I think Sony will cut them a check that we don't hear about and we never see it on Switch in the West.
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I think Sony will cut them a check that we don't hear about and we never see it on Switch in the West.
If you think Sony would pay money for DQXI's exclusivity in the west, think again.
Horii will does whatever he want.
Jaded Alyx
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Lightning Lord
Banned
What does the GBA, a system that has long since been discontinued, have to do with the 3DS, a system that is still being sold in stores?
The answer is nothing.
I know it's fun to imagine but the 3DS isn't going to just magically drop dead once the new year rolls in.
frankie_baby
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Its dragon quest, I'd be shocked if sony even bothered doing a marketing deal cheque
Gotdatmoney
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3DS software sales have fallen off a cliff. By the time this game will be released it's going to be a battle for any 3DS titles to put up good numbers.
Especially considering it would mean SquareEnix shutting out a partner that has made it very clear that they are invested in Dragon Quest's success in the west.
even if sony gave a shit about DQ in the west... that would be a 12+ month old game they're going out of their way to cockblock
obviously?
it's not a bad game, and the style suits the 3DS...but thats where it should stay. it already looks poor at the current 3DS resolution. sharpening it will just bring out the ugly.
calling for it to be the Switch version is the only sin here. If it came to Switch at some point as a high-res 3DS port, that would be cool. but only if we got the PS4 version on Switch.
So it'll be the PS4 version running at 720p with a few special effects turned off , worse AA , lower draw distance and potential frame rate issues but otherwise it'll be a pretty nice looking game for a portable version. I'll probably still grab the PS4 edition myself.
Wonder what the odds are that Nintendo releases the 3DS version stateside and square does the PS4 edition themselves ... Could potentially be the last big game released for 3DS.
Wonder what the odds are that Nintendo releases the 3DS version stateside and square does the PS4 edition themselves ... Could potentially be the last big game released for 3DS.
ArtHands
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thereÂ’s nothing but presumption in this post.
Megalosaro
Banned
The world of the PS4 is too empty. The character animations are pretty lifeless. And the battle system is too slow.
spazchicken
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How cool it would have been if it was all three visual styles in one, to toggle through.
That may have pushed me to buy a Switch sooner than I planned to.
That may have pushed me to buy a Switch sooner than I planned to.
ShockingAlberto
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Multiple engine changes might be difficult.
Yep. Is not like SE is Capcom.
Smiles and Cries
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good to know day 1 for me
Yeah but DQXI does not have a GBA version. What's your point exactly?
Cow Mengde
Banned
People care about Dragon Quest in the west?
Didn't you know? Switch can't do cel-shading.
True, but how much are we expecting from DQ in the west in total? With multilple SKUs it could do more than 1 million but I'm not expecting too much more than that. If 3DS can still pull a couple hundred thousand it might be worth it. Especially since the Switch version performance in the west is a wildcard imo.
Depends how far away is the localization. Late 2018/early 2019? I can see pulling ~100k a challenge.
It'd be a bad effort to not have the game make 2018 in the west. Especially if there's no VA.
Assuming 2018, it's up in the air. I guess we'll see how MHS, EO5, Strange Redux, Radiant Historia, sell to get a small baseline for how RPGs still do on 3DS into early 2018.
Though DQ11 is bigger than all of those.
GhostTrick
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Why not ? It's not like Sony is stranger to pay to delay/silence a game on another platform. Happened with FFX HD, happened with Nioh, may have happened with Nier Automata.
GreenMakoEyes
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Are we sure about that?
GhostTrick
Banned
Well... The port was sitting for 9 months finished on the SteamDB and released 1 year day for day after the PS4 release so...
GreenMakoEyes
Member
I see, that seems.. likely.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
Is there a reason they wonÂ’t? they have been doing that rather frequently
You don't see how it would be a waste of money?
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
Why will that be a waste of money?
Magicpaint
Member
They didn't pay for exclusivity with FFXV which has much bigger clout in NA than DQ so why would they do it for DQXI? I just can't see any tangible benefits here.
Sony doesn't pay SE for games like FFX to remain platform exclusive. SE just has a really weird idea of what games are 'right' for each platform.
Gotdatmoney
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I have to imagine they will want to pull 1 million. But I find it tough to believe a summer 2018 game on the 3DS will pull hundreds of thousands of units in the west. Switch is a toss up but I dont feel like its that mucch of a toss up. By the time DQ11 launches it should be floating around 15m units. With the correct marketing it should do fine.
The PS4 version has the best odds of being the better selling version as there are far more PS4 compared to Switches in the West. The West also tends to exalt features like graphical effects and resolution over portability.
I suspect that Dragon Quest will likely start shrinking in the West since its design is counter to Western expectations. The series will probably sell somewhere what 8 did, not much more or less. It's not a series that Sony needs to invest an exclusivity agreement in to get a few more sales. It hasn't mattered much that DQ hasn't been on PlayStation for the past decade, and it won't matter much when it is finally released.
Even if you are a huge DQ fan (such as myself) you shouldn't let that cloud your expectations. It's just not a very important series in the West.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
Well then perhaps you should try viewing from Sony point of view with long term benefit, because its far beyond just making this game sell better on PS4; it is not just getting more sales in the West. Its about shifting the fanbase in the West to the Playstation, which SE is trying to go after to improve the series sales in the west. Sony is trying to use the fanbase in the West to secure the future installment of the series for themselves exclusively in the East.
Questions:
1) Why would Square-Enix want to tie down DQ again if they're clearly going for a multiplatform strategy from this point forward?
2) Why on earth would Sony want to secure exclusivity for a series that's struggled to sell anything remarkable in the west, even on their systems?
Douche McBaggins The 3rd
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They're Capcpom. Call them by name.
GhostTrick
Banned
Releasing 1 year later day for day, with a port sitting finished on the SteamDB for 9 months ? Allow me to be skepitcal about this. Especially after the Nier Automata fiasco where SE announced a release date after PS4 release. So the idea that Sony would pay for an exclusive isn't far fetched.
TwistedFreeze
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Isn't this game well known as a poor effort port or am I mistaking it for something else?
That's a quick Koei Tecmo port released at launch. It should not be used to judge anything.
Ah yes a game made by Koei is a strong argument indeed.
Are there any examples of this type of deal happening, ever? Sony money-hatting Western exclusivity from a Japanese developer?
But the PC release date was announced a week before the PS4 version was released. Do you have an explanation for why Sony would pay for a deal to hide the PC release date that doesn't even hide it until the PS4 release date and gives people ample time to switch to the PC version? Because that sounds extremely far-fetched to me, as does the idea of paying for a year of exclusivity on a port of a remaster of a 14-year-old game that has already been out for over a year on two other platforms.
mejin
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But is still just huge speculation. What took SE so long to bring FFIX to PS4? What about FFVIII? Did Sony pay for FFXII temporary exclusivity too? Dissidia FF? SE decisions, simple and plain. Just like Namco announced Ni no Kuni II, Tekken 7 and Ace Combat 7 first for PS4. What would Sony gain to do this kind of shit?
Nioh could probably be a real ps4 exclusive if Sony wanted to($$$), it was announced as a PS3 exclusive bach then. Who knows?
We could stretch further...Sony is paying to SEGA/Atlus to not bring Persona and Yakuza to another platforms, for example.
Endless thoughts if we think like this IMO.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
1)I said to see this from Sony point of view. Sony is trying to make SE reconsider about going multiplatform. Sony wants the series exclusively. They are doing it by making sure the title sell as poorly as possible on Switch.
2)Like I said again, the exclusivity isn't about trying to sell more in the West. Its about shifting the fanbase in the West to the Playstation, because Sony know SE is trying to appeal to those fanbase in the West to grow the series outside Japan. With the fanbase on the Playstation in the West, it is much more likely SE will release future installment on the Playstation platform (especially in the East).
But there's barely a fan base to speak of. Certainly, they didn't show up for the spinoffs that saw release on the PS4.
I mean, there's a far more compelling argument for them to have opened up the checkbook for Monster Hunter World, and that's multiplatform in the west. DQ has absolutely no power worth pursuing for western audiences to try to corral them into a specific version.
Orniletter
Banned
A different game in a different genre by a different developer that was a launch game at that (note that DF didn't even test the full version, they tested the demo) sure does say hi !
frankie_baby
Member
Isnt there also supposed to be noticably better performance from the full version compared to the demo