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Kunka Torrent and Ship are definitely skill shots. I mean getting a blinking hero with Torrent is the most satisfying feeling in Dota, almost as much as landing a 5s Arrow with Mirana. Kunka can make his skills easier to land with X marks the spot but they are still skill shots.

Witch Doctor's Malefice (curses ground) is also a skilled shot, I see so many people miss it still including myself.

Lich ulti is debatable if it's a skill shot.
 
Dahbomb said:
Kunka Torrent and Ship are definitely skill shots. I mean getting a blinking hero with Torrent is the most satisfying feeling in Dota, almost as much as landing a 5s Arrow with Mirana. Kunka can make his skills easier to land with X marks the spot but they are still skill shots.

Witch Doctor's Malefice (curses ground) is also a skilled shot, I see so many people miss it still including myself.

Lich ulti is debatable if it's a skill shot.
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I didn't include Kunkka as he was mentioned just before, I will though. I also didn't list malefice but I should.
 
Holy shit, just had an extremely fun game that sadly ended up as a loss mostly due lack of carrying. Perma 5-man DotA pretty much!
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http://dotabuff.com/matches/142343360
Sockshka KotL, aL.unicornxoxo drow, funzii magnus

Also, proof that KotL is a better carry than Drow
 
Vol5 said:
I'm having some real doubts about this game. I'm assuming it's because I'm stuck with n00bs or new people (I'm only lvl 3 with a pathetic win / loss ratio), I don't know, but there's ALWAYS a riki, ALWAYS a drow and it's fucking doing my head in. It's like a broken record. Their riki get's to level 6 then takes off, drow up's her agility early and literally devastates and my team (and probably me included) have no way to subdue. This happens pretty much EVERY game now and it's becoming a fucking ball ache. It's frustrating as hell. Just played a game and it went 45 minutes. 4 kills to their 85. 4 KILLS TO THEIR 85.

It wasn't like this when I first started out. It was actually fun. Not so sure anymore. It's starting to feel cheap.

/vent
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Drow can be tricky, you need to co-ordinate enough to keep her down. Riki...is easier to deal with. If you have the chance, pick Slardar or Bounty Hunter if you see them take Riki, Slar and BH's Ults are low cooldown, low mana, and if you hit Riki with them he's stuck visible for like 20 seconds. Without his visibility he's made of glass. If you can't counterpick, get a tanky hero to buy a Gem of True Sight and start sticking together as a team. Again, when you can see him he goes down easy.
 
I think this game to be real big on some countries, need to have a way to play them easily in Internet Café.

No one wants to use their Steam account on a public computer. CS 1.6/Source was huge since it was easily playable without using Steam; I see many people playing LoL when I have to use a public computer.
 
Sgt.Pepper said:
I think this game to be real big on some countries, need to have a way to play them easily in Internet Café.

No one wants to use their Steam account on a public computer. CS 1.6/Source was huge since it was easily playable without using Steam; I see many people playing LoL when I have to use a public computer.
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You could just make a new Steam account to play it on a cafe, I don't really see a problem there.
 
FieryBalrog said:
And also because you're doing the team's chores, that's basically your responsibility by definition

obviously, there are some people in this thread who really like doing the dishes and vacuuming
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I just read this post, sorry but if you have no appreciation for what good support play entails I would ask you not to pass judgement on it, or even discuss it.
 
Vol5 said:
I'm having some real doubts about this game. I'm assuming it's because I'm stuck with n00bs or new people (I'm only lvl 3 with a pathetic win / loss ratio), I don't know, but there's ALWAYS a riki, ALWAYS a drow and it's fucking doing my head in. It's like a broken record. Their riki get's to level 6 then takes off, drow up's her agility early and literally devastates and my team (and probably me included) have no way to subdue. This happens pretty much EVERY game now and it's becoming a fucking ball ache. It's frustrating as hell. Just played a game and it went 45 minutes. 4 kills to their 85. 4 KILLS TO THEIR 85.

It wasn't like this when I first started out. It was actually fun. Not so sure anymore. It's starting to feel cheap.

/vent
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Change the game mode from All Pick to Single Draft/Random Draft/All Random

All Pick is a cluster fuck of cancer. Its always the same shitty picks

Drow
Riki
Cancer Lance
KotL
Pudge
Sniper

Really ruins the game when its the same shit all the time
 
Acinixys said:
Change the game mode from All Pick to Single Draft/Random Draft/All Random

All Pick is a cluster fuck of cancer. Its always the same shitty picks

Drow
Riki
Cancer Lance
KotL
Pudge
Sniper

Really ruins the game when its the same shit all the time
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whatchu got against sniper bro
 
Technosteve said:
MKB on gyro instead of butterfly?
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I'm just guessing that it's a bettter choice against blinding light (when bkb goes down) and drow if she eventually goes butterfly (and if not, it's good that it forces her away from picking that up).
Not that it matters when you're out of position all the time :p
Artanisix said:
whatchu got against sniper bro
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Cause he's OP. I think he's like 100% in competitive games this week (or was it last week).
 
Procarbine said:
Going to go through the list of dota heroes and name skill shots here. Keep in mind I will NOT be listing targeted aoe stuns (sven, alc, etc) even though those could be considered to have skill shot elements in order to make them better.

Beastmaster: axes
Earthshaker: fissure, could argue echo
Tiny: Stun, could argue toss because of all you can do with it
Tauren Chieftan: everything
Wisp: orbs
Clockwerk: Cogs, grapple, could argue rocket but that's pretty easy to make basic use of
Going to pass on phoenix because I haven't played him, but i think there are things here.
Tusk: Ice wall
Shredder: Tree Grapple, Kind of his aoe because of tree req
Pit Lord: Pit
Pudge: Hook
Mag: Could argue everything, but I'll only list shockwave
Sand King: Stun
Jugg: could argue omni to optimize it, but I'll pass
Luna: Same as above
Mirana: Arrow
Troll: Ranged axes
Gyro: Could argue ulti
Drow: Silence
Nyx: Could argue stun, but it is single target targettable
SF: Raze
Veno: Gale
Meepo: Net
Razor: Static Field
Slark: Leap, sort of
Void: Chrono
Puck: Orb
Kotl: As above, blast
Lina: Stun
WR: Shackle
Disruptor: Kinetic Field
Techies: lol
Jakiro: Kind of everything
Shadow Shaman: Wards if you count ward trapping
Rubick: Can steal any spell, so possibly anything
DS: Kind of vac
DP: Silence
Lion: Stun
Enigma: Black Hole
Qop: Kind of ultimate
Shadow Demon: Soul Catcher
Batrider: Flamebreak
Invoker: Invoker
Leschrac: Stun
AA: Ultimate
Winter Wyvern: Haven't played but his w seems hard

Welp that's a lot of skill shots.

EDIT: With regard to the garbage PCGamer article, the moment I read the dota guy call heroes champions I laughed and stopped reading.
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You have an odd definition of skillshot, especially because this comes out of comparison with LOL; in that point of reference, anything ground targeted (that isn't a constant aoe like sniper's shrapnel, though I think you could even argue for those, or instant on a point) is a skillshot because anything ground targeted can be cast to hit enemies in fog of war or that are invis.

Also you missed Kunkka's Torrent and Ship (which is probably the hardest "skillshot" in the game) Shadow Demon's poison, DP swarm, Spectre dagger, Dragon Knight flame breath, Magnus's skewer (which is a lot harder to hit than shockwave), VS howl, Pugna blast, Morphling wave, Furion trees, Lina dragon slave, everything on phoenix, WD malefice, windrunner powershot, weaver swarm.

I would also argue for positioning based skills like Mirana's Leap, and Templar Asassin's blades. (you already have Razes and Slark pounce)

I also looked on the league wiki out of curiosity and they list something called "proximity self-targeting" under skillshots which means pretty much any aoe targeted around yourself that is non-constant;
Stuns: Centaur, Slardar, Tide, Magnus, Earthshaker, Clockwerk, Axe, Visage Familiars. Non-stunning damage spells: Tinker missles, Skywrath concussive shot, Gyro barrage, leshrac edict, tide anchor, bristleback quills, naga riptide, Meepo Poof, Brew slam, Spirit breaker charge, shadow fiend ult, QOP scream, Necro pulse, CM ult, troll axes, Puck silence, ursa shock, everything timbersaw.
No damage spells: Omni ult, Naga sleep

Lastly, I would argue anything targeted with an aoe component at the end of its targeted range should count as well, so sven, alch, disruptor, witch doctor, Lich ult, treant seed, and omni heal.
 
n0b said:
You have an odd definition of skillshot, especially because this comes out of comparison with LOL; in that point of reference, anything ground targeted (that isn't a constant aoe like sniper's shrapnel, though I think you could even argue for those, or instant on a point) is a skillshot because anything ground targeted can be cast to hit enemies in fog of war or that are invis.

Also you missed Kunkka's Torrent and Ship (which is probably the hardest "skillshot" in the game) Shadow Demon's poison, DP swarm, Spectre dagger, Dragon Knight flame breath, Magnus's skewer (which is a lot harder to hit than shockwave), VS howl, Pugna blast, Morphling wave, Furion trees, Lina dragon slave, everything on phoenix, WD malefice, windrunner powershot, weaver swarm.

I would also argue for positioning based skills like Mirana's Leap, and Templar Asassin's blades. (you already have Razes and Slark pounce)

I also looked on the league wiki out of curiosity and they list something called "proximity self-targeting" under skillshots which means pretty much any aoe targeted around yourself that is non-constant;
Stuns: Centaur, Slardar, Tide, Magnus, Earthshaker, Clockwerk, Axe, Visage Familiars. Non-stunning damage spells: Tinker missles, Skywrath concussive shot, Gyro barrage, leshrac edict, tide anchor, bristleback quills, naga riptide, Meepo Poof, Brew slam, Spirit breaker charge, shadow fiend ult, QOP scream, Necro pulse, CM ult, troll axes, Puck silence, ursa shock, everything timbersaw.
No damage spells: Omni ult, Naga sleep

Lastly, I would argue anything targeted with an aoe component at the end of its targeted range should count as well, so sven, alch, disruptor, witch doctor, Lich ult, treant seed, and omni heal.
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Ok so autoattack is skillsh0t b/c u haf to hit it and kill crep when crep is low hp take skill becaz i take last hit and enemy is mad bec he dosnt get exp and i laff and my champion saize somesing funny.
 
LoL is more skill based because you have to constantly use skills, its easier for people with high APM skills but for low caste people its harder and we suffer so Dota 2 is best, easier then HoN and LoL, harder games.
 
n0b said:
You have an odd definition of skillshot, especially because this comes out of comparison with LOL; in that point of reference, anything ground targeted (that isn't a constant aoe like sniper's shrapnel, though I think you could even argue for those, or instant on a point) is a skillshot because anything ground targeted can be cast to hit enemies in fog of war or that are invis.

Also you missed Kunkka's Torrent and Ship (which is probably the hardest "skillshot" in the game) Shadow Demon's poison, DP swarm, Spectre dagger, Dragon Knight flame breath, Magnus's skewer (which is a lot harder to hit than shockwave), VS howl, Pugna blast, Morphling wave, Furion trees, Lina dragon slave, everything on phoenix, WD malefice, windrunner powershot, weaver swarm.

I would also argue for positioning based skills like Mirana's Leap, and Templar Asassin's blades. (you already have Razes and Slark pounce)

I also looked on the league wiki out of curiosity and they list something called "proximity self-targeting" under skillshots which means pretty much any aoe targeted around yourself that is non-constant;
Stuns: Centaur, Slardar, Tide, Magnus, Earthshaker, Clockwerk, Axe, Visage Familiars. Non-stunning damage spells: Tinker missles, Skywrath concussive shot, Gyro barrage, leshrac edict, tide anchor, bristleback quills, naga riptide, Meepo Poof, Brew slam, Spirit breaker charge, shadow fiend ult, QOP scream, Necro pulse, CM ult, troll axes, Puck silence, ursa shock, everything timbersaw.
No damage spells: Omni ult, Naga sleep

Lastly, I would argue anything targeted with an aoe component at the end of its targeted range should count as well, so sven, alch, disruptor, witch doctor, Lich ult, treant seed, and omni heal.
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EVERYTHING IS A SKILLSHOT. I'd also add Presence of the Dark Lord because you have to be in range for it to affect the enemy heroes. Radiance can also fit in skillshot territory because you have to strategically turn it off in certain situations and you also have to be within range of heroes.

Edit: add am/qop blink to the list too
 
Every time I see someone on the opposing team pick Huskar, I'm immediately tempted to go Axe or Necro, depending on if they fit in the lineup. Axe I'm always hesitant to pick in any situation where the enemy team has 3+ ranged. 3+ melee and it's probably a good choice.
 
Vol5 said:
I'm having some real doubts about this game. I'm assuming it's because I'm stuck with n00bs or new people (I'm only lvl 3 with a pathetic win / loss ratio), I don't know, but there's ALWAYS a riki, ALWAYS a drow and it's fucking doing my head in. It's like a broken record. Their riki get's to level 6 then takes off, drow up's her agility early and literally devastates and my team (and probably me included) have no way to subdue. This happens pretty much EVERY game now and it's becoming a fucking ball ache. It's frustrating as hell. Just played a game and it went 45 minutes. 4 kills to their 85. 4 KILLS TO THEIR 85.

It wasn't like this when I first started out. It was actually fun. Not so sure anymore. It's starting to feel cheap.

/vent
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Level doesn't mean anything. I could have played 1000 games before they added levels come back today and I'd be level one.

At this rate, I almost wish they'd just keep the exp bar but remove the level because alot of new players seem to confuse it for a way to gauge skill.
 
1.09 said:
Ok so autoattack is skillsh0t b/c u haf to hit it and kill crep when crep is low hp take skill becaz i take last hit and enemy is mad bec he dosnt get exp and i laff and my champion saize somesing funny.
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OH OH ALSO LOL GUISE R NUBS BECUS SO WUT IF DOTA HAS LES SKIELSHUTS DOTA HAS MOER SKILL-DODGE BECUS U FOG TEH EMENIE ADN U MANTA SPLIT OR GO INVIS OR TRANSFOERM OR BLINK. TEH NEWBIES IN LOL JUS HAVE FLASH AN DAS IT.

League overplays the significance of skillshots, so I am just judging dota skills in the same light; basically anything that isn't targeted on heroes and can be dodged/missed through positioning is called a skillshot by league players.

If you want to talk about "abilities that take skill" you remove about half of lol's skillshots and the numbers look exactly the same. YOU GOTTA TALK IGNANT WHEN THE SUBJECT IS IGNANT.
 
n0b said:
OH OH ALSO LOL GUISE R NUBS BECUS SO WUT IF DOTA HAS LES SKIELSHUTS DOTA HAS MOER SKILL-DODGE BECUS U FOG TEH EMENIE ADN U MANTA SPLIT OR GO INVIS OR TRANSFOERM OR BLINK. TEH NEWBIES IN LOL JUS HAVE FLASH AN DAS IT.

League overplays the significance of skillshots, so I am just judging dota skills in the same light; basically anything that isn't targeted on heroes and can be dodged/missed through positioning is called a skillshot by league players.

If you want to talk about "abilities that take skill" you remove about half of lol's skillshots and the numbers look exactly the same. YOU GOTTA TALK IGNANT WHEN THE SUBJECT IS IGNANT.
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shut up already.
 
I'm beginning to really like shadow blade on WR. Easy shackle setups, even more escape, more contribution to your ult. Shadowing into the jungle, finding someone farming, and then popping them for bonus dmg into shackle into power shot and/or ult is just great. Still feels a bit indulgent and not necessarily optimal at times though. Any idea if this is a remotely viable idea or just greedy?
 
Every now and then I hear people complaining about having yet to receive a particular chest. About 50% of the time I get a chest, I have 6 chests of crystalline chaos or whatever, I will trade these for common items no matter how shitty they are, I just want them off my hands.
 
traveler said:
I'm beginning to really like shadow blade on WR. Easy shackle setups, even more escape, more contribution to your ult. Shadowing into the jungle, finding someone farming, and then popping them for bonus dmg into shackle into power shot and/or ult is just great. Still feels a bit indulgent and not necessarily optimal at times though. Any idea if this is a remotely viable idea or just greedy?
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SB is fine on wr. Honestly, SB is fine on alot of heroes in pubs. Item's ownage.
 
Deadly said:
Level doesn't mean anything. I could have played 1000 games before they added levels come back today and I'd be level one.

At this rate, I almost wish they'd just keep the exp bar but remove the level because alot of new players seem to confuse it for a way to gauge skill.
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Yeah, your right. I'm not judging my skill against the level, but my experience would be up a hell of a lot more if I could win more games. It feels that my game at the moment is spent dealing with individuals (namely Riki and Drow) almost exclusively instead of enjoying the game as a whole.

As someone else mentioned trying single draft opens up the game. Just won playing Bane. Didn't like him personally, but it's a win nonetheless.
 
Was like a level 23 Weaver with Linkens/Butterfly/MKB. Went to do rosh by myself. My team was fighting and Zeus ulted, putting me super low and then Roshan bashed me to death in 1 hit...
 
BeEatNU said:
Is there a Dota trade place like TF2?

if so can someone please point me in the right direction!
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http://www.dota2lounge.com/

Not only does it let you trade items it also lets you gamble items on pro matches if you are so inclined.

Schweinehund said:
When you're that farmed yeah. Weaver is one of the best scaling carries with geminate, especially when you stack attack damage. Give weaver a whirl sometime, he's an underpicked carry that can actually do a bit without that much farm.
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The cheap (non-Radiance) Weaver build is Aquila > Medallion > damage items, right?
 
Technosteve said:
weaver can solo rosh? the fuck?
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Not the easiest hero to do it with but when you're in the 20's and have some good items you can like others said. I did it again later and I got some lucky miss chances out of Rosh, Weaver still has very low hp even when farmed. (Unless you buy a heart or something)
 
Acinixys said:
Change the game mode from All Pick to Single Draft/Random Draft/All Random

All Pick is a cluster fuck of cancer. Its always the same shitty picks

Drow
Riki
Cancer Lance
KotL
Pudge
Sniper

Really ruins the game when its the same shit all the time
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People not going to buy hats if you can't Allpick her/him
 
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