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Dota 2 Beta Thread 4: Even Mike Ross Plays [Elder Titan]
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BrLvgThrChmstry
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Again, how did you avoid this until now? ...very lucky one indeed.
Fixed that for you.
At least you had opponents that stood still...
I recently had a match up with Puck, Riki, Slark, Anti-Mage and Queen of Pain.
We had no disables so anytime we tried to pick them off they would escape...and/or appear out of no where picking us all off...
The worst game I've ever had probably but also one I appreciate the most for showing me the power of a well co-ordinated team...
Dreams-Visions
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*chuckles*
We're it so simple, none of us would have stories.
Should have taught you the value of AOE disables and stuns.
Sorry I want to play a team game with friends.
Yeah the drow nerf seems a bit silly. Basically makes it so she has no ult in most team fights, which turns her into a split push hero with no escapes or a 'hide in the back until the team fight is half over then mop up' hero.
It's not even that it makes her less powerful, it just makes her play style more boring and passive.
The tranquil nerf isn't really all that bad to my eyes. The OP thing about tranquils IMO has always been that the heal isn't removed by creep damage. As long as this isn't changed and the heal is still roughly the same effectiveness I'll still be building it.
It's not even that it makes her less powerful, it just makes her play style more boring and passive.
The tranquil nerf isn't really all that bad to my eyes. The OP thing about tranquils IMO has always been that the heal isn't removed by creep damage. As long as this isn't changed and the heal is still roughly the same effectiveness I'll still be building it.
Fixed that for you also.
Dreams-Visions
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No, she's less powerful and now more fragile and gimmicky. Any hero with a blink dagger ruins her if they focus her. This is the least reasonable way to make her more "interesting". Force her to try to stand at the fringe of fights in order to not suck.
Again, why choose her over Sniper now if winning is the only goal? He's an objectively better carry than Drow vers. 3.0. Drow 1.0 was better than this new Drow coming soon.
Just buy an invite for 2 cents or visit the Dota 2 invite thread and ask for an invite.
Edit: Or do the Dota Bot thing.
Dreams-Visions
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Everyone here has a number of extra invites. Send him our way.
Edit: beaten like a rented mule
It did indeed. When I go into a match now I think a lot more about the composition and try to fill in the gaps.
I can't wait for my first post nerf Venge swap with Drow. She's now the target numero uno in that situation.
They're pretty much Russian too.
I got like 14 invites. Add me on Steam. Mr_Affluenza.
Imp the Dimp
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Nerf of Drow is pretty fucking drastic. I can live with the fact that a simplistic as fuck to play hero gets relegated to shit tier though. Hell, a blink dagger absultely wrecks her.
Lifestealer next please. And also buff Invoker so that playing him gets more rewarding.
Lifestealer next please. And also buff Invoker so that playing him gets more rewarding.
CarbonatedFalcon
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Clearly you guys aren't seeing the big picture. This is a huge buff to Force Staff and Atos on Drow.
Dreams-Visions
Member
Well that's for damn sure. SB and Force Staff confirmed core.
more like a combo between ashe's arrow and ashe's arrow
maybe her passive should reduce her turning speed with each rank, making her the ultimate kiter
Why wasn't she before?
Sniper is just as exposed as Drow any version? Sniper doesn't have a ridiculously strong pushing aura?
I really don't think this Drow nerf is that big a deal. Her positioning was already make or break. She's strong in the same situation she was before, she's weak in the same situations she was before.
Head of Vengarl
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After that CK game I retreated back into the trench, where I've been solidifying my last-hitting and positioning in the company of Brazilians, Russians, and LoL/HoNtrash converts. In this cesspit of rage-quitters and feeders, I can feel my basics improving ever so steadily.
By the time I claw my way out of low MMR, you won't even know what hit you.
Because she never got squishy enough even when in the middle of everyone. Every time I swapped Drow in Pubs someone inevitably yelled at me for getting them killed. *lol* I learned pretty quickly to swap utility guys that go down quick.
Dreams-Visions
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I disagree. Sniper's range is about 40% farther than Drow's, he hits just as hard and just as fast from near or far (like any real fucking carry), and his headshot is good all game long. Oh yea, and his ult can tag your ass from 3,000.
This would be like...Icefraud removing headshot based on proximity.
Sniper is an objectively better range carry than Drow as of this patch.
no, now she's worthless in situations she was weakened in before. the difference is pretty clear. Her damage output is halved or more, depending on level and items.
whens the patch? gotta get my drow games in
Dreams-Visions
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I'd expect it to hit Dota2 on Thursday but sooner is possible.
that's going to be relegated to a team fight skill more than anything. The days of "SB up and go hunting" are about to end because of how unsafe it is early/mid game.
edit: I'm probably over-reacting. I'm just irritated at how silly this nerf is. Again, if the goal is to make her reasonable for CM...this isn't getting her any closer to that goal. New Drow is objectively weaker than pre-buff Drow from this time last year. Or, an objectively less reliable source of damage output, making her an unacceptable selection as a carry. And again, she was buffed in the first place because she was perceived as too fucking weak for CM play at high levels. These are backward steps from Icefrog.
Green Biker Dude
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drow nerf was well deserved. even though i haven't played against or with that hero often lately, it was way too good. she could hit like a truck without any items, and unlike a hero like ursa, she doesn't even have to get up close. fuck. that. hero
now nerf centaur, kotl (more), nyx (more) and pl. and buff ogre magi, dazzle and doom pls
now nerf centaur, kotl (more), nyx (more) and pl. and buff ogre magi, dazzle and doom pls
Pureauthor
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Centaur already got his Ult beaten in with a giant nerf stick. He's fine.
And so is PL.
And so is PL.
Dreams-Visions
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she needed a nerf, but not this nerf. she could *always* hit like a truck and will continue to do so. this patch doesn't change that unless you're brave enough to get closer to her as she tries to kite you. if you're a melee without a blink dagger or force staff and are caught off guard, you're fucked no matter what once level 4 frost arrows are up and running.
what Drow needs is a complete rework of her ult. It needs to be something else entirely. Having a "phantom passive" that can magically give/remove a significant amount of her AS and damage makes her too unreliable a source of damage at all phases of the game, imo. I'm sure Icefrog will think of something...but this makes her worse than pre-buff Drow. Then again, he ult has gone through numerous revisions dating back to Dota1 days, so idk.
CarbonatedFalcon
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Man, Slark is like a really shitty Riki. Have yet to win a game with him.
Also, Kunkka has to be one of the worst people to lane against, especially as a melee. There's pretty much no way to win with the free Tidebringer harass. And if you don't take the hit from it, it means you're being zoned out of XP and last hits until it pushes to your tower (under which he can still harass you.)
Also, Kunkka has to be one of the worst people to lane against, especially as a melee. There's pretty much no way to win with the free Tidebringer harass. And if you don't take the hit from it, it means you're being zoned out of XP and last hits until it pushes to your tower (under which he can still harass you.)
Schweinehund
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I really want to see the win rates for people who jungle doom.
I think its my most hated position + hero combination anyone can ever do. Maybe jungle axe is worst.
I think its my most hated position + hero combination anyone can ever do. Maybe jungle axe is worst.
After that CK game I retreated back into the trench, where I've been solidifying my last-hitting and positioning in the company of Brazilians, Russians, and LoL/HoNtrash converts. In this cesspit of rage-quitters and feeders, I can feel my basics improving ever so steadily.
By the time I claw my way out of low MMR, you won't even know what hit you.
Or you could keep playing with us. Where did you go? D:
PillowKnight
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As opposed to the amazing lane doom? I have like 80% winrate with jungle doom, but I play him as a semi-support.
i c wut u did thar
Can be either depending on the lineup you're against.
Very situational pick. Don't even bother choosing her if someone on the other team has a Sand King, Tidehunter or ES.
Ok so what does this exchange:
mean?
oh i see, thanks archie
so who is a good long lane soloer?
I suppose because they explode your spiders?
Depends if you feed the spiders, they give TONS of gold now after the most recent change to brood.
Bounter Hunter, Dark Seer, Windrunner, and Lone Druid
Dark Seer
Windrunner
Beastmaster
Magnus
Weaver
Clinkz
Clockwerk
Are some of the better ones.
Basically anyone with an efficient escape and a hero that is more level dependent than item dependent.
wakajawaka
Member
Yeah, losing the spiderlings is not that bad, feeding lots of gold to the enemy is :/
I wish she had not been nerfed, loved watching pros doing offlane with her.
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