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Dota 2 Beta Thread 4: Even Mike Ross Plays [Elder Titan]

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Lycan is durable and pushes like crazy.
I want a Lycan buff.

bro lycan is the best hero in the game

Faceless can at least jump in with a Chronosphere to disable and kill a key target in the mid game. Spectre and Medusa don't quite have that presence mid game where their attacks/nukes don't do that much damage and they lack proper disables.

I guess Lycan sort of fits the bill as does Phantom Assassin. They come into power faster that those two but they are still hard carries with limited utility early on. I still find PA strong in pubs.

Also this is completely wrong. If you consider Lycan a hard carry, he's one of the weakest hard carries in the game. Pretty much any other carry will beat him out late game. If you haven't won the game by 40 minutes as a Lycan, you've pretty much failed. His power comes from quickly farming up a cheap core (vlads/medallion), taking an early rosh, and then pushing like crazy. He works really well as a 2 or secondary carry because of howl and his split push, he can complement a harder carry like n'aix or PL and give them the time they need to farm by forcing the enemy team to constantly TP back to defend towers. His usefulness peaks in the mid game and drops off the later the game gets, especially because he's so reliant on his ulti like alchemist (though alch's ulti is a longer duration and shorter CD), and in the late game, supports have the necessary items to kite you (ghost scepter, force staff) and carries have the HP/armor/evasion/dps to survive your ulti, or burst you down inside it.

PA has a similar problem as lycan in the sense that the later the game gets, the more easily she is countered compared to most carries. Most successful PA's I see now build her as a midgame ganker with a quick basher or Deso.
 
What do people think about Troll in competitive Dota 2? Will he be a common pick or will he be forever alone like many other pub level carries?
 
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What do people think about Troll in competitive Dota 2? Will he be a common pick or will he be forever alone like many other pub level carries?

I think he'd be a very strong solo laner, but only time will tell. His low mana slow/nuke along with the blind/fervor allow him to dominate 1v1 and even 1v2 lanes. His ulti basically guarantees a 10 second rosh kill at 10 minutes, a 5 second kill at 20 minutes, and a 3 second kill at 30 minutes. Obviously, it also turns the tide of team fights, and as an offlaner he can complement the primary carry. His AoE blind is also the most annoying thing ever in a team fight and shuts down pretty much any right click carry without MKB.
 
Yeah I agree with that. Troll as a secondary carry is just so good because of that Ulti and the low CD allows his team to get early towers and Roshan. He is also surprisingly strong early game for a carry with a nuke + blind, slow and a chance to stun. Only real problem with him as you mentioned with PA is that late game he gets countered by Ghost Scepter/Force Staff because he has to focus down one hero at a time.
 
Yeah I agree with that. Troll as a secondary carry is just so good because of that Ulti and the low CD allows his team to get early towers and Roshan. He is also surprisingly strong early game for a carry with a nuke + blind, slow and a chance to stun. Only real problem with him as you mentioned with PA is that late game he gets countered by Ghost Scepter/Force Staff because he has to focus down one hero at a time.

Yeah but that's ok for troll because he contributes so much as a secondary carry to the team (rosh, pushing, utility). PA contributes nothing as a secondary carry--no pushing power, no team fight utility, only damage. I don't see any possible scenario where she could be used as a 2 in competitive, but who knows.

Sure ghost scepter "counters" a lot of carries, but PA is by far the most affected because she literally can't do anything outside of right clicking.
 
Oh, there's a 200€ limit in the market. I wanted to put my good items on sale for stupidly high prices, so I don't sell them by accident.
 
Yeah but that's ok for troll because he contributes so much as a secondary carry to the team (rosh, pushing, utility). PA contributes nothing as a secondary carry--no pushing power, no team fight utility, only damage. I don't see any possible scenario where she could be used as a 2 in competitive, but who knows.

Sure ghost scepter "counters" a lot of carries, but PA is by far the most affected because she literally can't do anything outside of right clicking.

wrong noob, she can dagger people
 
Do we have a separate thread with Steam IDs of people in their respective regions looking for others to play with? I love this game but playing with random people is a bummer sometimes.
 
6 chests open two bottom watcher wards two gloried horn of druid fuck this shit

I got you beat hands down!

3x Gramma Sharpie's Smokin Rug
3x Gloried Horn of Druud
3x Ragestone Axes
2x Big Bad Bandana
2x Granpa Sharpie's Shin Shooter

The new sneak peek feature is BS...all the chests I have had showed the same items in them. So it's essentially just a feature that shows you what they looks like...rather than actually narrowing down it's contents to a select few...
 
For some reason clicking the artwork tab reverts to the all tab in both the website and the client. : /

edit: found a link http://steamcommunity.com/id/valve_artists/images/?appid=570

that roshan is nightmare fuel.

Thanks for this. Pretty interesting how close most of the heroes end up to their concept. Wish they'd post more.

Spectre, Doom, PA.

I had this one game where the Doom said he was going to only jungle and not leave until he had his radiance.

Needless to say, we lost.
 
Who says we don't like the items?

I just take issue with Valve thinking it's fine to give me more duplicates...

If you keep opening chests then apparently you're the one who's fine with duplicates since the more chests you open the higher your chances of getting the same item twice.

Case in point: your earlier post.
 
I had this one game where the Doom said he was going to only jungle and not leave until he had his radiance.

Needless to say, we lost.

Doom is kind of in his own special "god awful tier", because even with massive items he can still be totally useless.
 
If you keep opening chests then apparently you're the one who's fine with duplicates since the more chests you open the higher your chances of getting the same item twice.

Case in point: your earlier post.

eh, I posted this before, but in my experience with all of Valve's crates, it seems like some accounts are pre-disposed to have a higher chance for some items.

My chances of opening 5 Hellgazer wards out of 10 crates isn't very high. But it happened. 3 others were Naga primary swords. The last two were unique items.

This crate I opened 2 and got 2 Sniper capes. My brother opened 3 and got 3 Jakiro wards. That just seems... fishy. That shouldn't be happening constantly.
 
oh my, how is that even possible? Drow with BKB + Slardar should rampage that shit easily

Nah, the more fed drow is, the harder Shadow Demon's penis gets. They could pretty easily have Drow locked down most of the length of her bkb with Tide ult and Warlock ult as longa s they're coordinated not to mention all the slows coming out plus ice path. Tide has a refresher so now that's two ults and it's gg if he gets all of you. The lockdown potential of that team is pretty crazy and then you've got Jakiro ult coming out while you're all sitting there thumbing your anus and Warlock's golem banging away on you while SD's disruptions plink away with at you. Menawhile, SS's snakes are pewpewing you as are Jakiro's Necro book familiars. That's a lot of damage coming your way.

Not to mention Drow was the only one with a decent level of farm. Like look at those numbers seriously. You got way outfarmed by them.
 
So you don't like everything inside.

Got it.

I wanted one hellgazer

not 5

and because of that, I'm not really opening as many new crates as I did Dark and Lotus crates. I got dupes and then my brother got dupes and we quit it because it just seemed stacked.

They need a better RNG if many people continue to get the same item over and over again
 
eh, I posted this before, but in my experience with all of Valve's crates, it seems like some accounts are pre-disposed to have a higher chance for some items.

My chances of opening 5 Hellgazer wards out of 10 crates isn't very high. But it happened. 3 others were Naga primary swords. The last two were unique items.

This crate I opened 2 and got 2 Sniper capes. My brother opened 3 and got 3 Jakiro wards. That just seems... fishy. That shouldn't be happening constantly.

Maybe the RNG is screwed up. It seems to work fine when examined over all accounts, but tons of people seem to have the bad luck of getting tons of duplicate item. You should only have a 0.1% chance of getting the same item 5 times out of 10 chests, which isn't that horrible of odds, but it seems to be pretty common.
 
Troll has become my most played hero.
90% win rate with Troll in my shit tier.

yessss

I'm hoping a lot of talent goes toward troll's items, I'll suck them up like a vacuum. He's also the sixth most popular hero, a very lucrative option for item makers.

edit: To clarify, sixth most popular this month. This week he's in the top 15, so maybe his popularity is fading.
 
Wow, didn't realize Troll was picked so much, likely the only reason we haven't gotten anything yet is due to him not being on the work shop yet.
 
Maybe the RNG is screwed up. It seems to work fine when examined over all accounts, but tons of people seem to have the bad luck of getting tons of duplicate item. You should only have a 0.1% chance of getting the same item 5 times out of 10 chests, which isn't that horrible of odds, but it seems to be pretty common.

The chest that had the Wheel of Fortitude was the one where I stopped opening multiples. Got two of those back to back. If there's a chest with a high proportion of items I want, I'll just get one key and hope for the best now.

Mostly, I just stick with what drops. Though I am waiting for the Bastion announcer to go on sale.
 
We just lost to 5 supports.

What. The. Fuck.

Edit: http://dotabuff.com/matches/141724049

I had a similar match the other day in All Random, except I was on the winning side. We got 5 INT heroes against Troll, Doom, Silencer, SK, and Lesh. Everyone thought we were done before the match began, but we actually ended up stomping them. A lesson for anyone that cries about team composition and calls GG before the first creep wave even spawns.

http://dotabuff.com/matches/140040256
 
I wanted one hellgazer

not 5

and because of that, I'm not really opening as many new crates as I did Dark and Lotus crates. I got dupes and then my brother got dupes and we quit it because it just seemed stacked.

They need a better RNG if many people continue to get the same item over and over again

Do you open your chests all at once? I've had better luck opening them in 2-3 minute intervals.
 
I wanted one hellgazer

not 5

and because of that, I'm not really opening as many new crates as I did Dark and Lotus crates. I got dupes and then my brother got dupes and we quit it because it just seemed stacked.

They need a better RNG if many people continue to get the same item over and over again
I got 4 Lich Wards, but I was able to dump 3 of them onto Dota2WH and get the bulk of the other items from the chest. Mostly due to the wards being extremely over valued, and the site was in vogue again for a few days.
 
Yea I have won with 5 supports against a team of mostly Carries. We were cruising through the match but towards the end their Viper got really beefy and we couldn't kill him without rolling as 5.
 
Hi, this thread is so long to read that I was just curious what the general consensus about DOTA II is. Better then LOL or the original?

Also, if anyone has a spare key, I would appreciate it. :)
 
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