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Dota 2 Beta Thread 4: Even Mike Ross Plays [Elder Titan]
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GordonHalfman
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Is Vlads considered something someone on the team should have for the damage aura? Or is it not that important. I've been buying it on melee supports sometimes.
So, i have one too many Horn of the Druud (Centaur cosmetic), any of you guys want to trade for it?
Anyways, i tried out brewmaster today after getting a Wine of the Vice drop, damn i had a lot of fun with him, is he really that powerfull or were the players i faced just bad?
I went mid btw.
Anyways, i tried out brewmaster today after getting a Wine of the Vice drop, damn i had a lot of fun with him, is he really that powerfull or were the players i faced just bad?
I went mid btw.
Same thing with Russians in Europe. Filtering for English doesn't seem to work (I'm guessing they queue there too).
They're not all bad. There is the occasional gosu Russian carry, but the numbers are not in their favor.
Worth having and it's something that is core for heroes like Lycan and Ursa but the aura only applies to base damage and attribute damage so the first number not including the green numbers therefore it doesn't add a huge amount normally. So like let's say your white number is 200, you'll add 30. Not really significant considering the cost but not a bad thing to have in a fight.
Generally, heroes that will benefit the most are fast attacking, high survivability heroes because they'll get more hits which means more lifesteal. With a hero like BH, you're focusing on high alpha strike over attack speed and he's squishy so it's less beneficial than an Ursa that hits very fast and can stay up.
Melee support being Ogre or Omni? Vlad's is a bad pick on both of them. Get Mekanism instead.
Oh, I misread the part where he said melee supports. Yeah, nah I wouldn't get it. I've seen some Omni's get it if they want to do ganker style builds in pubs where they build for high survivability and slowing gear but played as a support I'd say definitely no.
It's not like you can't buy Vlads after the Mek. In certain situtations (mid game when you're wealthy enough to constantly buy the obligatory support items and your team has both Mek and Pipe up, but won't be getting a Sheepstick anytime soon) Vlads can be a good pickup on any support. Rushing it just because you're playing Ogre or Omni is bad though, I agree.
Match ID 140940613 according to the youtube
There's only a few heroes where Vlads will be an early item you buy. Most of the times its a luxury item that supports get to boost their carries, or an i-wanna-win-the-game-now kind of item, kind of like SnY.
The only few heroes I can think of that would possibly get Vlads as part of their core would be Lycan, BH, AM, Sylla, Ursa, Pa, Meepo.
The only few heroes I can think of that would possibly get Vlads as part of their core would be Lycan, BH, AM, Sylla, Ursa, Pa, Meepo.
GordonHalfman
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Yeah I meant it as something to get after a mek maybe instead of a drum, if the team doesn't have one already obviously. Mainly for the damage aura but it's hard to tell how much it helps.
Naga should be banned from pubs. Bcz shit like that happens all the time
Risible
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Had the exact same thing last night,except it was a Zeus/Warlock combo. Warlock spent the first 10 minutes feeding like mad and yelling "ULTI!" at me as he dove into the other two characters and no amount of explaining would get him to understand that I don't get my ulti until level 6. His friend Zeus stole as many kills as possible and did exactly what you said - hung back all fight and then come in to mop up. He stole so many kills from the carry that it actually became comical. Oh, and he spent the whole match calling us madicones and putas. Joy.
Sgt.Pepper
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Fuck. I remember something like this happening when I used Epicenter and venom ulted (he had invis rune and blink), then naga ulted.... Just a second later.
electroshockwave
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Would love to see the team chat after that one. Naga and Void seem to get me killed more with their ults than the other team.
close to the edge
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Yeah, I like playing Naga, except for her ultimate. Whenever I use it in a situation that is not "fuck i need to get out of here there are 9 heroes ganking me", it ends badly. I've gotten pretty okay with Chronosphere, at least lately I've usually got more enemies inside it than allies.
Put about 6 hours into this so far. I feel like I'm still very much in "n00b" territory but I definitely feel like I'm learning. I've only been on the losing team once in my last six matches which I'm quite happy with.
Trying to experiment with a few characters other than Lich, who I've mostly been playing with. Played as Clinkz last night and had a blast so might try and learn more with him.
Trying to experiment with a few characters other than Lich, who I've mostly been playing with. Played as Clinkz last night and had a blast so might try and learn more with him.
That n00b territory will last for another couple of months..
I'm sitting at 180 hours played and still consider myself a noob. I almost exclusively play single draft and still haven't played every hero the game to offer. But learning this game is really fun.
shira
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Win/loss and K/D/A is useless as an indicator of success or learning at the start since there are so many smurfs and noobs out there.
If you get unsolicited commends or unsolicited positive feedback from others, I would take those as really big "wins" especially from higher level players.
Does the Dota.dev site take advice from the community on hero balance?
There are clearly a few heroes that need a bit more work on balance. Treants ulti for sure needs a rework. But even his other skills seem a bit iffy.
Timbersaw; is it just me or does it seem like his ulti is not dealing it's actual intended damage? His Timber chain also doesn't have fluid animation coming out of it there seems to be a delay. Seems sticky. In general players tend to kill more tree's then heroes with this guy.
Earthshaker = that one skill guy. I like ES but he seems very one dimensional. I still enjoy playing him so it's not like he's boring to play. Just lacks utility outside of a couple of his skills.
Spirit Breaker; Basically created for people that enjoy suicide play. Everything is synergised towards suicidal and selfish play style.
There are clearly a few heroes that need a bit more work on balance. Treants ulti for sure needs a rework. But even his other skills seem a bit iffy.
Timbersaw; is it just me or does it seem like his ulti is not dealing it's actual intended damage? His Timber chain also doesn't have fluid animation coming out of it there seems to be a delay. Seems sticky. In general players tend to kill more tree's then heroes with this guy.
Earthshaker = that one skill guy. I like ES but he seems very one dimensional. I still enjoy playing him so it's not like he's boring to play. Just lacks utility outside of a couple of his skills.
Spirit Breaker; Basically created for people that enjoy suicide play. Everything is synergised towards suicidal and selfish play style.
I hope not.
Have to disagree with this, a team that ganks together stays together. In the end it all depends on your own play-style. The hero doesn't absolutely dictate how you play.
Yeah it's a double edged sword but I think some people in the community could come up with decent and solid proposals for heroes. Most will probably be rubbish sure but it's worth it in Valves side to throw the net out sometimes and see what gets caught.
TheThunder
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Bring out the folding chair, you'll be here for a while.
Try out Tidehunter, he's very basic and easy to play.
I don't disagree. I just think there is a natural inclination by SB players to play suicidal due to his skill set.
Way to go, I'd strongly advise against ever starting to "main" heroes, it'll only hurt you in the long run. Dipping into All Random also can't hurt, the team compositions you'll see there will actually be better than in low level All Pick games most of the time.
Haha, I expected that.
The game is definitely fun to learn though. I don't feel particularly disadvantaged by my current skill level and feel I've contributed to the team effort, although any higher level players in my games might disagree with that! I'll keep an eye out for commends and other feedback.
Just getting my head around all the various terminology and references at the moment which is a task in itself. Getting there though.
I really didn't think the game would be my bag but it's addictive as hell. I can't remember the last time I got this engrossed in a game, certainly not a multiplayer or a free to play one. Also, no wonder Valve are taking their sweet time with Half Life 3. One look at the Steam marketplace and the in-game stores and I bet they make some serious coin from this and TF2 despite being F2P..
I think some people just relish the opportunity to be suicidal every now and then; if they feel SB gives them that excuse then that's fair enough. Playing safe all the time can be boring.
Yeah, I'm now at the point where I at least know what each hero is capable of. I'm also thinking of dropping single draft and queuing for more random draft games. While single draft is quite fun there's always the chance that you get fucked over with the heroes you get. Games where you end up with no carries and the enemy team has Drow, Sniper and Phantom Lancer really suck.
With more experience you'll find that they don't automatically. Pubbies can't into pushing strats, thus executing those properly almost always nets you an easy win. Granted, current Drow and PL are probably the carries against which it's the hardest to push early, because you'd have to finish really fast in order to stop them from becoming somewhat dangerous.
Pureauthor
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balladofwindfishes
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Valve confirmed they're fixing the chain bug
Last night when I played my first match I couldn't remember the beginner friendly ones, and jsut randomed and got the pirate dude, Kurrakan or whatever. Meh. I'll try out Tidehunter if that's the case and stick with just him while I learn.
Ugh, that's what intimidating. I've been in the mood for a rts/strategy/whatever game in a while, but I think I've grown past the sort of 1v1 battles, what I like most about Dota is the 5v5 format, and that's what made it so fun last night.
Focusing on a smaller hero pool in the beginning is totally fine, but don't overdo it and play Tide like 40 matches in a row. I know several people who settled for the support/semi-support role early, playing only a handful of different heroes (one of them has played Lich/Windrunner in far over 50% of his total matches), and it shows. Playing -rd or -sd with them can be a horrible gamble sometimes.
The problem I see here is that once you've played yourself up to a certain MMR and face decent opponents you simply won't be able to practice roles you are unfamiliar with in a realistic environment, because you'll get absolutely stomped playing for example a carry when you can't farm somewhat efficiently.
tl;dr: The earlier you branch out the better.
if it makes you feel any better, you will never be good and every glorious victory is countered by a soul-defiling defeat. Have fun.
Brewmaster is one of my best/favourite heroes. The ultimate can really control the pace of the early/mid game when you've got it. Press that advantage and take a few first team fights and you'll leave your enemies in such a deficit that when the ult starts losing its effectiveness your team is just too strong for it to matter.
That said, enemy had Medusa so you were basically playing 5v4.
Also last night I randomed Bloodseeker, I looked it up and I was 0-2 with him. I went safe lane against a solo QoP..
Broke my xpm and gpm records that game. Had PMS, Treads, Wand, TP and a full Radiance at 17 minutes. Ended up with a Butterfly, S&Y and Skullbasher on top of that with money to spare. Went 22-1. Dunno what happened there, I had to re-read his skills because I never see him at all anymore. QoP tried to blink out of my ult a couple of times and instakilled herself, which was pretty funny.
Broke my xpm and gpm records that game. Had PMS, Treads, Wand, TP and a full Radiance at 17 minutes. Ended up with a Butterfly, S&Y and Skullbasher on top of that with money to spare. Went 22-1. Dunno what happened there, I had to re-read his skills because I never see him at all anymore. QoP tried to blink out of my ult a couple of times and instakilled herself, which was pretty funny.
I have no idea what most of you said means except the recap of just switching it up is good
I'll stick to the characters progress listed in the OP I guess as well.Man, this game sounds fun
As expected I guess. lolOh, certainly. I've had a couple games where the enemy team had right click heroes, the problem is when single draft leaves you with heroes that are really bad against the enemy's, or when your teammates don't think before picking. A couple games ago me and a friend hand only support type heroes to draft from and I could see that the other guys had carries to choose from and they still picked another support hero. Thinking about it, I had the same thing happening in random draft. We picked two support heroes, teammates picked support as well while the other team had a healthy selection of carries and supports and some good stuns.
Gully State
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I watched a QPAD (SingSing and Waga's team) game yesterday where the other team called GG at -2 seconds.. Basically there was a pre game fight and the other team went down 3-0. One of guys from the other team rage dc'd and the rest of the team apologized and quit as well. I can't imagine being down 3-0 before the match even begins being that insurmountable of a lead... Truly pathetic
Dreams-Visions
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Select joins QPAD, full roster:
Razor pick by No Tidehunter:
http://www.joindota.com/en/live/tobiwan
EternalEvny having tryouts for his new team, current roster:
EternaLEnVy new team:
Razor pick by No Tidehunter:
http://www.joindota.com/en/live/tobiwan
EternalEvny having tryouts for his new team, current roster:
EternaLEnVy new team:
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