? It's not forced. Unless you launch the game for the first time maybe. But only if you pick you are new.
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Dota 2 Beta Thread 4: Even Mike Ross Plays [Elder Titan]
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? It's not forced. Unless you launch the game for the first time maybe. But only if you pick you are new.
Sgt.Pepper
Banned
Forced?
I'm failing to see how that's a bad thing.
Cool I will message you when I am home from work.
In the latest dota2 vs LoL article on a gaming site
http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/02/27/face-off-league-of-legends-vs-dota-2/
At least he's not complete 'LoL is better blabla'
Pureauthor
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Got the Batrider Bandana.
SteveWinwood
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How come I always hear LoL metagame is boring and stagnant? Do I just hear the haters?
Also people got paid to write that tripe.
Pureauthor
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Read the rest of the article and make your own conclusions about how informed the people having that debate are.
SteveWinwood
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For some reason I didn't even see the quotes, thought he was just saying that.
Yeah those guys are jokers.
shira
Member
It is nothing like the actual game. Last hitting is one thing, but to last hit while 3 guys are casting crazy shit at you.
Schweinehund
Member
It wasn't when I played like a year ago (I think they just added jarvan IV).
When I play now it def is, you'll get a ton of shit if you don't follow the lanes strictly, and I heard you can get suspensions if you break the meta in ranked mm.
dave is ok
aztek is ok
Goddamn this prison economy. I bought the TA shoulders and I barely even play her
PsychoSoldier
Banned
I think the basic metagame in terms of roles is pretty static (1 AD and 1 hard support bot, AP mid, 1 jungler, 1 bruiser top) but the particulars change a great deal all the time.
And honest to god I don't understand why people write stuff up like that. I play and watch both games and though the relation of LoL to DotA2 is obvious, they just feel so different that I rarely compare them in my mind.
I mean, the lack of buybacks in LoL alone changes the complexion of a match a great deal in terms of strategy, and that's just one thing of many.
Sgt.Pepper
Banned
It is a beta. It says that people should give feedback, what you are complaining about is reasonable and it would be better than you post it in the dev forums instead of complaining about 'forced' tutorial.
Oh yeah, the game crashed my whole damn computer.
http://www.cyborgmatt.com/2013/03/dota-2-27th-february/#unreleased-ui-updates
A lore book of some kind, this is really interesting!
A lore book of some kind, this is really interesting!
The basic meta game and the particulars are both stagnant in LoL. I mean not on an individual champion level, but the laning is basically identical in every game and the variety of champions is ridiculously small compared to dota. I know it's just a cliched meme, but the whole 'we need new hero, it should be melee bruiser with gap closer and AoE' is actually kind of accurate. Which champion in which role is most popular atm may change, but they mostly play very similar, so it doesn't really matter in the overall play style of the game. The mechanical difference between Phantom Lancer and Faceless Void, for example is about 100 times greater than the mechanical difference between, say, Kog'Maw and Caitlyn. A Chen or Meepo really make all of LoL's heroes look like clones, and there isn't really the kind of role switching in LoL that there is in Dota. You aren't going to see the equivalent of carry venge or support naga in LoL. Jungling heroes have decent variety, every other role plays really similarly.
As you say, the lanes in LoL are basically set in concrete because of the blue/red buff and the dragon. A trilane or dual mid in LoL? not gonna happen. On the rarest of occasions you'll see a dual lane top because one of the teams feels they can't contest dragons against a particular lineup, but that is the maximum amount of lane variety you will see in LoL.
I disagree you. While it is nothing like the actual game, it's a good thing that they split these mechanics apart first so you can learn them individually. You need to learn to crawl before you can walk. Trying to throw some asshole spamming Illuminates at you while you try to farm is not really going to teach anyone anything their first time playing. They need to have a basic concept of last hitting, then later they can lump on top of that dealing with harass and such.
I really hope they have special "challenges" for certain heroes with mechanics that aren't quite as straight forward to explain. Maybe a map for AA to practice sniping someone with Ice Blast, and how to monitor their movement speed so you can guess where they are. Have the player do it once with constant vision so they can get a feel for how fast the Ice Blast is, then have them do it with brief vision when they run away from you, then no vision when they get away from you. A Pudge hooking tutorial is obvious, as well as a tutorial for Kunkka (2 points in X + Torrent, etc.).
It's a good idea to split the mechanics of the game apart rather than immediately overwhelm the player, otherwise they won't retain any of it.
Looks like plastic wrap.
its amazing. It's a garage door.
I laughed really hard when I did his ult. I wanted to check em out in game and noticed they were bugged even on his back so I got 6 to test his ult and got that. Seriously looks like he is running around hitting people with a big sheet of plastic wrap.
No one actually learns to last hits in a live game anyway. You first learn to last hit perfectly against just creeps in a practice game then you graduate to last hitting while there is harassment and denying from bots and finally you graduate to playing against humans. This is just a first quest, you expected them to throw players into a full game without going over individual mechanics? There are still a lot of mechanics they have to go over and slowly they will start giving you quests that are more like real game scenarios.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhH4NdB2JxE
This is probably the best dota video ever created. It has everything.
This is probably the best dota video ever created. It has everything.
ScepticMatt
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Now that I can see it up close, I think I actually prefer the old Fiery Soul icon to the new one.
It's supposed to be a tutorial of the basics. You learn best while not under stress.
It wont be the only one.
ProtoCents
Banned
Is he going to saran wrap his enemies to death?
Pureauthor
Member
In a stunning display of being unable to keep their own shit straight, Valve has enabled the still-immortal Dragonclaw Hook to drop again:
Match ID: 138570790
Quick, play now and pray before it's hotfixed!
Match ID: 138570790
Quick, play now and pray before it's hotfixed!
I can't wait to see a billion more enemy teams offer me things for my hook the next time I play Pudge. I don't think I've played Pudge since the Dragonclaw Hook turned Immortal.
Avinexus
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You won't see trilanes in LoL because they would get too far behind exp and money-wise. It's not worth having three in a lane while letting the jungle camps just go to waste. Dual lanes top happen all the time in tournaments, you will rarely see it during your normal day-to-day play.
wakajawaka
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I'm really mad right now. 83 minutes.
Won mid hard, troll didn't get anything, not even decent xp. Then got all t2 and t3 towers fairly soon. Pushing everywhere without dying. Then the other team started playing passive, only fought when I wasnt there, my team staying in mid doing nothing or just feeding around. In the end two of them just went and pushed alone and of course dying. "i'm tired of this game". I could have done better, too many active items to use, didnt use sheepstick properly, but still I feel I couldn't have done anything to win this game.
Feels batman.
Won mid hard, troll didn't get anything, not even decent xp. Then got all t2 and t3 towers fairly soon. Pushing everywhere without dying. Then the other team started playing passive, only fought when I wasnt there, my team staying in mid doing nothing or just feeding around. In the end two of them just went and pushed alone and of course dying. "i'm tired of this game". I could have done better, too many active items to use, didnt use sheepstick properly, but still I feel I couldn't have done anything to win this game.
Feels batman.
That Necrolyte was MVP. 43 assists I said WOW! He was involved in 2 out of every 3 kills for his team.
That Lifestealer was absolute garbage though. Fed the whole game didn't get a single kill and had miniscule items for 83 minutes.
Really weird game :S
We had quite the awkward team composition on both sides. Still surprised we managed to win with 4 magic based characters.
I Like to use Keeper of the Light but he's so tricky to use. I feel like that I always have to stay behind the team or else I'm shredded to pieces in an instant. I think I'm playing way too defensive with this hero. I had a lot of kills here but it's mainly because of Illuminate in team fights or when the enemies were fleeing.
I really want to learn to play Invoker now. The guy in the team was so great with him. He does appear to be hard to use though.
We had quite the awkward team composition on both sides. Still surprised we managed to win with 4 magic based characters.
I Like to use Keeper of the Light but he's so tricky to use. I feel like that I always have to stay behind the team or else I'm shredded to pieces in an instant. I think I'm playing way too defensive with this hero. I had a lot of kills here but it's mainly because of Illuminate in team fights or when the enemies were fleeing.
I really want to learn to play Invoker now. The guy in the team was so great with him. He does appear to be hard to use though.
SteveWinwood
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No kidding.
Pureauthor
Member
Did Ursa and Naix seriously have nothing but those items after 80 minutes of play? Wow.
wakajawaka
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Keep in mind the aura damages every hero in a battle. They were all 5 at some point, I think they were a stack of 3 or 4.
But yeah, our late game heroes sucked hard, that's really why we lost.
Avinexus
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43 assists and 10 kills out of a possible 54 kills total. He was only not a part of 1 kill.
Technosteve
Banned
Pat Pat at least you have your Alche gear
Smurfdota
Dreams-Visions
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bwahaha
Well I was looking at the 61 deaths of Radiants but yeah that is still very impressive.
Should've rushed Mek.
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