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Dota 2 Beta Thread 4: Even Mike Ross Plays [Elder Titan]

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There are three possible cases I can see:

A) The person legitimately did not do anything bad and is being unfairly punished, in which case the inability to speak is nothing but a detriment to the rest of his team's ability to play the game.

B) The person does indeed deserve a punishment for being an unpleasant, foul mouthed individual. In which case why would we want to play with him at all? LPQ exists for a reason. Now instead others are stuck playing with an angry ass, only it's a mute angry ass, when previously he'd have been sent down to LPQ.

C) He's a fringe case and normally wouldn't rage/insult enough to warrant anything, but it went wrong this once. If he's a pleasant enough player normally, see A).

In no case whatsoever is having a teammate unable to communicate at all a positive change from the previous report system. If you find that someone is being an asshole, the mute button takes less than 2 seconds to hit, and you could use a report to send him to LPQ instead of letting him continue to queue.

If I wanted to play devil's advocate here, I would argue that sometimes generally good players, start shittalking other newer players for bad decisions.
A communication ban means that they can still continue playing with other players, but they will think twice about shittalking them next time.
 
There are three possible cases I can see:

A) The person legitimately did not do anything bad and is being unfairly punished, in which case the inability to speak is nothing but a detriment to the rest of his team's ability to play the game.

B) The person does indeed deserve a punishment for being an unpleasant, foul mouthed individual. In which case why would we want to play with him at all? LPQ exists for a reason. Now instead others are stuck playing with an angry ass, only it's a mute angry ass, when previously he'd have been sent down to LPQ.

C) He's a fringe case and normally wouldn't rage/insult enough to warrant anything, but it went wrong this once. If he's a pleasant enough player normally, see A).

In no case whatsoever is having a teammate unable to communicate at all a positive change from the previous report system. If you find that someone is being an asshole, the mute button takes less than 2 seconds to hit, and you could use a report to send him to LPQ instead of letting him continue to queue.
You don't need to communicate to succeed in pub play, in fact, oftentimes communication can be the reason for losing; see puppetyuber. A lot of your reasoning seems to be based on the faulty premise that communication is always a good thing.

A. is obviously awful, but we should wait to know more about how the system works. Would Valve really make the system so easy to abuse?
 
You don't need to communicate to succeed in pub play, in fact, oftentimes communication can be the reason for losing; see puppetyuber. A lot of your reasoning seems to be based on the faulty premise that communication is always a good thing.

A. is obviously awful, but we should wait to know more about how the system works. Would Valve really make the system so easy to abuse?

A chatbanned person cannot call missing. He cannot say what lane he wants at the beginning of a game. He cannot call 'B' because he spotted a hero heading up for a gank just before the hero vanished into FoW (he can ping and pray they understand what he meansm I guess.)

Do you people actually play games with zero communication often? My personal account is that I don't see that happening.
 
Imo, magnus is probably the most overpowered force in competitive play. This does not mean he can go 1vX and still win, but that he makes several other heroes completely obsolete, being the harshest case Enigma. Why pick enigma when you can get his ult, but instant alongside with a stronger laner and ganker int he form of magnus, even getting empower to boost his own allies.

I just wish RP either didn't stun, do damage, or get anyone toghether, pick 2 and remove the other dammit, I want to see more enigma, tide and SK in real matches.
 
That's unfair. There is no difference between being an asshole sore loser and just a not very good player loser. If these people are pooled together then the asshole people are just going to report the not so good players every time.

The message here is don't play our game if you are not good.
I've never seen people actually being reported for simply being bad at Dota. People will say it, but people won't actually do it unless what's happening is clear and/or extreme.

And for the record, there is a gaping difference between being bad and being an asshole. Do you need examples? I'm surprised you'd even attempt to suggest the two can't be told apart. One is doing things intentionally, being harsh, or accusing everyone for his or her failures. The other is simply failing to understand the match itself or how a given team comp needs to play to beat another team comp.

A chatbanned person cannot call missing. He cannot say what lane he wants at the beginning of a game. He cannot call 'B' because he spotted a hero heading up for a gank just before the hero vanished into FoW (he can ping and pray they understand what he meansm I guess.)

Do you people actually play games with zero communication often? My personal account is that I don't see that happening.
There are always some players that don't communicate. Have you never played with someone who doesn't speak English, for example? If not....soon. How many matches have you played? If you spend any time solo queuing at all, it will happen with some regularity.

Also, the chat wheel should be their only enabled form of communication. If they can use the chat wheel, I think that works.
 
It's possible that people have just received so many reports in the past that they're being pushed over the top with the recent changes.

Any one else but me - sure. But verbal abuse isn't something I tend to do. Also, it was confirmed that Valve doesn't check verbal reports, bans apply by themselves.
 
Warlock is cool and all but Navi beat themselves... they all played fucking terrible and that stack of creeps just didn't make sense.
 
ROXKiS have been really solid recently. Did not expect them to roll over NaVi like that though. NaVi made it really easy for them though, they just gifted them two tower on bot lane for a bit of XP for Bane and Magnus and it went downhill from there.
 
That warlock mid was pretty cool. Didn't realize how good fatal bonds is. I really think Navi screwed themselves with that weird creep pulling by the bear. RoX was able to just destroy the bottom lane with that stack of creeps.
 
I got banned from chat as well. :/

It sucks that I can't even press Y and call missing. My teammates were enraged lol because they kept getting ganked from my MIA. But I couldn't do shit to warn them.

I'm not verbally abusive, but have gotten into heated words with players that are intentionally feeding or who won't listen to the rest of the team (who were polite the entire game, and they still wouldn't listen). I guess in the future ill keep my mouth shut, not worth it.
 
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