A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
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Dragon Ball Super |OT2| June 12: Judgment Day
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Power of the SUPER DRAGON BALLS
CoffeeJanitor
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Jason's Ultimatum
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This whole timeline talk is hurting my head.
Trunks explains it during one of the episodes. Basically if he were to go back into the past from the present timeline and destroy Gero's lab before the androids activate, he'd only be preventing them in that new timeline.
What is very interesting, is that sure, Toriyama made it up as he went along, but he has been extremely specific concerning the " lame ass Trunks ".
He probably had more time related plots that he just dropped because of how convoluted it got.
From cell's timeline we know that
1) One Trunks killed Frieza, warned the heroes of the androids, but never came back. Everybody got murdered anyway. This also means Goku potentially got killed by them too.
2) The baby Trunks of that time grows up, goes back in time, befriends the heroes, eventually finds a blueprint for a deactivating remote that disables 17 and 18.
3) Now what is really interesting, this Trunks came back to his future, but it took him 3 years, to plot another trip to the past.
4) The trip he intended to make was to another timeline entirely. Set a year before Trunks killed Frieza. By doing that, this Trunks would have never met his friends because that would result in a new timeline entirely.
Nobody knows why, or what this Trunks was up to.
But this Trunks technically saved his world, since he got rid of the androids, Cell disappeared from that timeline, and Babidi sure as hell would never raise buu only with humans left.
He probably had more time related plots that he just dropped because of how convoluted it got.
From cell's timeline we know that
1) One Trunks killed Frieza, warned the heroes of the androids, but never came back. Everybody got murdered anyway. This also means Goku potentially got killed by them too.
2) The baby Trunks of that time grows up, goes back in time, befriends the heroes, eventually finds a blueprint for a deactivating remote that disables 17 and 18.
3) Now what is really interesting, this Trunks came back to his future, but it took him 3 years, to plot another trip to the past.
4) The trip he intended to make was to another timeline entirely. Set a year before Trunks killed Frieza. By doing that, this Trunks would have never met his friends because that would result in a new timeline entirely.
Nobody knows why, or what this Trunks was up to.
But this Trunks technically saved his world, since he got rid of the androids, Cell disappeared from that timeline, and Babidi sure as hell would never raise buu only with humans left.
All this talk about Future Trunks makes me want to rewatch the Android/Cell saga again, Still my favorite arc for many reasons including his appearance, the androids, the smart use of the entire cast and of course the build up to Gohan's defeat of Cell.
Yeah I think I'll do that while we wait.
Yeah I think I'll do that while we wait.
Hickbilly Deluxe
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I have to wonder if Cell had won, how he would have handled Babididbutututyyyiee or whatever his name was and the whole Buu fiasco. Kill them for being annoying, or allow them to bring Buu to life just to test his strength and become more powerful?
I have watched the whole saga at least 5 times now. Gets better after every watch. Going to do another run through in the summer
A magical dragon larger than galaxies did it
he gives no fucks about consistency, history or whatever cause he is really large
Babidi sends Dabura to fight Cell, they are somewhat matched, maybe with Cell having the upper hand, but eventually Babidi just Majin posseses Cell, the end.
They would both absorb each other
I have watched the whole saga at least 5 times now. Gets better after every watch. Going to do another run through in the summer
I can't even count how many times I've seen it through but yeah it's still awesome all these years later.
The Silver
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Cell would've killed everyone and there wouldn't be enough energy for Buu.
I'd also say it's likely Cell would have left earth to find another challenge
I definitely picked up on a lot of the Gohan foreshadowing after multiple watches which really proves what a well crafted arc it was.
Yeah this what I'd go with. He'd destroy the Earth and travel the universe for his next challenge. He finally reaches Beerus and gets killed by a sneeze.
Hickbilly Deluxe
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Thats what I always assumed, but its interesting to wonder how that would have played out. It makes for an interesting line of possibilities.
Host Samurai
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If Cell won he would have ran into Monaka and get stomped
Just watch the TFS version.
Which isn't even at the Cell games yet?
They'll realistically finish the Cell saga by late 2017.
just scrolling past it makes me want to take a nap
Dragon Box version.
Seven Force
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That whole stretch of the Z fighters trying to dodge the androids, the plot twists leading to Cell, and eventually having to shake off both the androids and Cell is amazing. DBZ is at it's best when they're completely on the defensive.
Cell stalking Krillin in the airport is still pretty awesome to this day.
DiipuSurotu
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He would travel the universe, absorb other beings' DNAs and exterminate entire planets to try and become the most perfect lifeform.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
He would travel the universe, absorb other beings' DNAs and exterminate entire planets to try and become the most perfect lifeform.
I think at this point, they are inviting him to events just because of Puar.
Would make the perfect husband for Quelaag.
Yamcha's character has been around for a long time and has a great voice actor. It's not surprising he's still here.
NeonZ
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I just don't see why things would work like that. The timelines are clearly created by the time machine, so why would they just "pop up" into existence fully formed, changing even events previous to their arrival (like your question about a future seer)?
T2 Cell changes the past of T1 Trunks, not the T2 timeline itself, where it's still just T1 Trunks visiting. So, that fits under the established rules. No one is changing their own timeline's past.
If you think that goes against the spirit of the "changing the past is impossible" rule, then it all can still fit if you add one extra timeline, although I avoided that because I didn't think it was necessary.
Basically, the T1 Trunks visiting the T2 timeline in Cell's past, which is also part of T4 when Cells goes to the past, "splits" from his original self due to Cell's presence changing the timeline, becoming T1b Trunks, since his personal timeline is being modified by Cell's presence. And when he goes to the future, it splits into a T1b future rather than it being the original T1, which explains why there aren't two Trunks running back home.
We see very little of the Other World though. If someone like Grandpa Gohan kept his body in spite of never saving the world or anything, it's possible that they could find more good Saiyans there aside from Goku.
I think they'd see the original unaltered future. If they could see the now modified future, it'd mean that the past itself would change even before the arrival of the time machine, and there's nothing in the show supporting that. The characters don't even speculate about that idea.
Because past present and future exist at the same time. It makes no sense to me that an alternate timeline would share the exact same past as another one then branch off. The timeline needs its own time space continuum, therefore has a past that matches that alternate future. Thus a seer should be able to have a different answer depending on which timeline he is from.
Well that's what I meant to say, Trunks 1b is needed to fill the hole. That sounds good.
Beerus himself doesn't know anything about the ritual though, pure hearted saiyans are a rare thing in U7, and they needed super saiyans in the mix.
The oracle fish predicted Goku would become the super saiyan god though.
So basically what sounds the most unlikely, that the seer can see the altered timeline's future because past present and future are one and the same, or that Beerus and Whis somehow went to heaven, dragged Goku out of it, somehow magically found 5 pure hearted saiyans that kept their bodies that we never heard of, then somehow found out about the ritual, then got to turn a dead Goku into a super saiyan god ?
It never even occurred to me that Super Saiyan God's thinness was due to Toriyama's modern stylings. That's kind of crazy, if true.
It does still seem like the man is tired, though. Maybe his passion and ego, understandably, wants something to still return to but time is ticking on, as morbid as that might see.
Yo:
Starting on 6/12 a new arc with Future Trunks!
Omg!!! AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
I could go on and on why it is my favorite.
-Bad ass Trunks shows up and turns frieza into "cold cuts". Such domination in the series is rarely seen by our heroes in Z. "What? He has a sword!? DOPE!" I remember saying that lol!
-Android/cell saga was genuinely thrilling and creepy/scary. No one knew what was gonna happen. Android 19s maniac laugh and creepy voice. Dr Gero's cold stare. Them impaling yamcha and just holding him there. Covering his mouth so he couldn't scream. Android 19 and Gero lighting up the city to make "space" for a fight. They were ABSOLUTELY NUTS.
-Nothing went as planned. Dr Gero got away and used stealth. Goku nearly got killed. "These androids weren't the real ones!!!?" I remember seeing Trunks' face of horror as he saw an unrecognizable Android in front of his friends. I shared the same reaction: "if that wasn't one of them.... Then...?"
-Arguably the greatest villian comes out of all this chaos. Cell. What a cocky, loveable bastard. He is my favorite villian to date. His dub VA was so on point. In ALL forms. Even the ugly ones lol.
The best parts are when shit is going down in the background and NONE of the Z-Fighters have any idea what the fuck is going on except Piccolo. Cell has come back from the future and is eating tons of people while the Z-Fighters are still dealing with Androids 17 and 18, and as the viewer we're like "WTF...?"
Yeah that saga had so much drama in it. Lol piccolo either always hears something he shouldn't have, or sees something due to his abilities with kami.
Even now. Haha.
Apparently the new villian's name for this arc coming up is
GOKU BLACK
ahhhhhhhhhhh. DB is so hype right now!
I wholeheartedly agree with every one of those points.
There was an entire collection of villains that were genuinely stronger than the entire cast for large periods of the arc. It's only after the hyperbolic time chamber did the z-warriors finally gain some ground on the villains. It was just pure tension for the Android saga.
And these villains were quite complex in motivation. Android 17 & 18 weren't actually evil like Trunks built them up to be and Android 16 was your big gentle giant trope (who could actually deal some damage!). And Cell was essentially the same as the saiyans because of his DNA. He lusted for battle.
It's also the last time the cast was fully utilised for the fights. Piccolo, Trunks, Vegeta, Goku and of course Gohan. They all eventually went toe to toe with the main villain.
It was just so good
i hate it
Host Samurai
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Android/Cell was amazing up until the Cell Games.
I wholeheartedly agree with every one of those points.
There was an entire collection of villains that were genuinely stronger than the entire cast for large periods of the arc. It's only after the hyperbolic time chamber did the z-warriors finally gain some ground on the villains. It was just pure tension for the Android saga.
And these villains were quite complex in motivation. Android 17 & 18 weren't actually evil like Trunks built them up to be and Android 16 was your big gentle giant trope (who could actually deal some damage!). And Cell was essentially the same as the saiyans because of his DNA. He lusted for battle.
It's also the last time the cast was fully utilised for the fights. Piccolo, Trunks, Vegeta, Goku and of course Gohan. They all eventually went toe to toe with the main villain.
It was just so good
Same. I think Toriyama's editors had it right when they got him to keep changing it up a bit. Since the new Super arc is also using input from his editorial staff this time I'm hoping for something more along the lines of the Android/Cell arc for all the reasons you listed above.
sleverfunk
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Okay. I just woke up from a dream that Future Trunks gets hit with an explosive arrow and died. Made Vegeta cry like a baby.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Me reading timeline explanations in this thread
Me reading timeline explanations in this thread
I just scroll right past any timeline discussion lol. I usually just roll with time travel stuff in fiction. Analyzing it to any real extent makes my head hurt haha.
Icyflamez96
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Emerson's Essentia
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Has there been any news of when this is getting localized for the West?
None.
Voice actors believe it should be made by the end of the year.
France gets in fall.
Ryouji Gunblade
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Would this make him more or less like his GT self?
I actually feel like they'll try and tie back to Future Trunks' own past and have him train/work with Gohan.
It'd be an appropriate parallel.
Blackleg-sanji1
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No natter who trunks trains gohan or trunks...poor goten
Hey Goten is getting a couple episodes coming up here!
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