*high five*
procarbine is just jealous cuz hes not the team captain of the EG Gunnarbokrz.
and cuz he still can't top #1 ss world
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Dota 2 Beta Thread 2: Real Talk Discouraged [Magnus, Teams, 6.75b, 150+ Shop Items]
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*high five*
procarbine is just jealous cuz hes not the team captain of the EG Gunnarbokrz.
holy shit. plis no.
Cosmetic items have already been found in the item schema. Save your money for Dota keys.
perryfarrell
Member
Yep, was just in a game with a Doombringer who also found an unknown item. I wonder what Valve has up its sleeve...
Procarbine
Forever Platinum
uh?
These Keys:
And the hats isn't speculation, it really is happening:
http://optf2.com/d2/items
I like how the defalut icons are starting to fill in.
nope, I refuse to believe.
These Keys:
And the hats isn't speculation, it really is happening:
http://optf2.com/d2/items
I like how the defalut icons are starting to fill in.
Swag.
Valve sure is making a lot of cosmetics for giggles.
It's for the monies. They know people will buy em' too. Smart move on their part.
Dreams-Visions
Member
These Keys:
And the hats isn't speculation, it really is happening:
http://optf2.com/d2/items
I like how the defalut icons are starting to fill in.
so ready.
Gully State
Member
Who here is planning on spending money in dota? I know I will just out of principle for putting 200 hours in this game...
Do we talk about their idea of rewarding the popular/"good behaving" (Or their suggested idea of incentivizing such behaviour.) type of people" you want to play" with here?
It's a good theory, but it doesn't work in reality.
Many people are very petty, and would turn a game with such a concept into something very bad.
For example, if you downgrade "A" for being an absolute jerk, but he has a lot of friends, he might convince his friends to downgrade you. There might be measures against this, like in order to grade someone you have to play with them/have evidence, but "A" might convince his friends to hunt you down in a game, and antagonize you, or simply report things out of context. If there's no chat system, the grading system would work on behaviour, but this could also be reported out of context by a group of people in order to convince an admin to raise your costs.
And I doubt that they would hire 20+ million admins to personally investigate/be a part of every game, chat log and circumstance of a report in detail -- but still, even that won't guarantee a fair community in a game with a concept like that. People with slightly/very different opinions, perspectives and so on would eventually be frozen out, forced to either submit to whatever is the norm at the time or pay a lot more money.
Many people have radically different opinions and ideas, but they tend to get frozen out of the popular community in one way or another, and the reward/punishment program would exaggerate this type of behaviour among humans to the extreme. Valve must know this, so I do not understand how they could even entertain the idea of implementing their idea. They must know that people don't behave like that -- they never have, and never will (Most likely.) across such a vide variety of people.
I do welcome any insight into how it might work, but to me, it just seems illogical and highly destructive. As I said, it forces people to either submit to the 'accepted behaviour model' (Whatever that might be -- it would be defined by the majority of people, which is wrong.).
Whatever happened to individualism?
However, I'm not entirely against it. It's a good experiment, but their current idea, or atleast how they pitched it, doesn't sound good, for reasons I explained. It sounds a bit like extreme communism with money as a reward (Saving money.). And incentivizing behaviour across a wide variety of people with money is NOT a good idea, certainly not on such a large scale.
The current pay-to-play model is indeed broken though, cause you have to pay for content or to eventually progress (Some games let you play to a certain level then, more or less, force you to pay to progress any higher.)
It's a good theory, but it doesn't work in reality.
Many people are very petty, and would turn a game with such a concept into something very bad.
For example, if you downgrade "A" for being an absolute jerk, but he has a lot of friends, he might convince his friends to downgrade you. There might be measures against this, like in order to grade someone you have to play with them/have evidence, but "A" might convince his friends to hunt you down in a game, and antagonize you, or simply report things out of context. If there's no chat system, the grading system would work on behaviour, but this could also be reported out of context by a group of people in order to convince an admin to raise your costs.
And I doubt that they would hire 20+ million admins to personally investigate/be a part of every game, chat log and circumstance of a report in detail -- but still, even that won't guarantee a fair community in a game with a concept like that. People with slightly/very different opinions, perspectives and so on would eventually be frozen out, forced to either submit to whatever is the norm at the time or pay a lot more money.
Many people have radically different opinions and ideas, but they tend to get frozen out of the popular community in one way or another, and the reward/punishment program would exaggerate this type of behaviour among humans to the extreme. Valve must know this, so I do not understand how they could even entertain the idea of implementing their idea. They must know that people don't behave like that -- they never have, and never will (Most likely.) across such a vide variety of people.
I do welcome any insight into how it might work, but to me, it just seems illogical and highly destructive. As I said, it forces people to either submit to the 'accepted behaviour model' (Whatever that might be -- it would be defined by the majority of people, which is wrong.).
Whatever happened to individualism?
However, I'm not entirely against it. It's a good experiment, but their current idea, or atleast how they pitched it, doesn't sound good, for reasons I explained. It sounds a bit like extreme communism with money as a reward (Saving money.). And incentivizing behaviour across a wide variety of people with money is NOT a good idea, certainly not on such a large scale.
The current pay-to-play model is indeed broken though, cause you have to pay for content or to eventually progress (Some games let you play to a certain level then, more or less, force you to pay to progress any higher.)
But on such a general scale, it wouldn't work, I think atleast. People might report the people they disagreed with on a random subject, people who were better than them at the game, or people they know in real life and disagree with/dislike, or perhaps someone they know on the internet/recognize from the internet and disagree with, etc. Peoples motivations are not as pure as the Valve model requires in order to be fair.
There are similar models in gaming already, like rating someone, and such, but it's not really a big deal. However, once that model gets a monetary reward program, it will become far more complex to control -- people will set up websites to 'offer good ratings', people will scheme, and plot. People will try to think of ways to manipulate it.
Schweinehund
Member
Love seeing the strange attributes on weapons. The way I play though is I random a lot of matches, so one character wouldn't have a ton of kills accumulated.
Know what would be awesome? If TF2 keys worked in Dota 2 and vice versa.
I'd rather buy hats than heroes.
I'd rather buy hats than heroes.
RukusProvider
Banned
I plan to buy nothing in game. I refuse to play F2P moba games where I'm micro transactioned to death. I'll happily quit Dota if that is the case.
Good thing you're not forced to buy anything eh?
It would also potentially bolster the Mannconomy which has taken a bit of a hit in the past year. Although if keys are interchangeable, it might as well be called the Valveconomy.
I wonder what Valve will do to keep cosmetic prices high and prevent another TF2 situation where people idling dozens of accounts devalued everything. I assume cosmetics will only drop at the end of matchmaking games and at a greatly reduced rate for bot games (to prevent easy farming, but reward new players to some degree).
RukusProvider
Banned
We will see how valve approaches it but in the other 2 games, you somewhat are if you want to stay competitive.
I have more faith in valve thus I'm putting the time into the beta now.
Tobi asked Erik Johnson if Dota 2 microtransactions will affect gameplay and he said 'no'.
The most intrusive microtransactions will be strange parts that track stats such as times casting a certain spell or number of wards placed. That could create greedy and stupid play for the sake of a +1 on the epeen scale.
The most intrusive microtransactions will be strange parts that track stats such as times casting a certain spell or number of wards placed. That could create greedy and stupid play for the sake of a +1 on the epeen scale.
They should make it so you only get anything if you finish a matchmaking game. So if you afk and/or get an abandon, or if you leave before the end; you get nothing.
Make it so you cant duke the system. No pussy footing around. Matchmaking will be 95% of the games played so you might as well use that.
Make it so you cant duke the system. No pussy footing around. Matchmaking will be 95% of the games played so you might as well use that.
Heavy's Sandvich
Member
I won't spend a penny unless it's for a boomer costume for pudge and a tank costume for tiny.
Another flood of promotional items tied in with 3rd party game surely are to be expected.
Another flood of promotional items tied in with 3rd party game surely are to be expected.
A hunter costume for life stealer?
Heavy's Sandvich
Member
Didn't even think of naix. A witch costume for death prophet.
I won't actually spend a penny of on this. Didn't spend a penny on LoL.
I won't actually spend a penny of on this. Didn't spend a penny on LoL.
Interfectum
Gold Member
ill pay for a top hat for my sniper.
zombieshavebrains
I have not used cocaine
Santa suit for Pudge/Brewmaster.
dave is ok
aztek is ok
A GlaDos announcer pack is basically guaranteed.
I won a bet with a friend who thought Dota 2 wouldn't be F2P. He has to buy me the Glados pack.
That'd be epic! lolol
perryfarrell
Member
20 min no rush kk ^_^
I won a bet with a friend who thought Dota 2 wouldn't be F2P. He has to buy me the Glados pack.
archie scamming people with downs... figures.
Gully State
Member
Never forget
Looks like Venom mixed with whale.
Earthstrike
Member
I got an item, but no clue what it is or how to see my stuff. I think they are just testing hat distribution atm.
throwawayname
Member
close to the edge
Member
Really? That would be pretty big news, aren't they a fairly large organisation?
SteveWinwood
Member
I won a bet with a friend who thought Dota 2 wouldn't be F2P. He has to buy me the Glados pack.
I wish I had dumb friends
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