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[Skii]

Some very interesting turn of events.

So Monaka is a fraud going by what's being said on here and Beerus' reaction. But need to see that dialogue!

So Goku is essentially throwing out a fake attack and then proceeds to block Hit's counter-attack leaving Hit open to that counter counter-attack.

 

[N.Domixis]

someone on reddit said all those flashes on Frost were Hit skipping time while hitting frost.

 

[GaimeGuy]

[19:24:57] <GaimeGuy> what is hppened
[19:25:00] <GaimeGuy> happening
[19:25:01] <GaimeGuy> :<
[19:26:27] <Kagari> Goku is predicting Hit's .1 second time skips
[19:26:35] <GaimeGuy> o.o
[19:27:14] <GaimeGuy> But why 0.1
[19:27:21] <Kagari> idk
[19:27:22] <Kagari> lol
[19:27:59] <GaimeGuy> So what , does he literally have hte ability to time travel 0.1 seconds?
[19:28:14] <GaimeGuy> that makes no fucking sense
[19:28:49] <GaimeGuy> He should still be able to dodge any attack
[19:29:05] <GaimeGuy> then attack on the follow through
[19:29:23] <Kagari> he can stop time for .1 seconds
[19:29:37] <GaimeGuy> what does that even mean
[19:29:44] <GaimeGuy> if he stops time, then 0.1 seconds doesn't happen
[19:29:50] <GaimeGuy> &#65288; &#65439;&#1044;&#65439;&#65289;
[19:29:57] <Kagari> TORIYAMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[19:30:11] <GaimeGuy> and he can still dodge in that 0.1 seconds
[19:30:41] <GaimeGuy> How the fuck do you even conclude "Oh, he must be able to control time"
[19:30:48] <GaimeGuy> from seeing like 3 attacks
[19:30:56] <Kagari> DEUS EX MACHINA
[19:31:04] <GaimeGuy> And how do you counter that?
[19:31:12] <GaimeGuy> by being unpredictable?
[19:31:17] <GaimeGuy> he can still control time!
[19:31:24] <GaimeGuy> SHIT MAKES NO SENSE
[19:31:33] <Kagari> GOTTA HAVE GOKU WIN
[19:31:36] <Kagari> CAUSE REASONSSSSSSSSSSSS
[19:32:19] <GaimeGuy> But he was strong enough to knock out SS Blue Vegeta in like 3 hits

THIS SHIT MAKES NO SENSE

 

[sprsk]

Yeah Monaka is a fraud they brought on to make Goku and Vegeta try harder.

 

[Kagari]

THIS SHIT MAKES NO SENSE

:^]

 

[Deleteeeeee]

yeah it doesn't really make sense now that I think about it.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

THIS SHIT MAKES NO SENSE

Look up King Crimson in JoJo's for a real headache

 

[KingBroly]

Yeah Monaka is a fraud they brought on to make Goku and Vegeta try harder.

Seems like it, unfortunately. But maybe he has Nipples from the Future from Rocko's Modern Life?

 

[ArchedThunder]

So I guess that (future spoilers)

Spoiler

Monaka isn't going to be the one to step into the ring after the tournament is over since he's not actually super strong.

 

[A Pretty Panda]

Yeah Monaka is a fraud they brought on to make Goku and Vegeta try harder.

Daw was hoping that wasn't the case. Seems like something Whis would care about more than Beerus would though

Did they explain how he took the punch to the face at least?

 

[Skii]

Yeah Monaka is a fraud they brought on to make Goku and Vegeta try harder.

I still don't get it though. Goku literally punched him as hard as he could in base form and it didn't really faze Monaka.

Power levels are some bullshit man.

 

[Kagari]

I still don't get it though. Goku literally punched him as hard as he could in base form and it didn't really faze Monaka.

Power levels are some bullshit man.

I mean... isn't it also bullshit Hit took out SSB Vegeta in a few punches while Goku's still standing?

 

[KingBroly]

I still don't get it though. Goku literally punched him as hard as he could in base form and it didn't really faze Monaka.

Power levels are some bullshit man.

He probably really didn't hit him that hard.

 

[Welfare]

Hit is just a very very out of shape Jotaro.

Can only stop time for .1 seconds.

 

[A Pretty Panda]

I mean... isn't it also bullshit Hit took out SSB Vegeta in a few punches while Goku's still standing?

Vegeta sucks.

Also has been in like three other fights already, I'm fine with him losing

 

[sprsk]

My guess is that this is playing out like the DIO fight from Stardust Crusaders.

 

[ArchedThunder]

I mean... isn't it also bullshit Hit took out SSB Vegeta in a few punches while Goku's still standing?

A. Vegeta was tired after his previous fights and wasn't fighting smart
B. Hit wasn't really trying
and
C. Goku was being smarter while he was just testing Hit's powers.

Doesn't seem to crazy to me.

 

[KingBroly]

I mean... isn't it also bullshit Hit took out SSB Vegeta in a few punches while Goku's still standing?

I'm guessing Hit's pissed Goku won't show him his true power, so he's toying with him until he does.

Saiyan fighting logic is contagious.

 

[sprsk]

I still don't get it though. Goku literally punched him as hard as he could in base form and it didn't really faze Monaka.

Power levels are some bullshit man.

Monaka's power could just be that he's a huge punching bag though.


Hit was pulling punches. Even gave Goku a chance to concede defeat before he ends up like Vegeta

 

[GaimeGuy]

A. Vegeta was tired after his previous fights and wasn't fighting smart
B. Hit wasn't really trying
and
C. Goku was being smarter while he was just testing Hit's powers.

Doesn't seem to crazy to me.

It doesn't make any sense.

So Hit can't react to Goku's counter-counterattacks in base form, but he can react to SSBlue speed.

 

[Limit]

If they were going to bring in a fraud then might as well have brought someone good at smack talking and cutting some decent promos. Lost opportunity there.

 

[GaimeGuy]

If they were going to bring in a fraud then might as well have brought someone good at smack talking and cutting some decent promos. Lost opportunity there.

Like a space Mr Satan

Or just Mr Satan himself.

 

[A Pretty Panda]

Monaka's power could just be that he's a huge punching bag though.

Maybe he's immortal which is why he always looks so bored

 

[KingBroly]

It doesn't make any sense.

So Hit can't react to Goku's counter-counterattacks in base form, but he can react to SSBlue speed.

Vegeta's also worn down at that point. Gotta take that into account.

 

[Zolo]

Goku already heard the theory from Jaco and the king, so he had an advantage there.

How is Goku able to predict if Goku will punch or kick and where? I guess he also doesn't know ki blasts to mix things up even more.

 

[A Pretty Panda]

Wouldn't Goku being able to counter this ability be what Whis was talking about in ROF with the not thinking while fighting thing?

 

[Skii]

He probably really didn't hit him that hard.

Nah, Goku would've hit him hard enough to kill him if he was on a level similar to the z-warriors.

Monaka's power could just be that he's a huge punching bag though.


Hit was pulling punches. Even gave Goku a chance to concede defeat before he ends up like Vegeta

You're probably right. He must be invincible but really weak. Probably why Beerus couldn't destroy him when he encountered him initially.

 

[Zero-ELEC]

Vegeta's also worn down at that point. Gotta take that into account.

Is that why he was slouching?

 

[Unknown One]

It doesn't make any sense.

So Hit can't react to Goku's counter-counterattacks in base form, but he can react to SSBlue speed.

Hit could only read 0.1 seconds in the future, that's when he reacts to Goku's first attack, Goku counters right after so there has to be a cooldown to it.

If not it'll be over 0.1 seconds.

 

[N.Domixis]

If hit can skip time than why can't he see goku where goku guessed he would be at .1 seconds ago after Hit has time skipped? Goku predicting a move should is just another move that hit should be a able to see and react to. This is some quantum physics shit right here.

 

[Skii]

Wouldn't Goku being able to counter this ability be what Whis was talking about in ROF with the not thinking while fighting thing?

But isn't he literally having to think out every move he makes at the moment? It's like a game of chess for him. It feels like the opposite of what Whis wanted him to do in ROF lol.

 

[GaimeGuy]

As I said:

it doesn't make sense that Goku can beat Hit by simply being "unpredictable." He can still control time! And he's still strong enough to KO Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta in a few hits (while clearly holding back)

SHIT MAKES NO SENSE

 

[.shin]

As I said:

it doesn't make sense that Goku can beat Hit by simply being "unpredictable." He can still control time! And he's still strong enough to KO Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta in a few hits (while clearly holding back)

SHIT MAKES NO SENSE

time control having a cool down doesn't make sense? it's just a tiny amount of time to get a quick hit in. it's not full time manipulation. Gokuu is calculating what he can do in that .1 of a second.

 

[A Pretty Panda]

But isn't he literally having to think out every move he makes at the moment? It's like a game of chess for him. It feels like the opposite of what Whis wanted him to do in ROF lol.

I'm not sure as I didn't catch the episode. I'm just going based off the impressions here.

That sucks if true though, was hoping they'd get back to that at some point. Seems like a time filler then

 

[sprsk]

As I said:

it doesn't make sense that Goku can beat Hit by simply being "unpredictable." He can still control time! And he's still strong enough to KO Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta in a few hits (while clearly holding back)

SHIT MAKES NO SENSE

He wasn't holding back with Vegeta.

His attacks focus on weak points, so he doesn't need to use a large amt of power, especially considering he never has to worry about getting hit.

 

[Mr. Smiley]

THIS SHIT MAKES NO SENSE

It just works.

 

[Kagari]

As I said:

it doesn't make sense that Goku can beat Hit by simply being "unpredictable." He can still control time! And he's still strong enough to KO Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta in a few hits (while clearly holding back)

SHIT MAKES NO SENSE

I guess you could use the explanation that SSB is a big energy drain from what it sounded like. Plus Vegeta was already fatigued from 3 fights...

 

[Skii]

As I said:

it doesn't make sense that Goku can beat Hit by simply being "unpredictable." He can still control time! And he's still strong enough to KO Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta in a few hits (while clearly holding back)

SHIT MAKES NO SENSE

I think when Hit looks into the future, he sees Goku's attack. He can't constantly see into the future. He has to use an ability to do it which probably has a refractory period that Goku can exploit.

 

[GaimeGuy]

I guess you could use the explanation that SSB is a big energy drain from what it sounded like. Plus Vegeta was already fatigued from 3 fights...

AND GOKU HAS THE LINGERING EFFECTS OF POISON IN HIS BODY.

 

[Enter the Dragon Punch]

AND GOKU HAS THE LINGERING EFFECTS OF POISON IN HIS BODY.

he also has plot armour

 

[TCKaos]

I haven't watched the episode, but since Goku can move instantaneously doesn't that render Hit's power moot regardless?

Goku also may have been able to recognize the time manipulation techniques from watching Whis do it. He might know what it looks like or how the ki feels when time is manipulated or something.

So our question should be: In Toriyama's mind, does stopping time trump infinite speed?

 

[.shin]

AND GOKU HAS THE LINGERING EFFECTS OF POISON IN HIS BODY.

WHAT LINGERING EFFECTS?

 

[N.Domixis]

I haven't watched the episode, but since Goku can move instantaneously doesn't that render Hit's power moot regardless?

Goku also may have been able to recognize the time manipulation techniques from watching Whis do it. He might know what it looks like or how the ki feels when time is manipulated or something.

So our question should be: In Toriyama's mind, does stopping time trump infinite speed?

Hit can skip time, but if goku can travel faster the light he experiences no time when he uses IT so I guess they cancel out lmao.

 

[AlimNassor]

Look up King Crimson in JoJo's for a real headache

How the fuck does it work? It just fucking does.

 

[ElFly]

More like Jobetta

 

[GaimeGuy]

This is such bullshit.

 

[Kagari]

This is such bullshit.

I'm really curious to see people's reactions after next week...

Spoiler

when we find out the tournament is actually pretty damn useless and Goku predictably wins!

 

[gamerguy2002]

I just skipped ahead 20 pages, recap in spoilers of whats going on and why everybody is pissed?

 

[TheSpoiler]

Yeah those rough three fights.

A. Going SSJ for no reason to punch bootleg Frieza in the face and end the fight.
B. Getting hot from fighting a heater.
C. Fighting a brand new SSJ kid.

Vegeta definitely had a rough time.

 

[Enter the Dragon Punch]

I just skipped ahead 20 pages, recap in spoilers of whats going on and why everybody is pissed?

goku is going to win