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Dragon Ball Super |OT2| June 12: Judgment Day
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ArchedThunder
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Goku losing to Frost was karma for that.
Linkstrikesback
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I'm more surprised that the saiyans reliance on screaming louder and punching things/only plan being bigger lasers/copious use of hair dye as the only way to win or lose a fight didn't bite them in the ass sooner.
Watching the episode and scene. You can see the hole above Frost's hand in his white part and you even here the sound of a needle popping out. Like Eizo's thing from AC.
Yeah, he poisoned the Goku.
Also, how the other Saiyan didn't know of Super Saiyan. It seems like the only one with some power might be the Cell clone since nothing has phased him yet. So he may have been the one to encounter that world's Vegeta, Goku, etc. Would make sense if they've encountered Frost prior.
Yeah, he poisoned the Goku.
Also, how the other Saiyan didn't know of Super Saiyan. It seems like the only one with some power might be the Cell clone since nothing has phased him yet. So he may have been the one to encounter that world's Vegeta, Goku, etc. Would make sense if they've encountered Frost prior.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Dirty tricks? Special abilities? Weird ass characters not as strong as the main but with different ways to win?....
We dragonball!!! Aye!! No wonder they didn't add the Z to dragonball super they knew..o they knew well played toei.
We dragonball!!! Aye!! No wonder they didn't add the Z to dragonball super they knew..o they knew well played toei.
Omega Kirby
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Piccolos time to shine 
googleplex
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I'll never understand that as long as I live.
Freeza Under The Shower
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except that Frost was talking about how he needed to stop wars ( on his world? did I catch that correctly? ) and Hit seems to be drawn using old-school-Vegeta (and Cell) as a reference when he briefly pays attention, so I doubt it's all rainbows and unicorns for U6. Besides, U7 has not had real 'wars' in the same sense. Namek was hit by calamity, the Saiyans kind of blew themselves up, then got blown up again with some help from Freeza, who tends to have a habit of blowing planets he doesn't like anymore (see Namek, oh and Earth - twice) the fuck up. Any 'war' that we would know of, is either the Saiyans conquering planets (Bardok special), or planets rebelling against the remains of Freeza's former empire (RoF)
In general, U7 seems to be populated by much bigger dicks, with Beerus being king of the assholes (right under emperor Goku), and Champa being set up as lazy, both physically and intellectually, so its likely he's not as likely to blow someone up for shits and giggles. He does however, when it concerns the Super Dragon Balls (because lazy short cut, no doubt). Or rather he tells Vados to do it.
Speaking of which, it's fun to note that both Freeza and Frost restrain their energy, but for very different reasons. Freeza did it to increase agony on his victims / opponents, Frost does it to avoid it. Btw, his 'no kill' stance seems similar to Goku in the English dub of Z during the Namek saga. I know that's a load of bull since OG DB Goku had no problem wasting Tangerine (other than a lack of resulting food... ), but it might be fun to have Frost breaking bad or rather accepting that some opponents have to put down for good. Kind of shows you how merciless U7 is, with the difference between Beerus and Champa already showing in terms of their moral compass.
Speaking of merciless, is
Piccollo just going to straight-up kill Frost by drilling a hole in him? Bit late for payback for getting holed by Freeza on Namek. Also, dick move, Kami. Also no Dende around to heal him up afterwards. And only one wish left on Porunga, if that even works in neutral space.
The art took a huge dive in this episode relative to the recent ones though (just check Chi-Chi 'talking' ). That 'running' bit.. and they reused the 'blast exchange' from earlier Freeza episodes, which was kind of an 'oh no' thing for me. Thankfully it's not quite as bad as that, but it does show we are in no way safe from that shit coming back.
I kind of feel that the artists are continuously playing catch-up on this with using traced previous art, clear reference, and even doing so within the already made episodes, not just DBZ. I really wish they had more time to do it right, but I guess we'll always have the original shows.
edit: why are people using spoilertags for episodes that already aired? Since the promotional manga and anime have now apparently caught up, there's technically no reason to use spoiler tags for anything other than future episodes, right? I only watch the anime btw.
I'm curious about how strong Goku's super saiyan form is after three years on the HBTC/RoSaT. If I had to guess, I'd put it at somewhere between his previous SS2 and SS3 forms, but I really never understood the limitations of the different forms and how much stronger they can get. In the Cell saga, Vegeta coming out of the HBTC/RoSaT was way stronger in his SS form than Goku was, but they were still technically the same form.
Also, I wonder why he only used his SS1 form. He mentions saving his stronger forms for later in the tournament, but all things considered, he still has 3 more forms to go through, assuming he hasn't learned any new tricks in the past 3 years.
Also, I wonder why he only used his SS1 form. He mentions saving his stronger forms for later in the tournament, but all things considered, he still has 3 more forms to go through, assuming he hasn't learned any new tricks in the past 3 years.
The Silver
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Botamo was pretty broken though, like Goku said if that was a real fight he could've lost.
Forst deserved that win, even Goku's own friends had to start rooting for Frost.
Forst deserved that win, even Goku's own friends had to start rooting for Frost.
NeonZ
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Huh... Goku's SSJ form right now is above the original SSJ God. It was as strong as SSJ God during the Beerus battle, and that was before their training with Whis and now 3 years in the RoSaT. It's definitely above anything that was seen in Z.
ArchedThunder
Banned
This episode actually had some really good SSJ Goku shots.
But this is a tournament, not stopping a villain from killing thousands of people.
The Silver
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It's a power, a technique, part of his body, it's not cheating or even cheap. Goku had every chance to win if he wanted, he fucked up and got hit by something he didn't see coming, it was a fair loss.
Welfare
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If whatever Frost used was actually part of his biology, he didn't cheat. It's like saying Goku can't go SSJ because it multiplies his power. It might be a dirty move compared to simple punches and ki blasts, however, this series really does lack interesting techniques compared to what the main cast can do (besides Buu), and would be another thing Goku and Vegeta would have to train against.
Variety!
Variety!
ArchedThunder
Banned
Yeah it does look a bit weird because of the mouth, but the rest of the shot being well drawn makes up for it for the most part in my opinion.
The first one and the last two are might favorites by far and they are really what I want to see more of, they feel very DBZ.
Icyflamez96
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it's about time piccolo has some fun again
ArchedThunder
Banned
it's about time piccolo has some fun again
I really like this shot, I'm really excited for this week's episode. Hopefully the fight last more than half an episode.
It stopped being bad a long time ago. It's just bland and uninspired now. It's not bad.
We got bad during the FnF episodes. We can never forget.
shadowsdarknes
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I'd imagine that Goku at base form is still stronger than Piccolo by quite some margin.
If Goku = Vegeta and Vegeta in base >> Tagoma >> Piccolo, then Piccolo should be much weaker.
Even though Piccolo has trained for a few days, I can't imagine he's some majorly different.
Regardless, I'm glad to see him fight. But if Piccolo were to win by sheer strength, then I would be a bit confused. He should be much weaker than Base Goku. Unless Frost is weakened down by Goku's fight.
If Goku = Vegeta and Vegeta in base >> Tagoma >> Piccolo, then Piccolo should be much weaker.
Even though Piccolo has trained for a few days, I can't imagine he's some majorly different.
Regardless, I'm glad to see him fight. But if Piccolo were to win by sheer strength, then I would be a bit confused. He should be much weaker than Base Goku. Unless Frost is weakened down by Goku's fight.
Icyflamez96
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ArchedThunder
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We still aren't quite sure how strong final form Frost is compared to base Goku though, we also have to consider that Frost was weakened a lot by his fight with Goku. I think Piccolo has a pretty good chance of winning against Frost.
I think it'll go like this now (assuming the tournament goes to completion and isn't interrupted before the end.)
Frost VS Piccolo=Piccolo Wins
Magetta VS Piccolo=Magetta wins
Magetta VS Vegeta=Vegeta wins
Cabba VS Vegeta=Vegeta wins
Hit VS Vegeta=Hit wins
Hit VS Monaka=Hit wins.
I really like how hit isn't really bothering to watch the fights and he opened an eye briefly when Goku went SSJ but closed it pretty quickly, seemingly still uninterested. I think the dude is going to be incredibly powerful.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Place your bets... will piccolo hit him with that special beam?
Will frost need a senzu bean?
Find out next time...
Will frost need a senzu bean?
Find out next time...
In terms of sheer strength, Piccolo is possibly the weakest on the team, but he is a master of tactics and techniques. The first two battles in this tournament have been decided by technique/planning in the end, not by sheer strength; It will be interesting to see if this series goes back to more technique based fighting, like in Dragon Ball, instead of the raw power fighting we saw in Dragon Ball Z. It would certainly be a good way to give older characters who got left in the dust in terms of strength some relevance again.
Remember he killed Raditz with the makanko sappo despite being completely outclassed.
If he hits Frost, he's done for. Doesn't matter how much stronger he is at this point, we know Frost isn't on Gods level. Which means Piccolo is in reach.
Only reason he didn't do shit against Buu was because Buu was immortal to begin with.
If he hits Frost, he's done for. Doesn't matter how much stronger he is at this point, we know Frost isn't on Gods level. Which means Piccolo is in reach.
Only reason he didn't do shit against Buu was because Buu was immortal to begin with.
LordOfChaos
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I think that was my favourite episode so far! Having seen the movies and being bored by the last 32 being part of it, but if you were lurking and wondering when to jump in, a few before 33 is a good place if you saw both movies and don't want to repeat much.
The Botamo fight was meh, but the Frost one was the most excited I've been in this series.
Piccolo hype for next episode...He's definitely not stronger than even regular SS Goku now, so it looks like it will be more like the original Dragon Ball where both contestants are using different techniques and strategies rather than a JJ Abrams Explosion Special.
The Botamo fight was meh, but the Frost one was the most excited I've been in this series.
Piccolo hype for next episode...He's definitely not stronger than even regular SS Goku now, so it looks like it will be more like the original Dragon Ball where both contestants are using different techniques and strategies rather than a JJ Abrams Explosion Special.
Piku_Ringo
Banned
Speculations as to how strong FF Frost is in comparison to ROF era Freeza?
LordOfChaos
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I think final RoF form Freiza would have still been far stronger, as Goku was beating Frost silly in just SS1. His SS1 may be much stronger now due to all the extra training, I'll assume SS1 still isn't near SSG form, which he was fighting RoF Freiza in.
Probably better than any form of Z Freiza though to even give the Super Goku a challenge.
Icyflamez96
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Champa turned out to be a lot different than I thought he'd be but I'm enjoying him and Vados.
You are talking about Frieza's golden form right?
From what I can tell by the posts on here, Goku is stronger than FF frost as SSJ1. But against FF Frieza, he was schooling him at base level.
Kyleripman
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Wow it's actually happening, they are using different techniques to some extent to make the fights interesting.
Kinda bummed at how quickly the fights are going so far, but this arc is already a ton of fun.
Quick question, after rewatching ep 32 - did the alternate universe Saiyan not understand why Goku and Vegeta asked him about tails?
Kinda bummed at how quickly the fights are going so far, but this arc is already a ton of fun.
Quick question, after rewatching ep 32 - did the alternate universe Saiyan not understand why Goku and Vegeta asked him about tails?
ArchedThunder
Banned
Goku's SSJ form was as strong as his regular God form immediately after he lost his god form, so right now it would be stronger.
Yep, he had no idea what they were talking about.
TheRealTalker
Banned
bloody Goku preaching about not holding back and being cunning while the dude lies that him being in SSJ mode is going all out
NeonZ
Member
I really hope he was lying. I'm still fearing they'll dump SSJ Blue for no reason, just like how they dumped SSJ God.
Icyflamez96
Member
They didn't dump SSG for "no reason"
TheRealTalker
Banned
I still feel SSJ God > Blue
it is just that with training Blue can be > Red but unlike Red having the power from the get go but losing it later Blue is having the power at a minimum but later training and mastering it to the power of red
LordOfChaos
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I noticed Frost had a knowing smile at that moment...I wonder....As the peacekeeping force in the galaxy, maybe they removed baby Saiyans tails, to prevent any destruction from Oozaru form?
TheRealTalker
Banned
Also next week my boy Piccolo
AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cabba said he doesn't know anything about tails.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Kyleripman
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I was thinking something like this or maybe even that these Saiyans had a different ancestry (and possibly different transformation potential?)
But then I just read this on the DB wiki, will spoiler tag it just in case, since it's apparently manga info:
Goku then asks Cabba where his tail is, to which Cabba reveals that they had tails long ago, but have lost them due to the evolutionary process (in the anime, Cabba is unaware of tails).
So maybe nothing lol.
ArchedThunder
Banned
The line was in the manga, but not the anime. Presumably Toriyama's outline gave that info and didn't assign a character to explaining it and Toyotaro decided to have Cabba say it.
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