The only good thing to come from GT is the SSJ4 design and transformation. That's it. Everything else is just so bad or mediocre its not even worth thinking about. Super has exceeded it greatly in terms of character development and interactions as well as a plot that can balance action and fun. It doesn't take itself nearly as serious either thankfully.
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Dragon Ball Super |OT2| June 12: Judgment Day
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Final bout was ass as well.
I love both Shuki Levy's and Bruce Faulconer's work on the english dubs, but I can't fucking stand GT's soundtrack. It's awful lol.
Uh... did you not watch any of Dragon Ball / Z?
The Kaio Ken was specifically conceived by Kaio (AKA North Kai, AKA King Kai), although not even he was able to use it properly. Goku is the only person who has ever been taught the technique.
And no, the Supreme Kais are nowhere near on the same level of power as the Gods of Destruction, although they're both yin and yang with equal standing in their respective universes.
Dub. It's how I experienced the show growing up and I can't stand watching these characters in Japanese. It's dumb, but it's just how it is for me. I don't have this issue with any other anime.
You get used to it. But I can't wait till this series finally gets dubbed. Having the old voices I grew up with will definitely increase my enjoyment of the show.
That's why I don't want to ruin it for myself. Goku alone gets on my nerves so I want to go into it pure with the right mindset. Maybe I'll watch the first episode, I can hold out for a little while longer waiting for an announcement.
CherryWoodFuton
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Still won't be the same even when Funi decides to dub due to Kai voice changes and new actors (such as the Freeza recast)
ArtHands
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Supreme Kais and destruction gods have equal status and standing in terms of position, but Destruction gods has got much more fighting power.
ArchedThunder
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The instant the technique is described in the show they said he basically stops time. He was attacking Vegeta during the time skip and that is why nobody could see his attacks, he also attacked Frost within a time skip which is why he seemingly stood in place and then all of the sudden Frost had already been attacked and he had no idea what happened. The only thing that is weird right now is that he was able to freeze Goku within a time skip, the only thing I can think is that he is able to perform a time skip within a time skip.
The name of the technique is likely just referencing how to others it appears as if he is skipping time, because suddenly he has thrown attacks instantly without them being visible.
i find it easy to understand the time skip parts if you've seen the Jotaro Vs DIO final fight in Jojo Stardust Crusaders.
Hit's ability is basically Za Warudo and it's only when they show it from Hit's point of view when you can see everything frozen in time. when he teleports, it's the point of view of others since, when time is stopped, you can't feel it at all and can only see the user jump around.
i find it funny that Goku's ability to overcome time stop with his speed seems even more ridiculous after seeing Jojo since Jotaro could only overcome time stop because his Stand had the same ability.
i rewatched the episode and it's actually both.
first, Hit can stop time for 0.1 seconds. then, when he starts his growth, he goes to 0.2 seconds (that's when they say "one fifth of a second"). later in the fight, he then goes up to 0.5.
Hit's ability is basically Za Warudo and it's only when they show it from Hit's point of view when you can see everything frozen in time. when he teleports, it's the point of view of others since, when time is stopped, you can't feel it at all and can only see the user jump around.
i find it funny that Goku's ability to overcome time stop with his speed seems even more ridiculous after seeing Jojo since Jotaro could only overcome time stop because his Stand had the same ability.
i rewatched the episode and it's actually both.
first, Hit can stop time for 0.1 seconds. then, when he starts his growth, he goes to 0.2 seconds (that's when they say "one fifth of a second"). later in the fight, he then goes up to 0.5.
In kana, it would be "フリーザ" ("furīza"), and in our alphabet, it's meant to be spelled "Freeza".
Anyway, yeah, "Frieza" isn't much better than "Freezer"...
Dominican Power
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Kaikoen with SS Blue would of looked better without the blue aura shroud. It looks fucking cheesy with the blue shroud and the kaikoen red shroud.
Should've been purple as a tribute to Prince.
Well how do they spell Freezer in japanese ?
I doubt it's much different from "furiza". So why would ours be Freeza ?
The Japanese word for it iirc is 冷凍庫 (reikougo). It's different enough.
edit: Although looking at a japanese dictionary briefly (I am a nub at this stuff) it appears there's a common kana usage which is along the lines of furi-za
ArchedThunder
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DBGT had way better music than DB Super has had, though.
For all the hate and anger the DBZ Faulconer Productions score gets from some people, at least it was actually, you know, good, unique, characters had themes, there was a mix of styles, etc.
The Funi GT score though is just bland, it has like one main riff and the rest is just this brooding slide guitar and Metallica-easque snare drum, this track pretty much covers the ENTIRE range of the music in Funi GT.
Although, for the brother, the pun appears to also be on the Japanese "kuura", which might explain why Japanese merchandise used the alphabet spelling "Coora".
I don't agree supers music is totally cheese ball and basically elevator music but its more memorable to me that GT looping guitars
ArchedThunder
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I don't remember GT having looping guitars at all. It mainly had piano music.
Even SSJ4 was terrible. Leather pants and mullets and body hair. Noooo thanks.
I like the idea of the transformation. Kinda. But eh. Vegeta achieving it with a machine ruined that for me too.
That's true, I've never watched japanese GT and I doubt I ever will. it's just not worth it
NCR Redslayer
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The way I understand Hit's power and Goku's ability to work around it, is that the beginning and (particularly) end of the time freeze aren't instantaneous, but continuous. So it'd go like.
1) Time flows normally
2) Hit stops time. Time screechs to a halt
3) Time Freeze. Hit can move around, attack people, etc
4) Time starts moving again slowly
5) Time resumes normal flow
So Goku applies his extra speed during (4), which Hit isn't used to.
When Hit extends his technique, since he may be applying extra "force" to extend the time freeze, (2) and (4) become shorter and more drastic, and Goku's speed may not be able to keep up. Most people, even Vegeta, aren't fast enough to perceive (2) and (4), but it takes Kaiohken to do it. It is completely possible that even Hit isn't fast enough to perceive (2) and (4).
Jotaro would counterattack during (3), but Goku does it during (4).
1) Time flows normally
2) Hit stops time. Time screechs to a halt
3) Time Freeze. Hit can move around, attack people, etc
4) Time starts moving again slowly
5) Time resumes normal flow
So Goku applies his extra speed during (4), which Hit isn't used to.
When Hit extends his technique, since he may be applying extra "force" to extend the time freeze, (2) and (4) become shorter and more drastic, and Goku's speed may not be able to keep up. Most people, even Vegeta, aren't fast enough to perceive (2) and (4), but it takes Kaiohken to do it. It is completely possible that even Hit isn't fast enough to perceive (2) and (4).
Jotaro would counterattack during (3), but Goku does it during (4).
Just watched the episode and it was brilliant!
Hit is ridiculously OP. He literally stops time and his abilities improve as the battle goes on. That is just mind-boggling. He's considerably more powerful than the saiyans and has more scope for improvement so I'm hoping we see continued development of Hit as the show goes on.
With this King of All appearing, I highly doubt Beerus is going to wish for anything malicious or out of line. He'll probably wish for a delicacy of a planet he destroyed and that's it. Predictable but that'd be classic Toriyama.
Hit is ridiculously OP. He literally stops time and his abilities improve as the battle goes on. That is just mind-boggling. He's considerably more powerful than the saiyans and has more scope for improvement so I'm hoping we see continued development of Hit as the show goes on.
With this King of All appearing, I highly doubt Beerus is going to wish for anything malicious or out of line. He'll probably wish for a delicacy of a planet he destroyed and that's it. Predictable but that'd be classic Toriyama.
I was talkin' at the very start of the episode, they'd used 0.5 which ain't right lol.
Aaron Strife
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Has great music.
That is all
Funi axed the only good thing about the show in its original run
Chaotic-Strike
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He's talking about the American version that used a boring guitar riff as the leitmotif for nearly everything.
Thankfully the remastered DVD's allows Japanese music with English voices, and replaced that terrible intro rap for a proper dub of the original intro.
Byakuya769
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Dat intro tho
Speaking of GT and its music; Dragon Ball Kai had a pretty shitty rip-off of the GT opening theme:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odhuGelEH3g
The original is so much better:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwXek5Szpqk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odhuGelEH3g
The original is so much better:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwXek5Szpqk
Chaotic-Strike
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I don't see how the Kai intro theme was anything like the DBGT one, other than being in a similar genre.
You really don't think the melody is very similar? The first time I heard the Kai theme I was instantly reminded of GT.
Chaotic-Strike
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Icyflamez96
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I think the first 20 seconds or so especially sound blatantly similar.
I... guess I can hear it? It's not particularly similar though, and I think Dragon Soul is good in its own right.
Bacon_Boss
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Noticed this discussion and realized i'd never seen the kai endings and openings past Cell, some real winners here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAtY60KFIDc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmP1L_b5XPg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAtY60KFIDc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmP1L_b5XPg
Aaron Strife
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It starts out similarly (I had that same thought) but I think it diverges very quickly.
Btw those remastered GT DVDs? There's an option to watch it with the Funi dub music. Even when you select that, Dan Dan and the Japanese ending themes play. The GT rap has effectively been erased from existence.
Well, yeah. The rap existed as an opening for an extremely short amount of time. People now just use it as an excuse to shit on GT when you'll never encounter it.
i only watched DragonTeam's sub tho. they did use the numbers correctly.
makes sense. otherwise Goku couldn't attack even with all the speed in the world.
these are also completely different series so the moves are bound to be different in some ways.
I wasn't talkin' bout DT.
They're from the Jaco the Galactic Patrolman manga.
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