you have to install the game no matter what? That would give you 2-4 games installed depending on your HDD
Gamezone
Gold Member
I know. That`s why multiple disc support has to become a thing.
Jack The Nipper
Banned
Even that isn't enough.
I would assume complete editions would be on two discs
Not that this is surprising. Resolution has come along and killed the space they use to save on last gen.
4k video on games will just push this way harder. Time for that 200gb disc and options as what to install. Devs may need to include options to install some cut scenes
But we for sure need options to always install
Single
Multi
And extra contents all individually, we can play what we want and delete what we are done with easily. It needs to be standard and implemented into the os. Devs create a menu or art in how they want it to be shown. Do it ms. We need it
Gamezone
Gold Member
Yeah, they didn`t even bother adding Quantum Break`s cutscenes on the disc.
Triggerhappytel
Member
I have a pretty good Internet connection, but yeah these massive patches are pretty bothersome this gen. I recall Witcher 3 having an 8GB update when I first played it a couple of months ago, and Destiny had about 40+GB last time I played it too. This fucking gen, man. 500GB is nowhere near enough.
CharlesDangus
Member
Yeah hopefully it makes a comeback. I also just find it annoying how there's probably almost zero games this gem where the disc version is the final version of the game. For stuff like Mega Man Legacy Collection, whose devs honorably care about game preservation, that game had a few patches AFAIK. They were pitching what they were doing as like the Criterion Collection for games. I know I'd be pissed if I bought a criterion disc and they goofed something up but fixed it with a patch only available from there servers downloaded to my Blu Ray player. I know games are way more complex, but I think the fact that devs had to live with what was printed on the disc during final mastering made people more careful.
CharlesDangus
Member
I kind of accept that this gen has the tech to allow for more fluid game releases and updates, with devs responding to player feedback and whatnot. A lot of the new interesting stuff this gen has been enabled by this flexibility, but I like the fact that if I spend the money to gather the right set of physical objects,i.e. games, console controllers etc I can have a complete experience of a game/console from decades ago with no permission or authentication from the companies involved. I appreciate this a lot about the general durability in my experience of Nintendo hardware. It seems like this gen is when that whole idea officially dies. Hopefully NX uses carts and bucks this trend (they usually are pretty good about this).
ChillWinston
Member
Was house sitting for someone last week, decided I would play Halo 5 on their Xbox One. It wouldn't let me start the game without updating and the the update it wanted to download was 40+gb. Tried signing out of Xbox Live but it still wouldn't let me start the game. The d/l speed of the update was so slow I gave up, literally couldn't play the game. Bull shit.
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
I'll never, ever touch the multiplayer again so I wish I could just skip these kinds of updates.
cantona222
Member
Think of it as nowadays discs main goal is: a way to give you a license to download the game. Regardless if you download/install it from the disc or through the internet.
I think you missed his point. The speed of the disc drive obviously doesn't matter once it's installed. He wants bigger discs so that they don't have to put out massive patches like this for the stuff that didn't fit on the disc.
Wish this option existed more often (Call of Duty does separate entries in the steam library for example).
Getting huge ass Halo updates while only playing singleplayer is super fucking dumb. If I deinstall it and want to replay it at some point I will have to redownload like 100GB of stuff.
That is an actual issue with limited console HDD space.
AC Syndicate comes on 5 DVDs, but considering how fast internet speeds are now, there isn't much of a benefit when installing.
Yes. PC retail is still DVD. And that's about 7GB per disc of bandwidth cap saved for people stuck with caps.
Gamezone
Gold Member
Why should it be handled differently?
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
This update does add snapmap changes, especially in terms of usable tiles. So it is not only multiplayer changes.
CertifiedFP
Member
...Literally the same way as it's been done last and this gen?
System installs patches to internal storage, and then those patches are loaded on top of the inserted media.
i dont want big size patches in my handheld console memory,
and also game sharing is much more easy with patched cartridge,
cause mobile gaming is means most off the time "offline"
omnislayer
Member
Well they already do patches to the systems internal storage with the 3DS so it'll probably stay that way for the NX. Bigger more complex games usually mean larger patches. Even with carts.
PdotMichael
Banned
And it looks like that.
CharlesDangus
Member
I don't think Nintendo wants little Timmy NX owner to be able to brick his game carts by pulling the cart out mid patch.
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Lupin the Third
Member
These are the sorts of medium-term concessions one has to make when one wants maximum graphical output. Just like how we all had to concede to extended load times when we wanted the cost savings and data capacity afforded by the switch to disc media. (Which, even with HDDs and even SSDs, still haven't really gone away due to hardware bandwidth limitations...)
Masterspeed
Member
Well, you've gotta give them credit for putting 2 remasters on one disc and 2 360 games upressed.
The Horror the horror
Banned
It's only going to get worse, and with data cap limits hitting some cities...man, enjoy these golden years, boys, because it's about to go sideways.