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Dragon Ball Super |OT2| June 12: Judgment Day

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Second time in a row now that I've watched a new episode without subs. Need to learn Japanese, this sucks.

Also: Vegeta is going to lose, Gohan comes in and saves the day.
I dont get it. There's good subs out already. It feels like some of you just don't check DragonTeam's website?
 
Did I miss something? It seemed to be an entire episode that amounted to Piccolo charging his laser and then nothing. He never even got to use it.

He drilled the shit out of that dome.

also, cabba (cappa? Nappa! Yaaaaay! more bald people! ahum ) probably has some equivalent of a tail-transformation anyway. Champa didn't know Saiyans could transform, and I believe Cabba says that he's never seen that before, not so much denying the possibility of a transformation. Oozaru at will isn't out of the question, considering the manga (from reading this thread) had a different take on that.
 
I'll be pretty annoyed if Goku isn't re-qualified since they ruled Piccolo would have gotten the win. Let Vegeta do work and when he and Monaka gets owned by Hit, Goku gets a shot at Hit and of course Hit would beat him too and that way everyone is happy. This way everyone gets their chance to shine and there's a formidable opponent from Universe 6 that Goku and Vegeta couldn't beat and thus must become stronger. Also we'll get the fall out from Universe 7 losing as expected. It also pleases people who are unsatisfied with the way Goku went out. Hard not to be unsatisfied when it was a result of cheating AND when the same cheating method occurs against another participant, it's called correctly (even if rebuffed for other reasons). Most people that were cool with it was because they wanted someone other than Goku to do something for a change and with the proposal above, everyone should be satisfied (expect for people that wanted Goku and or Vegeta to win the tournament but I don't think any of us believed that would happen). Still entirely possible the tournament is interrupted as well but the one reason it's not a given is that the consequence of Universe 7 losing is already great enough and mixes things up enough that they don't need to throw some other plot element in at this point. You can setup the next arc when they reach Universe 6, make something go down over there.
 
Maybe Cabba's anger over being played by Frost will trigger him to go SSJ.

That's not really anger + pressure though. He's angry at Frost but fighting someone else, and Frost would presumably be out of the game by the time he's up.

Then again they did say fuck it to the situations surrounding SSJ with Trunks and Goten so who knows.
 
Piccolo straight up gave up to let Vegeta fight, Goku wasn't even asked if he wanted to fight again. Which is weird, he was tricked too.
 
If Piccolo isn't going back in, Goku shouldn't either.

I'd agree with you if Piccolo wasn't allowed to but that's on him that he deferred to Vegeta so I disagree. I personally was hoping Piccolo would beat Frost and Magetta but then lose to Cabba and Vegeta would defeat Cabba but lose to Hit. Bummer Piccolo was pretty much wasted but the bottom line is Piccolo was presented the opportunity to keep fighting and Goku wasn't which makes no sense. Even if they didn't see the use on Goku, the way his body responded was the same as Piccolo and the announcer. No excuse!
 
If Piccolo isn't going back in, Goku shouldn't either.

Piccolo forfeited the match, that's how Vegeta is in now. If things go south for U7, I can see someone mentioning that Goku's loss shouldn't have counted, and he fights Hit.

This will happen so the hype af Gohan entrance to save U7 when Goku fails is even better.
 
Jaco didn't object during the Goku fight, so the chance to revert his loss passed.

At least that's how it'd work in most events, but I could see Goku getting a last chance to beat Hit once Vegeta and Monaka lose.
 
I wonder how the manga will handle things. Considering the oddity of the script, maybe the whole twist with Frost's poison being considered a weapon, Piccolo returning, only for him to give up his turn for Vegeta was all just an invention of the anime script writer, not part of the original outline? If Piccolo returned, why not Goku? They only discovered Frost's cheating after the match was over. We'll presumably also see Frost openly using his poison in the next battle (the preview shows some purple liquid dropping from it) which also seems at odds with what just happened regarding the tournament rules.
 
If Piccolo isn't going back in, Goku shouldn't either.


Piccolo *was* put back in, he forfeit after exchanging manly feels with Vegeta. So by that rule, Goku should be reinstated too?

We'll presumably also see Frost openly using his poison in the next battle (the preview shows some purple liquid dropping from it) which also seems at odds with what just happened regarding the tournament rules.

I wondered if that shot was more after Vegeta pulled the needle out with his speed or something, as the purple stuff was oozing out with no needle.
 
Goku should be re-instated, Frost clearly cheated during his match too.

Jaco didn't object during the Goku fight, so the chance to revert his loss passed.

At least that's how it'd work in most events, but I could see Goku getting a last chance to beat Hit once Vegeta and Monaka lose.

That's how I see it going.
 
I think Frost will try to escape from the hole piccolo made or try to shatter the shield since he can survive it. That will trigger hit to step in. I don't remember vados fixing that hole even though she said she would, so I think it could come into play.
 
In before Vegeta screws up everything, again.

He already screwed his team out of Buu and now Piccolo.

Funny thing is Buu was Goku's pick. Vegeta's first suggestion was Gohan.

Must suck for Veggie haters. They've changed the manga version of events at least a couple of times to favor him. He had to point out golden Frieza's weakness to Goku, then had to tell Goku to use his head against Botamo. In the manga, he seemed surprised by Goku's win against Botamo.
 
Well, I'm expecting a new SS level (Green?) or technique or something. 3 years training with Vegeta should have gotten them somewhere.

No way, that's way too immediate. I mean we got SSB like less than 10 episodes ago and that one already came up out of nowhere. Plus, Vegeta already said before training they probably wouldn't improve much.

Won't find anything new until Gohan catches up and then surpasses like he did going -> SSJ1 -> SSJ2~
 
No way, that's way too immediate. I mean we got SSB like less than 10 episodes ago and that one already came up out of nowhere. Plus, Vegeta already said before training they probably wouldn't improve much.

Won't find anything new until Gohan catches up and then surpasses like he did going -> SSJ1 -> SSJ2~

I don't know, SSB was dropped on us out of nowhere as well.

There was no explanation other than "We trained hard with Whis".

I could see it happening again.
 
SSB and SSG can die in my toilet. No build up, no stakes, and awfully lazy design.

Definitely the most disappointing transformation so far for me across all DB series.

They didn't even attempt to explain it. Hell they could have just said "we discovered we could go SSJ while in God form!".

Edit: I was wrong! See comments below. End of Episode 24 said this explicitly.
 
Well, I'm expecting a new SS level (Green?) or technique or something. 3 years training with Vegeta should have gotten them somewhere.

These gains in those 3 years were largely refinements, nothing major.

They need new opponents and challenges to reach the next level.
We will be seeing SSB for a good bit.
 
SSB literally looks better than any other transformation, so if you're gonna do away with SSB, you better do away with SS period.
 
I think it happens due to an inference process.

A lot of people here saw Hit first through this image or a similar image from the manga or the anime



On the bottom you see a Freeza like character, and someone who could be a saiyan or a human. And a round guy who of a weird color, and a purple guy.

So your brain goes through dragon ball villains, fills Vegeta for Cabba, Freeza for Frost, Buu for Botamo and that leaves Cell for Hit.

The robot dude is obviously the cell counterpart
 
My head cannon is just that anyone who partook in the SSG ritual had access to the God Ki so they all have the potential to unlock and tap into it now. It's by far the best theory at least.
 
Definitely the most disappointing transformation so far for me across all DB series.

They didn't even attempt to explain it. Hell they could have just said "we discovered we could go SSJ while in God form!".

Isn't that what Goku said though? It's going Super Saiyan with the power of Super Saiyan God.

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Was this in the manga? Because I don't recall that being said in the series.

I don't remember the line in Super, but he says it in the movie.
 
Goku did explain it. It's him going SSJ with god ki...

Isn't that what Goku said though? It's going Super Saiyan with the power of Super Saiyan God.

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I don't remember the line in Super, but he says it in the movie.

He explains it when fighting Freeze in the series.

Goku says, "This is the Super Saiyan form of a Saiyan that has the powers of a Super Saiyan God"

He did explain it.

I guess I'll have to go back and look again. Because this doesn't ring a bell at at all.

Do any of you happen know what episode this was?
 
He says it in the Japanese version of the film, says something different in the English dub.

SSG had build up, the whole movie was about Beerus finding the Super Saiyan God. Super was the same
 
For whatever reason, it seems to me (from the NEP) that Hit is controlling Frost somehow, like Babidi's mind control.

Maybe Cabba's anger over being played by Frost will trigger him to go SSJ.

That's not going to help him in the least bit.

Goku apparently never used any of his god power since he said he's only using Super Saiyan and not his full power. It's completely possible that Botamo and Frost aren't even stronger than SS3 Goku during the Buu Arc, let alone the various absorptions or god tier opponents that came later. So Piccolo, after training with Gohan, wouldn't need to be outclassed or have gotten too haxed of a buff.
 
For whatever reason, it seems to me (from the NEP) that Hit is controlling Frost somehow, like Babidi's mind control.
I doubt this, considering Vados was the one that even revealed that Frost was evil.

If anything I wouldn't be surprised if Hit literally is his namesake, and is a hitman of some sort and has a "target" in this tournament. Maybe Champa.
 
Well, I'm expecting a new SS level (Green?) or technique or something. 3 years training with Vegeta should have gotten them somewhere.

The only way to redeem this show after what they have done to gohan, piccolo and frost.

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