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[Daingurse]

Because they are the superior warrior race of the universe. Vegeta was right all along.

Although...didn't Frieza also use god ki in his golden form?

Nope, that was raw chi. Frieza really was quite monstrous when you think about it.

 

[Icyflamez96]

I always saw God Ki as a different kind of ki, considering the fact that Goku can mix his regular ki with god ki to make SSB.

I also think having god ki doesn't mean you automatically extremely powerful, but maybe it has more potential than regular ki has. And of course, you can mix them both together to be even more powerful.

 

[The Silver]

Because they are the superior warrior race of the universe. Vegeta was right all along.

Although...didn't Frieza also use god ki in his golden form?

No.

he was able to sense Goku's energy in SSB but none of the other characters make any mention of not being able to sense Golden Frieza's ki.(which they surely would have if we were meant to think he'd obtained god ki)

 

[Shanks D Zoro]

Nope, that was raw chi. Frieza really was quite monstrous when you think about it.

He sure is a beast.

Shame he didn't get to master his golden form and take on Beerus. Would be cool to see Beerus fight against someone whose intention is to kill.

 

[Undead Fantasy]

Ehhh, technically he's Piccolo's dad other half.

He is the reincarnation/clone of his "dad". Piccolo also has all of his "dad" memories. It's the same person really.

 

[Pepboy]

I've always figured the same way Dragon Ball characters were slowly given less screen time, the same is going to happen to the majority of the Z cast. Roshi/Yamcha/etc were always around in Z but not as much.

At this point in Z, it's Gohan/Vegeta/Krillin in Namek, with Krillin clearly getting less and less focus. I don't think F.Trunks will stay permanently, but I do foresee the next arcs with new/recent characters and not old characters.

With the history of villains becoming good, I would bet money Zamasu or Black join up.

I agree generally with that structure... But I don't think Black can join up. Too confusing from a merchandising angle. Also he has killed too many people, especially people the main characters know, like Future Bulma. He feels more like Nappa.

Zamasu, maybe. Because we haven't actually seen him do anything too villinaous directly. But it seems his philosophy is directly opposed.

Neither Frieza nor Cell became supporting characters. Buu arc pooped out Fat Buu (and Uub I guess).

I think the supporting characters were instead made in the past arc. Hit, Cappa (?), even Champa to some degree. Maybe they will seek their aid to take down Zamasu and Black.

 

[Kagari]

Piccolo fighting 17 actually made things worse since it allowed Cell to find the androids. So the fight may have been awesome, it was overall a bad thing. Also, someone of Namek Saga Frieza's strength would have been bested by a lot of characters by this point in Super, so it really isn't a bragging point.

I'm confused as to why that matters though? Plenty of things characters do in fiction result in unfavorable outcomes. It doesn't mean their actions should be discounted because what they did didn't bring a positive conclusion. As for your second part there, that was clear in the Buu arc but Piccolo's role as a mentor was still a welcome addition and a good example of a 'weaker fighter' putting in work.

 

[Durden77]

Probably because when SSJ God was created they had no idea they'd create SSJ Blue. The SSGSS name is pretty pointless anyway. It's only used in merchandising. It's never mentioned in the show or movie, and only mentioned in the manga to point out how silly it is.

That's not what they ever call it in the anime.

Well...good. but it's still dumb that it's technically called that unless the manga/anime says otherwise. All the merch, games, ect.

I bring it up because this weekend was Dragon Con was this weekend and there was a couple of SSGSS cos players. Trying to come up to some one and say "hey nice Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan" makes you feel like you should punch yourself in the face and reminded me how dumb it is. And I actually really LIKE the new forms.

 

[Shanks D Zoro]

I agree generally with that structure... But I don't think Black can join up. Too confusing from a merchandising angle. Also he has killed too many people, especially people the main characters know, like Future Bulma. He feels more like Nappa.

Zamasu, maybe. Because we haven't actually seen him do anything too villinaous directly. But it seems his philosophy is directly opposed.

Neither Frieza nor Cell became supporting characters. Buu arc pooped out Fat Buu (and Uub I guess).

I think the supporting characters were instead made in the past arc. Hit, Cappa (?), even Champa to some degree. Maybe they will seek their aid to take down Zamasu and Black.

Poor Vegeta, only reason he is part of the main group is because he couldn't actually kill anyone while on Earth, and nobody cares about killing Namekian kids

 

[Reset]

Poor Vegeta, only reason he is part of the main group is because he couldn't actually kill anyone while on Earth,

Buu arc?

Meh who cares if Piccolo is weak, he still has the best fight from the tournament arc.

 

[NandoGip]

I agree generally with that structure... But I don't think Black can join up. Too confusing from a merchandising angle. Also he has killed too many people, especially people the main characters know, like Future Bulma. He feels more like Nappa.

Zamasu, maybe. Because we haven't actually seen him do anything too villinaous directly. But it seems his philosophy is directly opposed.

Neither Frieza nor Cell became supporting characters. Buu arc pooped out Fat Buu (and Uub I guess).

I think the supporting characters were instead made in the past arc. Hit, Cappa (?), even Champa to some degree. Maybe they will seek their aid to take down Zamasu and Black.

Saiyan saga made Piccolo good, Namek saga converted Vegeta, Android saga was Android 16 and 18, Majin was Fat Buu. Im sure there are plenty more examples especially going back to Dragon Ball. Judging from the history of the show, you could see a villain from the tournament arc teaming up. Hit and Champa are the most likely but it'd be kind of random, so I don't really see that happening. Would not be surprised though.

But yeah I agree with you, I think Zamasu will be convert. His storyline screams "see the error in my ways" where he ends up defending mortals instead. My hot take: present immortal Zamasu stops being a villain after he meets with future immortal Zamasu and they fight.

I only threw Black in because weirder shit has happened, although good point the true big bads haven't converted (Kid Buu in Majin saga).

It's clear that the true enemy is going to arrive, which is whoever is inside of "Goku Black's" body.

 

[Magwik]

I think Hit was a preview of how this arc would go. It's actually a very similar situation. Vegeta gets fucked, and Goku is also no match with Hit/Black only getting stronger. If anything we were just taught last arc that Goku + Vegeta won't always be able to use brute force to win, while their weaknesses and refusal to work together that Whis pointed out is still an issue. I cant really see this arc being solved conventionally so I'm excited to see where things go from here.
Also if anyone joins up it will be Hit without a doubt. With Goku/Vegeta being less rivals and more equals, a rival sort of relationship for both of them would do wonders.

 

[Icyflamez96]

Saiyan saga made Piccolo good, Namek saga converted Vegeta, Android saga was Android 16 and 18, Majin was Fat Buu. Im sure there are plenty more examples especially going back to Dragon Ball. Judging from the history of the show, you could see a villain from the tournament arc teaming up. Hit and Champa are the most likely but it'd be kind of random, so I don't really see that happening. Would not be surprised though.

But yeah I agree with you, I think Zamasu will be convert. His storyline screams "see the error in my ways" where he ends up defending mortals instead. My hot take: present immortal Zamasu stops being a villain after he meets with future immortal Zamasu and they fight.

I only threw Black in because weirder shit has happened, although good point the true big bads haven't converted (Kid Buu in Majin saga).

It's clear that the true enemy is going to arrive, which is whoever is inside of "Goku Black's" body.

That's my prediction. Present Zamasu will see the error of his ways or something after some kind of thing with future Zamasu

 

[GaimeGuy]

Cell proclaimed that he could destroy a solar system, yet no one wanted to believe that, and Buu could rip through dimensions by screaming.

It's way too late to start complaining about power creep.

That's just no one understanding the scale of these things.



Master Roshi could destroy the moon (our moon is huge - 2% of the earth's volume), meaning that saiyan saga base goku (no kaioken) could blow up the earth (as could Vegeta).

The sun is 1,305,700 earth volumes, and 330,000 earth masses - in other words, when Frieza fought Goku (in the Frieza Saga), he would still have had to increase his power level by a factor of ~22 (going by mass) or ~87 (going by volume) to destroy the Sun.

He would then have to increase his power by a factor of ~10 trillion (going by volume) to destroy the solar system.

In other words, Frieza, circa Frieza Saga, times 870 trillion, equals solar system buster. Forget star clusters, galaxies, or universes.

 

[Mory Dunz]

When most people say they like Super Saiyan 2, they're usually talking about Gohan and his fight with Cell. Super Saiyan 2 is so connected to that moment that people link it with the form, despite the transformation being anything but great. If you need visible lightning to tell what form someone is using, then it isn't a good transformation.

uh, goku v vegeta?
vegeta vs fat buu?

then filler stuff like ssj2 goku vs kid buu.

 

[NCR Redslayer]

That's just no one understanding the scale of these things.



Master Roshi could destroy the moon (our moon is huge - 2% of the earth's volume), meaning that saiyan saga base goku (no kaioken) could blow up the earth (as could Vegeta).

The sun is 1,305,700 earth volumes, and 330,000 earth masses - in other words, when Frieza fought Goku (in the Frieza Saga), he would still have had to increase his power level by a factor of ~22 (going by mass) or ~87 (going by volume) to destroy the Sun.

He would then have to increase his power by a factor of ~10 trillion (going by volume) to destroy the solar system.

In other words, Frieza, circa Frieza Saga, times 870 trillion, equals solar system buster. Forget star clusters, galaxies, or universes.

Remember the time the earth was easily destroyed by Frieza in RoF? anybody could destroy the planet they were fighting on if they wanted.

 

[Slaythe]

Sazae - 12.4 %
Doraemon anniversary special - 9.6 %
Chibi Maruko-chan - 9.0 %
One Piece - 7.6 %
Dragon Ball Super - 6.8 %
Detective Conan - 6.1 %
Yokai Watch - 3.9 %
Ace Attorney - 3.4 %
Folktales from Japan - 3.2 %
Pokemon XY & Z - 3.0 %
RINNE2 - 3.0 %

Up 1.1% from last week.

 

[The Silver]

dem Yajirobe ratings

 

[sycam0re]

ssj2 rules and I'm glad they did cool stuff with it with trunks in the manga

also I would absolutely love more piccolo

i'm honestly shocked goku doesn't have more outfits than he does

dude should be wearing something different every arc

sell those toys and dlc

UMM where are the super toys, tony?

Where

U6 fighters, black and trunks when bandai

 

[ArchedThunder]

Motherfu... I knew this shit would happen.

Releases January and then a SSJ2 DBS Trunks and Black release in March (no images)
I'm never getting a Hit figure, am I?

I'm sure it's already been brought up before when the episode first aired, but man was this part amazing. Was completely blown away by how dynamic and crazy the animation was. This arc has been really good for this kind of stuff so far. I know we'll probably never have any one episode be perfectly animated due to Toei's animators constantly swapping in and out on projects due to packed schedules, but I at least hope we get a few more moments like this along the way.

That cut was by Shida and he's already scheduled to work on another episode of Super. Hopefully the first of many of Toei's talents coming to work on Super more regularly now that the schedule isn't complete garbage anymore.

That's just no one understanding the scale of these things.

Master Roshi could destroy the moon (our moon is huge - 2% of the earth's volume), meaning that saiyan saga base goku (no kaioken) could blow up the earth (as could Vegeta).

The sun is 1,305,700 earth volumes, and 330,000 earth masses - in other words, when Frieza fought Goku (in the Frieza Saga), he would still have had to increase his power level by a factor of ~22 (going by mass) or ~87 (going by volume) to destroy the Sun.

He would then have to increase his power by a factor of ~10 trillion (going by volume) to destroy the solar system.

In other words, Frieza, circa Frieza Saga, times 870 trillion, equals solar system buster. Forget star clusters, galaxies, or universes.

Cell could have destroyed the solar system by just destroying the sun.

 

[Freshmaker]

When

Spoiler

the KI blast knocked away Black & Zamasu's Deathball away I was secretly hoping it was Goku with a Halo violating the afterlife rules for a split second

Nah. Last second energy blast is vintage VEGETA.

It's how Vegeta killed Cell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQTGXtakaxE

Vegeta the true hero of the earth.

 

[HeroR]

Technically, we never saw Roshi's power level for his actual "fighting form", when he gets slightly more buff, like how he looked when he faced Tenshinhan. And the form that he used when he blew up the moon was even bigger. Back then, the Kamehameha also was almost a 2x multiplier.


He also had honor as a pretty big part of his inherent personality, even though it went against everything he learned from his master, which eventually leads to their conflict when they attempt to cheat during the finals against Goku. Of course, due to parting ways with his master, he immediately drops his former arrogance and tries to befriend Roshi's disciples, which I guess makes him too much of a "good guy" too quickly, compared to how long Piccolo and Vegeta took.

He also seemed to be wary of Vegeta even after he started living on Earth although they're pretty much ignoring that in the recent productions. Tenshinhan being the first to think that Vegeta might be betraying them in the Super version of RoF is the only reference to that so far through all of the recent material.

But, really, what hurts his popularity compared to the later rivals is that he never really got a power up that put him on high tier again after Goku surpassed him for the first time. So, he never got to be portrayed the powerhouse during Z itself. Piccolo was the strongest while Goku didn't arrive and got the two fusions, giving him relevance up to the Cell Saga, and Vegeta is hanging around there even nowadays, but once Tenshinhan was surpassed thanks to the true sacred water he never really got anything to place him on Goku's level again or actually give him some narrative focus for a while. And that's on top of being absent during all of Namek due to being dead.



Probably because when SSJ God was created they had no idea they'd create SSJ Blue. The SSGSS name is pretty pointless anyway. It's only used in merchandising. It's never mentioned in the show or movie, and only mentioned in the manga to point out how silly it is.

Even if we assumed Roshi was around 300 or even 400 hundred when he blew up the moon, that is still far behind Raditz who was 1200 and was supposed to be cannon fodder. My point is that power creep has existed in Dragon Ball since forever.

Tien still doesn't really have a personality outside of being a badass. Piccolo became softer and became a straight man to Goku, Goten, Trunks, and Gotenks, and has a special bond with Pan. Vegeta mellow out and became a family man. Tien hasn't developed sine he left his master and fans only seem to like him because he held down Cell for several seconds.

I'm confused as to why that matters though? Plenty of things characters do in fiction result in unfavorable outcomes. It doesn't mean their actions should be discounted because what they did didn't bring a positive conclusion. As for your second part there, that was clear in the Buu arc but Piccolo's role as a mentor was still a welcome addition and a good example of a 'weaker fighter' putting in work.

It matters because you can't call something an awesome moment if it actually make things worse in the long run. If Piccolo had never fought 17, Cell wouldn't have found the androids since they emitted no energy. Him acting as a giant energy beacon never even crossed his mind. So as nice as Piccolo and 17's fight was, I never saw it as cool since it was a big, 'nice job breaking it, hero' moment. Piccolo was far more useful as a mentor than a fighter.

uh, goku v vegeta?
vegeta vs fat buu?

then filler stuff like ssj2 goku vs kid buu.

Most of the Goku vs. Vegeta fight was filler since it only got a couple panels in the manga. Vegeta vs. Fat Buu was a one-sided beating for Vegeta, and it was only awesome because Vegeta blow himself up. Not to mention, Vegeta's Super Saiyan 2 looks so similar to Super Saiyan that you really need lightning to see if he's using that form.

Also, most people remember Super Saiyan 3 Goku vs. Kid Buu more than the warm-up Super Saiyan 2 fight.

 

[Shanks D Zoro]

Buu arc?

Meh who cares if Piccolo is weak, he still has the best fight from the tournament arc.

I know Vegeta kills in that arc, but he was already part of the gang ny then and was Maijin Vegeta, so they gave him a free pass.

Maybe they can go back in time and have Piccolo fuse with King Piccolo and then finally show off the true potential of the Nameless Namakian. Piccolo can be a Namekian god.

 

[HeroR]

I know Vegeta kills in that arc, but he was already part of the gang ny then and was Maijin Vegeta, so they gave him a free pass.

Maybe they can go back in time and have Piccolo fuse with King Piccolo and then finally show off the true potential of the Nameless Namakian. Piccolo can be a Namekian god.

Piccolo is King Piccolo. That is why Kami was still alive after King Piccolo died.

Seriously, why are people using a What If from a video game as fact in this area?

 

[Shanks D Zoro]

Piccolo is King Piccolo. That is why Kami was still alive after King Piccolo died.

Seriously, why are people using a What If from a video game as fact in this area?

I didn't use it as fact. I just think it would be cool if they had Piccolo fuse with his oldself/father or however anyone wants to view him.

It would be nice if we had some heroes involved in major battles that are not just saiyans. Hopefully, hit will become that character in the future.

 

[Linkstrikesback]

That's not what they ever call it in the anime.

I think they did one point jokingly when training at whis' place before settling on super saiyan blue.

 

[HeroR]

I think they did one point jokingly when training at whis' place before settling on super saiyan blue.

That was in the manga. There is no counterpart to that screen in the anime.

 

[Piers]

Probably because when SSJ God was created they had no idea they'd create SSJ Blue. The SSGSS name is pretty pointless anyway. It's only used in merchandising. It's never mentioned in the show or movie, and only mentioned in the manga to point out how silly it is.

It feels like the anime and manga are trying to do damage control on whatever meeting gave SSGSS the go-ahead. I wish they'd change it entirely to SSJB, but I'm assuming that's relegated to a simple in-universe nickname within the anime and manga, and it's still officially known as the former.

 

[KimiNewt]

With Zamasu being immortal, are we going to see the return of Mafuba?

Spoiler

lol no

Seriously though, why does Zamasu even need the Super Dragon Balls to be immortal? Can't he use the Earth or Namekian ones? It's like they've been forgotten.

 

[ArchedThunder]

With Zamasu being immortal, are we going to see the return of Mafuba?

Spoiler

lol no

Seriously though, why does Zamasu even need the Super Dragon Balls to be immortal? Can't he use the Earth or Namekian ones? It's like they've been forgotten.

He doesn't even know those exist... he only found out about the Super Dragon Balls because Gowasu was watching the tournament.

 

[HeroR]

It feels like the anime and manga are trying to do damage control on whatever meeting gave SSGSS the go-ahead. I wish they'd change it entirely to SSJB, but I'm assuming that's relegated to a simple in-universe nickname within the anime and manga, and it's still officially known as the former.

That is because Toriyama never gave it an official name and the Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan was created by what Toriyama called it in his notes for Resurrection 'F' and how Goku explained the form to Frieza. Basically, Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan is a Super Saiyan God merged with the normal Super Saiyan form. So, it's technically not even a new transformation, just an old transformation using god energy to boost the form.

Super Saiyan Blue is a nickname Toei or maybe the manga depending on how the meeting went, created since they couldn't get around the form being nameless forever like Gohan's Ultimate form or the Super Saiyan forms before Super Saiyan 2.

 

[ArchedThunder]

That is because Toriyama never gave it an official name and the Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan was created by what Toriyama called it in his notes for Resurrection 'F' and how Goku explained the form to Frieza. Basically, Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan is a Super Saiyan God merged with the normal Super Saiyan form. So, it's technically not even a new transformation, just an old transformation using god energy to boost the form.

Super Saiyan Blue is a nickname Toei or maybe the manga depending on how the meeting went, created since they couldn't get around the form being nameless forever like Gohan's Ultimate form or the Super Saiyan forms before Super Saiyan 2.

Or Toriyama named it Blue in his outline for the Champa arc...

 

[HeroR]

Or Toriyama named it Blue in his outline for the Champa arc...

That is a big assumption, especially since if that was the case why did it take the anime up to Episode 37 to call it Super Saiyan Blue, especially when the manga used the name months ahead of time. Goku could have called it Super Saiyan Blue when he was explaining the form to Frieza.

As far as we know the notes were a simple (Vegeta goes blue against Cabba) and Toei took it from there.

 

[sycam0re]

Motherfu... I knew this shit would happen.

I'm never getting a Hit figure, am I ?

YES! need it

arched I will pray to whoever for a hit figure. I want one, too. And not a funko pop one for the love of god

that said they probably won't make a DXF figure of him but probably release one of the regular 5.1" banpresto figures. the again this line is called "the super warriors" so idk

I would love an SHF figuarts of him but idk if they'll ever do it. Hopefully they'll make that announcement soon. tbqh I can see TN showing prototypes and never releasing it :/

With Zamasu being immortal, are we going to see the return of Mafuba?

Spoiler

lol no

Seriously though, why does Zamasu even need the Super Dragon Balls to be immortal? Can't he use the Earth or Namekian ones? It's like they've been forgotten.

I mean the reasonable conclusion would be that he uses the sdb to wish for immortality but we don't really know for sure yet, right? I mean, why wouldn't he just wish for a ningen-free universe. I'm sure the sdb could swing that. but it is looking like he'll wish for immortality

also new episode titles come out the end of the week

 

[ArchedThunder]

YES! need it

arched I will pray to whoever for a hit figure. I want one, too. And not a funko pop one for the love of god

that said they probably won't make a DXF figure of him but probably release one of the regular 5.1" banpresto figures. the again this line is called "the super warriors" so idk

I would love an SHF figuarts of him but idk if they'll ever do it. Hopefully they'll make that announcement soon. tbqh I can see TN showing prototypes and never releasing it :/

I'll take a keychain at this point, I mean fuck, Frost got a keychain.
Tamashi Nations said they are going to have a lot more Dragon Ball figures release next year, so hopefully we don't see any awesome figures at their event coming up that never actually release.
SH Figuarts or Master Stars Piece Hit is what I really want though.

 

[Shanks D Zoro]

Anyone know about the quality of the Goku figure with the collectors edition of Xenoverse?

 

[NeonZ]

That is a big assumption, especially since if that was the case why did it take the anime up to Episode 37 to call it Super Saiyan Blue, especially when the manga used the name months ahead of time. Goku could have called it Super Saiyan Blue when he was explaining the form to Frieza.

SSJ Blue wasn't used until the Cabba battle in the anime version of the Champa battle, but as soon as it appeared there it got named. It wasn't named before because its only previous appearance was during the RoF remake. The name didn't pop up in the RoF remake likely because it was part of the outline for the Champa arc, not RoF. The anime only had a single scene foreshadowing Champa before the Champa arc itself started. They didn't put any real effort into foreshadowing the upcoming story, so not making an early use of SSJ Blue fits in just fine with that.

Besides, we've seen several examples of something happening in the manga much earlier than the anime, aside from the aforementioned Champa destroying planets while looking for the Super Dragonballs, there's also Kaioshin and Kibito defusing and the reveal of the God of Destruction/Kaioshin connection (in real time, the anime's reveal came just after the manga, but the manga reveal was at a much earlier point of the story.

Edit: Actually, I've just remembered something - when Goku explains SSJBlue to Freeza in the Super version, there's an added line that wasn't in the movie where Freeza calls the explanation quite a mouthful. Although it's clearly not the same as the manga scene, and SSJ Blue isn't named there, that extra comment might have been based on the same point of the outline that led to Toyotaro making that joke in the beginning of his U6 arc. Also, the idea of Toyotaro just renaming the SSJ form like that is kind of crazy. In a situation like that, Toei wouldn't need to follow him at all and could just have continued with SSGSS like Bandai did.

Edit2: Besides, now we have a new form called Super Saiyan Rose. And Toyotaro used the Super Saiyan Blue name when talking with Toriyama in an interview. Whether Blue came from Toriyama or not, it's clear that he's taking it as the actual name of the form now.

 

[sycam0re]

Anyone know about the quality of the Goku figure with the collectors edition of Xenoverse?

it's apparently pretty good. the master stars piece figures look pretty nice. plus, they are pretty big, at least 10"

if they did the black and white manga colored version I would have bought it in a heartbeat.

 

[Kagari]

I'll take a keychain at this point, I mean fuck, Frost got a keychain.
Tamashi Nations said they are going to have a lot more Dragon Ball figures release next year, so hopefully we don't see any awesome figures at their event coming up that never actually release.
SH Figuarts or Master Stars Piece Hit is what I really want though.

There is a keychain one coming actually. There's something off about that Trunks figure though... I think it's his proportions. The Resolution of Soldiers one has his long-haired look from the Cell arc though. That line is really impressive.

 

[Shanks D Zoro]

it's apparently pretty good. the master stars piece figures look pretty nice. plus, they are pretty big, at least 10"

if they did the black and white manga colored version I would have bought it in a heartbeat.

Cheers, gonna have a think about getting it.

 

[Shanlei91]

Edit: Also, RoF outfit SSB Vegeta is perfection, he should keep that outfit.

That SSB Vegeta figure is why I canceled my preorder for collector's edition Xenoverse 2 - I found out the people who make that Vegeta also make the Goku in the collector's edition. Instead of a Goku statue I'd rather get the base game for $72 less and spend $20 on a Vegeta figure.

That outfit is the best.

 

[LordOfChaos]

I agree generally with that structure... But I don't think Black can join up. Too confusing from a merchandising angle. Also he has killed too many people, especially people the main characters know, like Future Bulma. He feels more like Nappa.

I don't think he'll join for other reasons, but as a point of argument...Does anyone remember that Vegeta committed literal genocide on many planets? And the crew accepted and in some cases married him, lol.

 

[Anth0ny]

UMM where are the super toys, tony?

Where

U6 fighters, black and trunks when bandai

I have no idea wtf they're doing with the merch. it's dumb.

all I've seen for the last arc are in the UDM Burst line, which are gashapon:

no larger figures, no hit, no super saiyajin god super saiyajin kaioken x 20 son gokuh-san-kun.

 

[Icyflamez96]

at least ya boy champa got a figure

 

[sleverfunk]

who's stronger? vegito vs gogeta?
hmmm

 

[Icyflamez96]

who's stronger? vegito vs gogeta?
hmmm

Earring fusion is stronger.

 

[Village]

who's stronger? vegito vs gogeta?
hmmm

Veggerot

 

[Momentary]

who's stronger? vegito vs gogeta?
hmmm

Earring fusion > Dance.

 

[sleverfunk]

Earring fusion is stronger.

Earring fusion > Dance.

why is potara stronger? my lore memory is hazy.

 

[Error404SwagNotFound]

who's stronger? vegito vs gogeta?
hmmm

Pretty sure it's always been the Potara fusion. It doesn't suffer from the time limit and the jump in power from Goku and Vegeta to Vegito always seemed more significant than the jump to Gogeta. But Gogeta wasn't around very long in Z, so it's hard to tell.