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? Skywrath mage owns mid.

#fuckinsomnia

Yeah! totally took me a while to get used to spamming Q to get last hits and to harass Just too good. Defo needs that rod asap and bloodstone though. So little health.

EDIT: I played mid on hard, and got 3 branches, 2 clarities and 2 stacks of tangoes. I had bottle really early and that helped my mana regen until I got arcanes. After that I rushed orchid which I dont think was very smart, as I should have gotten atos first for the HP. But Orchid really helped me with my mana regen and I didn't even feel the need to use my arcanes as much so I was in the process of dismantling them for a bloodstone. Anyway he's awesome I a really enjoyed playing him :D

HUrry up and make him available for items plx valveo
 
Yeah! totally took me a while to get used to spamming Q to get last hits and to harass Just too good. Defo needs that rod asap and bloodstone though. So little health.

EDIT: I played mid on hard, and got 3 branches, 2 clarities and 2 stacks of tangoes. I had bottle really early and that helped my mana regen until I got arcanes. After that I rushed orchid which I dont think was very smart, as I should have gotten atos first for the HP. But Orchid really helped me with my mana regen and I didn't even feel the need to use my arcanes as much so I was in the process of dismantling them for a bloodstone. Anyway he's awesome I a really enjoyed playing him :D

HUrry up and make him available for items plx valveo

Why Orchid, he has a build in silence haha. I just rushed Bloodstone and went for Atos for manas. Though I guess the amp damage works out nice for all his nukes.
 
So who is a good counter for Skywrath? I hear he's extra squishy, but I want to be prepared for when he is in every game tomorrow.

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Anyone that does damage really. So squishy..

Everyone does damage though.

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Hmm
 
Pugna is probably the hardest counter to skywrath, skywrath has shy of 1,000 health at 16, and his ult costs an absurd amount of mana, so pugna's ward can actually one shot skywrath if he doesn't have sufficient health items. Even after skywrath ults he has to spam spells, so skywrath is pretty much useless against pugna unless you can kill the ward or farm up a bkb.

The more common counter and probably the reason you'll never see skywrath in pubs after the first few days is nyx. He is nyx food. Low health, high int, no escape, not to mention nyx could probably trade with him in mid.
 
It looks like Valve is going to implement some sort of Guild System. Wonder how that is going to work.

Edit: Damn you Archie Bunker!
 
So this just happened.

I don't even know what's worse, double crystalis Drow, lifesteal crystalis Tide or double boots Lina.

TWO BOOTS FOR TWO FEET!

Death Prophet: "I'm gonna build a Bloodstone, let me finish Perserverence and.....FUCK IT SHEEPSTICK!"

How does Naga Siren have no farm after 33 minutes with the least amount of deaths on her team? What was she doing all game?

I don't understand this stupid trench double Crystalys Drow trend. I've seen it a couple of times before, and I don't understand why people don't get that these crits are calculated independently. Two Crystalys does NOT get you 40% crit chance, and it does not get you two crits on one hit either!
 
So this just happened.

I don't even know what's worse, double crystalis Drow, lifesteal crystalis Tide or double boots Lina.

Double crystalis: just gives you better chances for a crit, actually works. Would be better off upgrading to daedalus though.

Double boots: i sometimes do that when i switch from my regular boots to boots of travel late game, just buy them seperately, and when they're done and you have them, sell the others, looking at lina's money she had well enough to buy them.

Crystalis + lifesteal tide however baffles me. Trench indeed.
 
Double crystalis: just gives you better chances for a crit, actually works. Would be better off upgrading to daedalus though.

Double boots: i sometimes do that when i switch from my regular boots to boots of travel late game, just buy them seperately, and when they're done and you have them, sell the others, looking at lina's money she had well enough to buy them.

Crystalis + lifesteal tide however baffles me. Trench indeed.

But it doesn't work how everyone thinks it does. Think of it like this.

You have a 20% chance to crit

That one fails

Now you have a 20% chance to crit.

If EITHER one procs, you only get that crit, you have a ZERO percent chance for both.

Yes, you are better off saving the cash and getting a Daedalus. Besides, that opens another item slot to have some other utility item there. In that game, a Manta, BKB, you have a lot of choices.
 
How does Naga Siren have no farm after 33 minutes with the least amount of deaths on her team? What was she doing all game?

I have no idea. At one point she found me way out of position and somehow managed to not kill me. I had Mek and Force Staff, but still. AFAIR she even used her ulti for positioning.

Regarding Crystalis, so the crit probabilities do somewhat stack? That makes it a little less dumb, still a huge waste of gold imo.

Double boots: i sometimes do that when i switch from my regular boots to boots of travel late game, just buy them seperately, and when they're done and you have them, sell the others, looking at lina's money she had well enough to buy them.
Don't you lose like 200g doing it that way instead of just buying the recipe and disassembling the arcanes?
 
I have no idea. At one point she found me way out of position and somehow managed to not kill me. I had Mek and Force Staff, but still. AFAIR she even used her ulti for positioning.

Regarding Crystalis, so the crit probabilities do somewhat stack? That makes it a little less dumb, still a huge waste of gold imo.

That would be why she didn't kill you, plus she had no farm, which meant no damage, which meant she ain't killing you any time soon. Her illusions are doing fuck all with no items.

Yeah, like I said above, that's how the Crystalys "stacks" but there are no additive properties of it to the other one. They are calculated independently. Another example to compare it to is Butterfly on Faceless Void. Evasion doesn't stack, but Backtrack is not Evasion, just a special passive skill, so it's technically possible to backtrack and evade a physical attack, but obviously having both proc is pointless. It's just good to have the extra chance with the Butterfly, plus the Agility and AS gains are awesome on it. Also Backtrack doesn't need another item slot.
 
But it doesn't work how everyone thinks it does. Think of it like this.

You have a 20% chance to crit

That one fails

Now you have a 20% chance to crit.

If EITHER one procs, you only get that crit, you have a ZERO percent chance for both.

Yes, you are better off saving the cash and getting a Daedalus. Besides, that opens another item slot to have some other utility item there. In that game, a Manta, BKB, you have a lot of choices.

Yeah but valve has antifun built into procs.
You have a slightly higher % chance to hit a proc if you missed one the previous turn
Much lower % chance to proc consecutively
 
I had a Luna who skilled Aura and Glaives till level 8, and then took stats till lvl 12, and only then started skilling stun. Get into the trench son

I know this feel. This monitor-throwing-out-window feel.

Yeah but valve has antifun built into procs.
You have a slightly higher % chance to hit a proc if you missed one the previous turn
Much lower % chance to proc consecutively

I still have a hard time justifying the cost and item slot. 2150 gold can be put toward a billion other things, like a BKB, Manta, MKB, Butterfly, the list goes on.
 
I had a Luna who skilled Aura and Glaives till level 8, and then took stats till lvl 12, and only then started skilling stun. Get into the trench son

Sounds like the HoN build from what I've heard other people say as her ult isn't dependent on Beam's level. You don't level Beam for the stun per say... but yeah, not the usual build.


I think some pro player did that when they had access to free farm. It did increase his gpm by a good amount but it's extremely risky and not really worth it for solo queue AP.

AM can do a similar build where they put 1/4/1 and then max stats, getting mana burn up when they get their manta style.

Shieeeet... it's all about that 1/1/1 build and stats. That's what 1.09 taught me.
 
I had a Luna who skilled Aura and Glaives till level 8, and then took stats till lvl 12, and only then started skilling stun. Get into the trench son

I think some pro player did that when they had access to free farm. It did increase his gpm by a good amount but it's extremely risky and not really worth it for solo queue AP.

AM can do a similar build where they put 1/4/1 and then max stats, getting mana burn up when they get their manta style.

edit: Yeah the hon situation is probably more appropriate. Moon queen has highest win rate hero in HON right now, so no doubt some hon players try to copy that build onto luna.
 
I still have a hard time justifying the cost and item slot. 2150 gold can be put toward a billion other things, like a BKB, Manta, MKB, Butterfly, the list goes on.
Yar, I haven't run the numbers, but my gut tells me that investing in damage or attack speed would be the better means to making your crit proc more cost effective (and upgrading the proc chance and damage multiplier with Daedalus, of course).
 
Yar, I haven't run the numbers, but my gut tells me that investing in damage or attack speed would be the better means to making your crit proc more cost effective (and upgrading the proc chance and damage multiplier with Daedalus, of course).

I would think this is worth more than two Crystalys ever could be. Assuming the PRNG works that way, then you want to get out as many attacks as possible for crit chances.
 
Don't you lose like 200g doing it that way instead of just buying the recipe and disassembling the arcanes?

Probably yes. But I can't be bothered figuring out if my boots CAN be disassembled, then picking up each piece and selling it. I'd rather just buy em quickly and get back in the action.

Furthermore, about 75% of the times i get boots of travel, I buy them in the enemy's fountain, no time to disassemble there.
 
I had a Luna who skilled Aura and Glaives till level 8, and then took stats till lvl 12, and only then started skilling stun. Get into the trench son
It's a build that works well provided enough disables on the team. Seen Sing do it a few times in pubs (never competitively) and stomped.
 
When I get three in a row on the Shopkeepers Quiz while I'm matchmaking I say out loud in a deep voice "Answering Spree!"

Should I be concerned?

If you voice deepens yes.

Who are the original announcers and mega kill voice actors? That would be pretty trippy to have a conversation with them or hear them talk casually

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