I've had loads of games where someone on the team calls gg and asks everyone to stop defending the base, "please finish" etc.
That doesn't change the fact that it is the best possible option.
I randomed Gyrocopter and as I suspected this fucker is piss easy to walk all over the enemy team with. Nerf Gyro, pls.
yeah, but they usually don't ( for many reason one of it being afraid of low prio because of afk ) really stop defending, it's more about them not defending really seriously, so it end up still making the game drag longer than it could while also not allowing them to make a comeback.I've had loads of games where someone on the team calls gg and asks everyone to stop defending the base, "please finish" etc.
In my scenario, the concede option would appear rarely, because it's rare that a game is lopsided enough to trigger the concede option. I'd say no more than 10% of my games are lopsided enough to trigger a concession if implemented how I envision it. but idk.
yeah, but they usually don't ( for many reason one of it being afraid of low prio because of afk ) really stop defending, it's more about them not defending really seriously, so it end up still making the game drag longer than it could while also not allowing them to make a comeback.
go away, i liked him before he was flavor of the month
After watching that Liquid vs Mouse replay today on YT, i feel that any game can be saved if you play smart enough
After watching that Liquid vs Mouse replay today on YT, i feel that any game can be saved if you play smart enough
the problem is that usually the matches "end" around the 15-30 min mark, but the games drag for another 20 minutes or so. suppose that happens on 2 games a day, you're wasting 280 minutes per week
people love being dumb and arguing that playing dota is already a waste of time, but there's clearly a difference between playing a game that you've got 90% chance of losing and a game where the matchmaking gives you a 50% chance from min 0
even if you were to assume that you could make a huge comeback once a week -- and it usually happens way less often -- you're basically saying that comeback was worth like 5 hours of your life. i don't know about the average dota player, but that's fucking stupid to me
the concede option might be conditional on some carry getting a high net worth at some point compared to the rest of the players, advantage in kills or towers, whatever. but it needs to exist, and at the same time require either 4 or 5 people on the team taking in the rear to agree to it. either way, it can't get any worse than it already is in this regard, so they should be doing something about it instead of just releasing a new crate every month
There's that defeatist attitude again. Analyzing this shit by the number of minutes played is the dumbest thing I've read all week. Games rarely end at the "15-30" minute mark as carries haven't has the time to ramp up yet. Only complete stomps end around that time because lo and behold they've destroyed your base - guess you don't need that concede option!. By what you've written you seem like the type of person who gives up as soon as things go the least bit sour which is an awful fucking attitude to take (I'm sure you're teammates would agree). Even if there's only a 10% chance to win you should play your best and try to win it - arguing otherwise means you're just a shit teammate who's going to turn that 10% into a 0%.
There's that defeatist attitude again. Analyzing this shit by the number of minutes played is the dumbest thing I've read all week. Games rarely end at the "15-30" minute mark as carries haven't has the time to ramp up yet. Only complete stomps end around that time because lo and behold they've destroyed your base - guess you don't need that concede option!. By what you've written you seem like the type of person who gives up as soon as things go the least bit sour which is a shitty fucking attitude to take (I'm sure you're teammates would agree). Even if there's only a 10% chance to win you should play your best and try to win it - arguing otherwise means your just a shit teammate who's going to turn that 10% into a 0%.
There's that defeatist attitude again. Analyzing this shit by the number of minutes played is the dumbest thing I've read all week. Games rarely end at the "15-30" minute mark as carries haven't has the time to ramp up yet. Only complete stomps end around that time because lo and behold they've destroyed your base - guess you don't need that concede option!. By what you've written you seem like the type of person who gives up as soon as things go the least bit sour which is an awful fucking attitude to take (I'm sure you're teammates would agree). Even if there's only a 10% chance to win you should play your best and try to win it - arguing otherwise means you're just a shit teammate who's going to turn that 10% into a 0%.
the problem is that usually the matches "end" around the 15-30 min mark, but the games drag for another 20 minutes or so. suppose that happens on 2 games a day, you're wasting 280 minutes per week
people love being dumb and arguing that playing dota is already a waste of time, but there's clearly a difference between playing a game that you've got 90% chance of losing and a game where the matchmaking gives you a 50% chance from min 0
even if you were to assume that you could make a huge comeback once a week -- and it usually happens way less often -- you're basically saying that comeback was worth like 5 hours of your life. i don't know about the average dota player, but that's fucking stupid to me
the concede option might be conditional on some carry getting a high net worth at some point compared to the rest of the players, advantage in kills or towers, whatever. but it needs to exist, and at the same time require either 4 or 5 people on the team taking in the rear to agree to it. either way, it can't get any worse than it already is in this regard, so they should be doing something about it instead of just releasing a new crate every month
Most people don't have enough experience in the game to be able to make a judgement about wheter the game is over or not. Also concede option essentially gimps you in the long run because you could play 10 games and only maybe in one of them you actually get to play the lategame.
I had an argument about that with a friend against concede, told me it wasn't what dota is about. So i brought the competitive scene, i don't see why they can gg and we shouldn't be able to, because sure they are probably the best suited to know when a game is lost, but they also are the best suited to be able to make a comeback given their level.Valve allows people to call early GG's and has a kill switch in pro games.
I try to treat everyone with the same amount of respect, I see no reason why 5/5 people cannot come to a consensus on whether or not to surrender, while they allow this in pro games that have way more on the line than a solo queue game.
Most people don't have enough experience in the game to be able to make a judgement about wheter the game is over or not. Also concede option essentially gimps you in the long run because you could play 10 games and only maybe in one of them you actually get to play the lategame.
Valve allows people to call early GG's and has a kill switch in pro games.
I try to treat everyone with the same amount of respect, I see no reason why 5/5 people cannot come to a consensus on whether or not to surrender, while they allow this in pro games that have way more on the line than a solo queue game.
You can do the same in pub games, everyone leaves then the game ends.
I got this once in my around 1000 matches. I don't think it's that diffused.I guess the question is this:
How much theoretically can you learn from a late game in which you're sequestered to your fountain/base and waiting for them to invade because you've been stomped so hard? You can turtle for 15 minutes, but if you're at the point where you're not even able to step outside the confines of your base...
by that same token, most people don't have enough experience to make a comeback once the difference between the teams reaches a certain threshold
that only works if you're a 5man stack. that's like saying there shouldn't be voice ingame because people can use skype
I got this once in my around 1000 matches. I don't think it's that diffused.
Loda asking for an 1hr delay so he can go to a meeting with sponsors, lol.
Can't watch at work. Who's NTH's 5th after the boot of EE?
"Loda Time"
You can do the same in pub games, everyone leaves then the game ends.
that only works if you're a 5man stack. that's like saying there shouldn't be voice ingame because people can use skype
No chair no. That 10% win chance means sitting by a tower for 20 minutes hoping that the enemy team fucks up really badly. Is it possible to win? Sure. Do I want to go through the boring ass idle-ness of enemy destroys you when you leave the tower range dota? No. It's just a waste of time if you want to play 'im really far behind game' go play some scrims, where you genuinely have teamwork and some semblance of strategic coherence.There's that defeatist attitude again. Analyzing this shit by the number of minutes played is the dumbest thing I've read all week. Games rarely end at the "15-30" minute mark as carries haven't has the time to ramp up yet. Only complete stomps end around that time because lo and behold they've destroyed your base - guess you don't need that concede option!. By what you've written you seem like the type of person who gives up as soon as things go the least bit sour which is an awful fucking attitude to take (I'm sure you're teammates would agree). Even if there's only a 10% chance to win you should play your best and try to win it - arguing otherwise means you're just a shit teammate who's going to turn that 10% into a 0%.
no loda, so let's pick 0 carries and still shit on na'vi with smugling
Well my friends have been sucked into this game and I figured I'd finally give it a shot. Anybody have an invite for a prospective player?
The best possible option is no concede actually.
go away, i liked him before he was flavor of the month
Valve allows people to call early GG's and has a kill switch in pro games.
I try to treat everyone with the same amount of respect, I see no reason why 5/5 people cannot come to a consensus on whether or not to surrender, while they allow this in pro games that have way more on the line than a solo queue game.
They banked on a full on turtle line up to get farm on their big carries LS/Druid. Even picked Ezalor for maximum lameness. NTH went full on offensive with NS, BH and Leshrac for those towers. If this game was prolonged and NTH didn't get those early kills it would've been easy win for Navi. But those track kills fed the entire team.Even darkseer was tanky as hell at the end, lifestealer/druid had no dmg to kill anyone.
