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Dota 2 Beta Thread 4: Even Mike Ross Plays [Elder Titan]
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Dreams-Visions
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fuck everything. 
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BRING ON SKYWRATH.
((((((BRING ON SKYWRATH.
Lactose_Intolerant
Member
lol, I seriously thought they lost when he didn't have a tp. The chat went crazy, lol.
TheThunder
Member
Apparently there was a 3 man rp at the end, guess they missed that on stream.
Ye, that was a huge mistake, but I wonder if they could have actually defended at that point. If he had a tp he might have gotten the t3 tower at least.
Dreams-Visions
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hPFyqqSXeo
Pug is the anti-skywrath pick for anyone wondering.
Pug is the anti-skywrath pick for anyone wondering.
Remember: Netherward deals 1.75x mana used as damage. Skywrath's ult costs 800 mana @ level 16+. He'll never have more than 1.8k hp with any build he has, so he'll melt. We're talking 50%-70% of his hp gone just from nether ward. Just a tip for those looking to ruin skywrath player's nights.
shira
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You putting all your hopes and dreams that a ward will save you when so many things can go wrong
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Dreams-Visions
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I mean, that's just a bonus. The bottom line here is that a Pugna in any team fight pretty much guarantees that Skywrath can't ult. Just his presence alone is enough to discourage pressing R. Even if the ward hasn't been dropped, can Skywrath take that chance? Nope.avi.
Thank you.
Has no interrupt for Decrep into Lifedrain either, and the ward itself can be Decrepped for precious seconds. Mage has a dirt cheap nuke to ward-check with, however, so you shouldn't be eating a haymaker most of the time.
shira
Member
Seems like a very set-piece battle or a fast fingers race to ward/ult.
Kill Pugna.
Kill ward- 300hp 0 armor
BKB.
Doesn't he just have to see if he is getting the mana degen aura to know if he can cast his spells?
Dreams-Visions
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It's a long game indeed if a skywrath can afford to buy a bkb. It means he'll have little mana to contribute to team fights.
Also, you have to find the ward in order to kill it. Rare will that be the case if dropped as a fight starts.
Sure. Presuming his mana isn't full. Thing is, one might not be able to run through all those checks as the team is being initiated on by the enemy tide/warlock/whoever. As soon as he hits his Q/W/E and gets zapped he's gonna say to himself, "welp, can't ult." And he'd be correct.
Just had one of those games where the other team had 2 disconnects, I was OP Magnus, and I SHOULD have absolutely stomped... but I just couldn't do it. I wasn't on form. We won, sure, but it didn't feel right. My blinks and RPs were off, and overall I just sucked. Felt bad to win in that way. Ever get those games?
Green Biker Dude
Banned
nyx seems like a more reliable counter to skywrath mage. besides that, i dunno. maybe lifestealer or viper
Dreams-Visions
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"Reliable counter". Anyone that can right-click is a reliable counter. He's soft as a baby's ass. 1 armor at level 12 if you don't buy chain/platemail along the way. 3 auto attacks from Viper/Drow/Ursa/etc. and he's sleeping. Drow silence/orchid/silencer makes him a medium camp creep (no, not even a big creep. those take more damage than Skywrath).
Nyx (or any of the invis roster) will melt him if he has no detection. If Skywrath does have detection, however, I'd place my bet on Skywrath all day. E --> W --> R --> Q --> dead Nyx/BH/Riki/Weaver.
shira
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my gut tells me Rubick will end up being the better counter, time will tell
The debuff icon appears regardless of how much mana you have.
I still understand your point and the ward is for sure a big pain for him (and anybody else), just he can't really be surprised by it if he pays attention.
balladofwindfishes
Member
Man, his new voice is terrible...
Dreams-Visions
Member
Word. The point wasn't to make Skywrath kill himself; but rather to pacify him. Pugna neuters Skywrath. His presence alone means he's not likely to ult very often in team fights. If you just want Skywrath to die, you just right click him a couple of times with any appropriate carry. Any hero that does right-click damage will do unless he's making a meaningful investment into his armor. Even then, his HP will never really eclipse 2000 @ level 25 unless he's doing a very out-of-the-ordinary build, so he'll always be the softest or close to the softest target for your team's carries.
Why Rubick? Right-clicking him really is the way to handle him. Pugna is just to be an asshole about it along the way.
Green Biker Dude
Banned
well no shit if you have detection nyx dies
also no shit that right clicking heroes can deal lots of damage to skywrath mage. but any hero with loads of burst like tusk, pudge or him should dominate vs drow/sniper shit in the early game. that's not a reliable counter. if you win as a right click carry vs a nuker in the early game, you're outplaying the opponent. that's completely different
as for pugna, he is just such a shitty hero in general. no stuns, so he isn't good as 4-5, 30 heroes are better mid, he can't offlane, can't jungle. he has his ward, a free e-blade for morph and a shitty spell that works on towers but can't be spammed due to mana issues
also no shit that right clicking heroes can deal lots of damage to skywrath mage. but any hero with loads of burst like tusk, pudge or him should dominate vs drow/sniper shit in the early game. that's not a reliable counter. if you win as a right click carry vs a nuker in the early game, you're outplaying the opponent. that's completely different
as for pugna, he is just such a shitty hero in general. no stuns, so he isn't good as 4-5, 30 heroes are better mid, he can't offlane, can't jungle. he has his ward, a free e-blade for morph and a shitty spell that works on towers but can't be spammed due to mana issues
Ah woops, you're of course correct. Could still be a pain if it's on cd.
Pinko Marx
Banned
Whats a good way to play Panda?
Dreams-Visions
Member
Well no shit if you don't have detection nyx will kill anyone on the map. No shit that if you win the early game as a carry, you're outplaying your opponent. No shit any hero with loads of burst should dominate in the early game.
So what are we even talking about? Our side-discussion here is based on the last clip of the youtube video that I posted. someone was undoubtely going to ask why Skywrath melted at the end, so I headed the questions off at the pass and explained why Pugna can be a true asshole to Skywrath. It wasn't meant to be a deep discussion point but an effort to point out a hero that can be very annoying for Skywraths on day 1 when kids are autolocking the guy and don't know what they're doing.
So what else are we talking about? Nothing? Yes, Nyx will make any squishy int hero melt. Viper melts squishy int heroes. Rage is a pretty good ability. I'm sure we never knew. Your cookie is in the mail.
balladofwindfishes
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Update postponed until tomorrow
boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
I'm sure there's a good reason though, so that's cool.
Stahsky
A passionate embrace, a beautiful memory lingers.
Learn to micro, grab a blink dagger, find time to farm an ult stick. The usual stuff. He isn't too hard to play.
Pinko Marx
Banned
So pretty much just go tournament tryhard mode and thats it?
Are there any interesting builds for him other than that?
Sounds like you are just bad and dont know shit about how the hero is played.
Green Biker Dude
Banned
well you seemed to be implying pugna was a good, reliable counter to skywrath despite the fact that he only has a situational spell to deal with it and the fact that he's just a shitty hero in general. kind of like using viper to counter lifestealer, except viper is actually more useful than pugna, all other things considered
i'm genuinely interested in counters for the new hero, since people loving picking them whenever they come out, but it seems as if you're just getting mad at the discussion, so i'm done
enlighten me
Dreams-Visions
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Well...the ult stick maximizes the amount of time you can spend in ult form which is...I mean, the ult is why you pick him. It also gives you the mana pool he desperately needs to get off all his abilities. Blink is what gets you into position to ult and be effective. Without the blink to get right in the middle of the action, it can become easy for the enemy targets to simply run away from your spirits.
If you want to deal loads of damage, farm up an AC in addition to the ult stick and scepter. The more attack speed, the more crit procs. Toss in a casual orb of venom early for more slow as you right-click. I suppose something that adds more damage like an MKB or deso would be fine. I've seen Bfury a couple of times too. Early soul ring can help alleviate mana issues in the first 20 minutes, depending on how things are going. But the expensive items here are if you just have enough money to buy unnecessary luxury items.
Schweinehund
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Someone should let the competitive players know that detection counters nyx and makes him useless.
edit: To be less trollish, just play against skywrath. Any hero seems good against bots, but bots don't prioritize targets. A live game against skywrath and you'll see how paper thin his EHP is when everyone will focus you.
edit: To be less trollish, just play against skywrath. Any hero seems good against bots, but bots don't prioritize targets. A live game against skywrath and you'll see how paper thin his EHP is when everyone will focus you.
Do a midas into armlet, and drums with a satanic if you never want to use his ulti.
Green Biker Dude
Banned
you don't understand schweinehund, you just don't know how I play pugna. gg nab reported bronze scum
Stahsky
A passionate embrace, a beautiful memory lingers.
Dude, you brought out the hate. He countered accordingly.
Also Pugna has a place and a time. He can be extremely strong in some situations, and the ward is not just punishment tool. It's a deterrent.
Well, I would say blink/ult stick are core. But after that, you can pretty much do whatever. Aside from what others mentioned, I normally go/see vlads (if we need one) and/or AC after ult stick. The problem is finding items that can stay useful even when he ults. Auras and whatnot are really helpful.
Green Biker Dude
Banned
it's not hate, it's rough love
vitaminwateryum
corporate swill
Protip: If the other team is buying detection for Nyx and he doesn't have a blink dagger, he's doing it wrong.
Ok goombas here's how you deal with skyasshole. Omni, sd, pugna, nyx, naix, storm, ns, spiritbreaker, sylla, spectre, silencer, bat.
Any hero that can get up and personal on him, prevent his dmg output through either silence/magic immunity, and/or is gonna tanky enough to tank his shit is gonna eat skywrath like a bowl of wheaties.
Any hero that can get up and personal on him, prevent his dmg output through either silence/magic immunity, and/or is gonna tanky enough to tank his shit is gonna eat skywrath like a bowl of wheaties.
All I'm getting from you guys is an incredible sense of SWM sucks.
noooo haly
I should get back to owning noobs in dota
noooo haly
I should get back to owning noobs in dota
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