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Driveclub delayed, PSN+ replacement is Contrast

This news sucks but it's not going to hurt their launch one bit. GAF is still a very small niche in the scope of the industry and the general consumer won't care one bit, unfortunately. Especially when the console still costs $100 less than its closest competition.

Sony still has Killzone, which is the only nextgen exclusive with a robust multiplayer mode that'll likely have a very active community from the get go. Driveclub would have been nice to have at launch but I'd be fooling myself if I said I was looking forward to it for anything other than showcasing graphics.
 
) You're paying $399 (+$50-plus for a good chunk of you) for a console that - unless you're a Killzone fan - has seemingly little to offer for the launching price-point.

Worrying more about the PS4 based on what exactly, Driveclub delay? Holy shit, stop the presses!

Unless your a Killzone fan? I fucking hate Killzone and won't touch it. PS4 is still my console of choice in November because for some reason I realize I want to play the best versions of multi-platform games on my new console. Magically there is a fantastic launch line-up supplemented by great indie games. Throw in the fact I'll grab a PS+ subscription, because logically I know these games ARE free. (Who is going to cancel and not play multi-player, people will have a sub the whole generation.) and then my launch line-up is suddenly burst at the seems with free games.

Oh and throw in the fact Sony is offering me, free of charge PS4 versions of games I already purchased on PS3/PSV and my launch line-up suddenly throws me into backlog territory instantly, fuck!

Then just around the corner we have InFamous which (for me) is the best next generation game announced so far (been a fanboy since the first game.) coming out in February then further propped up my a great and strengthening Spring-Summer season with Driveclub and Watch_Dogs now coming out in that season.

Which THEN rolls my ass into the Fall 2014 season (let's face it, every console, platform ever has a weak-ass summer) where Sony will burst their load all over my console causing me to fall deep into a back-log when I include multi-platform games.


So fuck me and everyone else with logic for not giving a shit about a delayed DriveClub (which for the record, I won't even download on PS+ for free).
 
The XB1 launch lineup looks more and more depleted by the day. Third-party support weakening and a less-than-respectable showing from their first-party studios. (Forza and... what else?) Ryse looks like a fun time, but I would feel much more comfortable buying into a platform, if it wasn't asking me to bank on such an unknown factor panning out. Obviously, we don't know how ANY game will turn out until it's actually here... I guess what I'm trying to say is that Microsoft's launch lineup should give me an idea of what Microsoft is all about.

The bottom line is, like a majority of people on this forum, I'm just here for the games. That's it. It's not about brand loyalty, not about "Based Mattrick" or anything like that. It's just about the games. If a launch title, Killzone (for example), could be a game that I'm playing five years from now, would I really regret picking up the PS4 at launch because I thought it could be something special? Not at all. (To each their own. If you're a Forza fan, then by all means - enjoy! It's just hard for me to get excited for Forza 5, personally, after playing Forza 4.)

All I'm saying is that, yes, there SHOULD BE concern surrounding the XB1. Probably not as much as I have, but still. (That's not to say that the PS4 doesn't give me cause for concern, but at this point, I find myself worrying more about the XB1.) You're paying $499 (+$60-plus for a good chunk of you) for a console that - unless you're a Forza fan - has seemingly little to offer for the launching price-point.

I changed very little in this post, I thought you should read it back.
 
I'd play Contrast far more than Driveclub ps+ edition so this isn't a big thing to me. No big racer on launch is a new one though, isn't it.
 
I am saying i am not sure have being a indie game diminishing anything unless of course its not your type of game :)

Indeed it is not. I might load it up to have a look but, yeah, I doubt it's my type of game.

If the word "indie" is a qualifier for whether you like the game or not, that's pretty sad.

What is sad about it? Do you not have certain things that you don't like?
 
Despite this meaning one more PS+ game in the long run and being unlikely to affect PS4 sales at all, it does make me wonder why I'm even buying the console at launch.
 
"Free games?" Why are we lying about this? You're paying $50+ for those games to become "free", and remain free for the duration of your subscription.

The PS4 launch lineup looks more and more depleted by the day. Third-party support weakening and a less-than-respectable showing from their first-party studios. (Killzone and... what else?) Resogun looks like a fun time, but I would feel much more comfortable buying into a platform, if it wasn't asking me to bank on such an unknown factor panning out. Obviously, we don't know how ANY game will turn out until it's actually here... I guess what I'm trying to say is that Sony's launch lineup should give me an idea of what Sony is all about.

No, I'm not basing my console-purchase decision on launch games. I'm determining the platform I want based on games, PERIOD. I've heard so many people around here say things like "Wow... Dead Rising and Forza. Enjoy buying a console for launch titles when PS4 is pushing out their heavy-hitters in 2014." The bottom line is, like a majority of people on this forum, I'm just here for the games. That's it. It's not about brand loyalty, not about "Based Cerny" or anything like that. It's just about the games. If a launch title, Dead Rising 3 (for example), could be a game that I'm playing five years from now, would I really regret picking up the Xbox One at launch because I thought it could be something special? Not at all. (To each their own. If you're a Killzone fan, then by all means - enjoy! It's just hard for me to get excited for Shadow Fall, personally, after playing Killzone 3.)

All I'm saying is that, yes, there SHOULD BE concern surrounding the PS4. Probably not as much as I have, but still. (That's not to say that the Xbox One doesn't give me cause for concern, but at this point, I find myself worrying more about the PS4.) You're paying $399 (+$50-plus for a good chunk of you) for a console that - unless you're a Killzone fan - has seemingly little to offer for the launching price-point.

I really wish I had the Jim Carrey gif for this because I have no idea what the hell you are talking about or who you are talking to.
 
Your assuming all parts of the game are below expectation and need work and/or the parts that do need work can be worked on by the full development team.

If they are delayed because they are well behind on network play then, those aren't the same people working on that, as working on the graphics pipeline, not everyone works on everything so if only some things are behind schedule then it is unlikely people working on other aspects of the game will just sit on their hands.

Yep, but no one has had anything positive to say about the game form hands-on previews and it seems to suffer from Forza 5 syndrome with regards to cars on track. To delay until sometime next year isn't small - you imagine Evo are accounting moving their resources around in this time frame assuming parts of the game are done. Swinging back to what people seem hooked up on though, shifting possible idle hands around isn't going to magic 60FPS.
 
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So fuck me and everyone else with logic for not giving a shit about a delayed DriveClub (which for the record, I won't even download on PS+ for free).
Thats a lot of words to say "I don't give a shit"

Yep, but no one has had anything positive to say about the game form hands-on previews and it seems to suffer from Forza 5 syndrome with regards to cars on track.
As somebody who has been following this game with interest this does seem to be true. I haven't really seen many positive impressions from people who got actual hands on time. I've seen plenty of middling and negative impressions though, but if this thread is anything to go by, many of those people just might not have been into racing games.
 
Shame for delay... but they delayed free game that will still be free when it comes out.

As long the game is good, it will be fine.
 
I just never understood them releasing their game so close to GT6.

Either way I hope everything works out well...I hope its January 2014 or early Feb.

MLB The Show is coming out that thime.
 
One or two extra retail exclusive titles doesn't automatically make Xbone launch line up "better" than the PS4's larger launch line up. Really wish people would stop with this assumption.

Gonna be a moot point a couple of months into 2014 when it doesn't even have that one or two boxed exclusive check point advantage anyways... which should probably be around the time the initial rush for the two machines dies down and both are readily available on shelves handily enough.

What'll the story be then I wonder?

The PS4 launch lineup looks more and more depleted by the day. Third-party support weakening and a less-than-respectable showing from their first-party studios.

ASS TALES! OOO WOOO OOO!
 
"Free games?" Why are we lying about this? You're paying $50+ for those games to become "free", and remain free for the duration of your subscription.

The PS4 launch lineup looks more and more depleted by the day. Third-party support weakening and a less-than-respectable showing from their first-party studios. (Killzone and... what else?) Resogun looks like a fun time, but I would feel much more comfortable buying into a platform, if it wasn't asking me to bank on such an unknown factor panning out. Obviously, we don't know how ANY game will turn out until it's actually here... I guess what I'm trying to say is that Sony's launch lineup should give me an idea of what Sony is all about.

No, I'm not basing my console-purchase decision on launch games. I'm determining the platform I want based on games, PERIOD. I've heard so many people around here say things like "Wow... Dead Rising and Forza. Enjoy buying a console for launch titles when PS4 is pushing out their heavy-hitters in 2014." The bottom line is, like a majority of people on this forum, I'm just here for the games. That's it. It's not about brand loyalty, not about "Based Cerny" or anything like that. It's just about the games. If a launch title, Dead Rising 3 (for example), could be a game that I'm playing five years from now, would I really regret picking up the Xbox One at launch because I thought it could be something special? Not at all. (To each their own. If you're a Killzone fan, then by all means - enjoy! It's just hard for me to get excited for Shadow Fall, personally, after playing Killzone 3.)

All I'm saying is that, yes, there SHOULD BE concern surrounding the PS4. Probably not as much as I have, but still. (That's not to say that the Xbox One doesn't give me cause for concern, but at this point, I find myself worrying more about the PS4.) You're paying $399 (+$50-plus for a good chunk of you) for a console that - unless you're a Killzone fan - has seemingly little to offer for the launching price-point.
Hmm thats new to me I thought the 3rd party support is very strong so far.
 
#DRIVECLUB.com must have been in pretty bad shape to delay it at this point. Probably for the best. Haven't heard about Contrast, I'll check that out.
 
Worrying more about the PS4 based on what exactly, Driveclub delay? Holy shit, stop the presses!

Unless your a Killzone fan? I fucking hate Killzone and won't touch it. PS4 is still my console of choice in November because for some reason I am to realize I want to play the best versions of multi-platform games on my new console. Magically there is a fantastic launch line-up supplemented by great indie games. Throw in the fact I'll grab a PS+ subscription, because logically I know these games ARE free. (Who is going to cancel and not play multi-player, people will have a sub the whole generation.) and then my launch line-up is suddenly burst at the seems with free games.

Oh and throw in the fact Sony is offering me, free of charge PS4 versions of games I already purchased on PS3/PSV and my launch line-up suddenly throws me into backlog territory instantly, fuck!

Then just around the corner we have InFamous which (for me) is the best next generation game announced so far (been a fanboy since the first game.) coming out in February then further propped up my a great and strengthening Spring-Summer season with Driveclub and Watch_Dogs now coming out in that season.

Which THEN rolls my ass into the Fall 2014 season (let's face it, every console, platform ever has a weak-ass summer) where Sony will burst their load all over my console causing me to fall deep into a back-log when I include multi-player games.


So fuck me and everyone else with logic for not giving a shit about a delayed DriveClub (which for the record, I won't even download on PS+ for free).

Way to miss the fucking point, man. It's not about DriveClub. You think I'm worried, because of DriveClub? I wasn't interested in that game. My point is, I'm finding that less and less about the PS4 is actually for me. I happen to feel that PS4 is making a name for itself less by being "PlayStation" and more by being "Not Xbox One." Maybe I should have just said that from the beginning.
 
Is Flower cross buy? What else is?
From the PS Blog: "Finally, these are all Cross-Buy games, meaning if you buy it once, you’ll be able to download it for free on any available system."

Does that mean if I have already the PS3 version of these games, that I get them free for PS4 and Vita (and Escape Plan for Vita --> free PS4)? That would be great.
 
"Free games?" Why are we lying about this? You're paying $50+ for those games to become "free", and remain free for the duration of your subscription.
The PS4 launch lineup looks more and more depleted by the day. Third-party support weakening and a less-than-respectable showing from their first-party studios. (Killzone and... what else?) Resogun looks like a fun time, but I would feel much more comfortable buying into a platform, if it wasn't asking me to bank on such an unknown factor panning out. Obviously, we don't know how ANY game will turn out until it's actually here... I guess what I'm trying to say is that Sony's launch lineup should give me an idea of what Sony is all about.

No, I'm not basing my console-purchase decision on launch games. I'm determining the platform I want based on games, PERIOD. I've heard so many people around here say things like "Wow... Dead Rising and Forza. Enjoy buying a console for launch titles when PS4 is pushing out their heavy-hitters in 2014." The bottom line is, like a majority of people on this forum, I'm just here for the games. That's it. It's not about brand loyalty, not about "Based Cerny" or anything like that. It's just about the games. If a launch title, Dead Rising 3 (for example), could be a game that I'm playing five years from now, would I really regret picking up the Xbox One at launch because I thought it could be something special? Not at all. (To each their own. If you're a Killzone fan, then by all means - enjoy! It's just hard for me to get excited for Shadow Fall, personally, after playing Killzone 3.)

All I'm saying is that, yes, there SHOULD BE concern surrounding the PS4. Probably not as much as I have, but still. (That's not to say that the Xbox One doesn't give me cause for concern, but at this point, I find myself worrying more about the PS4.) You're paying $399 (+$50-plus for a good chunk of you) for a console that - unless you're a Killzone fan - has seemingly little to offer for the launching price-point.

this is a joke post...... right? I mean this is just incredible. :D



PS: I pay for xbl every year and I literally got nothing.
 
Despite this meaning one more PS+ game in the long run and being unlikely to affect PS4 sales at all, it does make me wonder why I'm even buying the console at launch.

I'm buying for the same reason I was buying it before. I want it now. I'm going to buy AC4 and try out the free games and mess around with remote play.

Luckily, neither of these delays impacts me a bit.
 
30 to 60 is a huge leap, it's an entire rethinking of the pipeline. I would be pretty shocked if that happens.

It's way to late for that kind of change in my opinion. The game was designed for 30 fps after all. It's stated for release in early 2014, there is no way it'll get anywhere close to 60 fps in a few short months.
 
I have no console of choice, I plan to get both like I did last gen. chill, don't getso heated. it's just a good natured debate.

Oh really now. Could have fooled me when you posted this!

This does not look good for Sony at all.

X1 now has
Ryse which the new trailer looks stunning.
Forza 5(A racing game at launch, which is a must)
and everybody seems to be forgetting about how insanely awesome Dead Rising 3 looks.

This is a huge blow for Sony. I almost feel like Sony jumped the gun on their system and launched it in response to Microsoft with a bit of insider knowledge perhaps that wasn't accurate. Though I do think the initial system did surprise Microsoft they're now able to counteract. Launching without a racing game is almost suicide for the mass market. Will see how they do now.
 
I don't understand the people that say they're gonna wait a few months or til early next year to buy it. I'm not trying to put anyone down or convince you not to but it just doesn't make sense to me. Are you guys expecting a price drop in the next 6 months? What benefit is there to waiting if there's at least 1 game you may be interested in right now? There's not really anything I want to play right now, but I'm picking up the PS4 so I can play some sports games (FIFA/NBA) with family over the holidays. I don't need to, but I'm going to get one sometime in the next year (for the eventual ND/SSM/TLG games) so I might as well get it now.
 
From the PS Blog: "Finally, these are all Cross-Buy games, meaning if you buy it once, you’ll be able to download it for free on any available system."

Does that mean if I have already the PS3 version of these games, that I get them free for PS4 and Vita? That would be great.

Yes, it should definitely work retrospectively too.
 
The word delusional has been thrown around a lot in this thread (not saying you are), but thinking that this late in the design stage (which it is even with the delay) is suddenly going to magic 60FPS is delusional.

It's been delayed, obviously, because the game wasn't in a shipping state. There must have been some glaring bugs and errors that needed adressing and really take precedent over doubling the frame rate whilst keeping all the effects in play they have at 30FPS. The 30FPS target will have been nailed down a while back.

Is it impossible? No. But the extra grafting time will not be for or working towards 60FPS gameplay.

You're presuming that the issues are engine related... and they might be, but we don't know. Evolution are weird ones... their games seem to get graphically better by fairly substantial margins late in development. We saw this with both Motorstorm and Pacific Rift.

They said they were targeting 60 fps months ago. We obviously haven't seen any 60 fps footage at this point, but for all anyone knows, the delay is in part to reach that target.

Unlikely yes, but I don't see why I should write it off completely at this point when the delay gives the engine team more time to achieve something they have stated as a target.

I don't think I'm delusional, because I still acknowledge that 60 fps is *far* from confirmed, and I'm still very aware that the game might ship running at 30 fps.
 
I don't understand the people that say they're gonna wait a few months or til early next year to buy it. I'm not trying to put anyone down or convince you not to but it just doesn't make sense to me. Are you guys expecting a price drop in the next 6 months? What benefit is there to waiting if there's at least 1 game you may be interested in right now? There's not really anything I want to play right now, but I'm picking up the PS4 so I can play some sports games (FIFA/NBA) with family over the holidays. I don't need to, but I'm going to get one sometime in the next year (for the eventual ND/SSM/TLG games) so I might as well get it now.
I'm waiting because I need to put my money elsewhere and I want to have the hardware tested.
 
Was anyone only going to pick up driveclub and watch dogs?

Disappointing news but it's better than them putting out a broken game.
 
"Free games?" Why are we lying about this? You're paying $50+ for those games to become "free", and remain free for the duration of your subscription.

The PS4 launch lineup looks more and more depleted by the day. Third-party support weakening and a less-than-respectable showing from their first-party studios. (Killzone and... what else?) Resogun looks like a fun time, but I would feel much more comfortable buying into a platform, if it wasn't asking me to bank on such an unknown factor panning out. Obviously, we don't know how ANY game will turn out until it's actually here... I guess what I'm trying to say is that Sony's launch lineup should give me an idea of what Sony is all about.

No, I'm not basing my console-purchase decision on launch games. I'm determining the platform I want based on games, PERIOD. I've heard so many people around here say things like "Wow... Dead Rising and Forza. Enjoy buying a console for launch titles when PS4 is pushing out their heavy-hitters in 2014." The bottom line is, like a majority of people on this forum, I'm just here for the games. That's it. It's not about brand loyalty, not about "Based Cerny" or anything like that. It's just about the games. If a launch title, Dead Rising 3 (for example), could be a game that I'm playing five years from now, would I really regret picking up the Xbox One at launch because I thought it could be something special? Not at all. (To each their own. If you're a Killzone fan, then by all means - enjoy! It's just hard for me to get excited for Shadow Fall, personally, after playing Killzone 3.)

All I'm saying is that, yes, there SHOULD BE concern surrounding the PS4. Probably not as much as I have, but still. (That's not to say that the Xbox One doesn't give me cause for concern, but at this point, I find myself worrying more about the PS4.) You're paying $399 (+$50-plus for a good chunk of you) for a console that - unless you're a Killzone fan - has seemingly little to offer for the launching price-point.

Uhhmmm.... Multiplats and indies? It's all relative really.
 
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One or two extra retail exclusive titles doesn't automatically make Xbone launch line up "better" than the PS4's larger launch line up. Really wish people would stop with this assumption.

Gonna be a moot point a couple of months into 2014 when it doesn't even have that one or two boxed exclusive check point advantage anyways... which should probably be around the time the initial rush for the two machines dies down and both are readily available on shelves handily enough.

What'll the story be then I wonder?

At that point "true exclusives" will cease to be important anymore and it won't count if a game is on PC anymore either because....Titanfall.
 
Way to miss the fucking point, man. It's not about DriveClub. You think I'm worried, because of DriveClub? I wasn't interested in that game. My point is, I'm finding that less and less about the PS4 is actually for me. I happen to feel that PS4 is making a name for itself less by being "PlayStation" and more by being "Not Xbox One." Maybe I should have just said that from the beginning.

Sounds more like you trying to validate the idea that you believe the Xbone is better against the status quo. You like the Xbone better? Good for you. However, trying to say the PS4 is getting notoriety because it's "Not Xbox One" is pretty damn stupid IMO.
 
Way to miss the fucking point, man. It's not about DriveClub. You think I'm worried, because of DriveClub? I wasn't interested in that game. My point is, I'm finding that less and less about the PS4 is actually for me. I happen to feel that PS4 is making a name for itself less by being "PlayStation" and more by being "Not Xbox One." Maybe I should have just said that from the beginning.
Not many people buy lots of games at launch.

Let's say they want Killzone, but nothing else, other than however many free games it has, but they want InFamous in February, and they want The Witness, and MGS:GZs, and pretty soon Destiny is coming, then it'll be The Order, etc.

The 'core' know to buy a console for the upcoming software, not just day one, even if the day one line up doesn't meet their cravings completely.

This sucks for people who only wanted a PS4 to play WatchDogs and DriveClub, and don't care about anything else, but I would be surprised if even a single person meets that description.
 
Way to miss the fucking point, man. It's not about DriveClub. You think I'm worried, because of DriveClub? I wasn't interested in that game. My point is, I'm finding that less and less about the PS4 is actually for me. I happen to feel that PS4 is making a name for itself less by being "PlayStation" and more by being "Not Xbox One." Maybe I should have just said that from the beginning.

What is more playstation than Killzone and a Cerny mascot game?
 
Not a deal breaker at all, but disappointing. What bothers me is that Sony was probably aware of this for a decent amount of time, and held out to the last minute to make the announcement to save face. At least thats how it seems to me.
 
I don't understand the people that say they're gonna wait a few months or til early next year to buy it. I'm not trying to put anyone down or convince you not to but it just doesn't make sense to me. Are you guys expecting a price drop in the next 6 months? What benefit is there to waiting if there's at least 1 game you may be interested in right now? There's not really anything I want to play right now, but I'm picking up the PS4 so I can play some sports games (FIFA/NBA) with family over the holidays. I don't need to, but I'm going to get one sometime in the next year (for the eventual ND/SSM/TLG games) so I might as well get it now.

$400+___ for games and such is still a hefty investment that can be redirected elsewhere for holiday spending. Buying in at launch is also always risky given potential hardware screw ups and it lets you sit back and gather feedback about all aspects of a console like the UI.

If there isn't something truly must have to someone it will typically end up collecting dust until that day that drops.
 
I really anticipated Drive Club. This delay sucks and the overall situation is a mess for Sony. I hope Evolution goes all out on the game and deliver something great, now they have the time. 60 FPS and weather would be nice.

I would have bought Contrast anyway and got Drive Club preordered for cheap so this replacement is great for me but PS+ doesn't look as nice at launch now as it used to be for the mainstream. I can understand why they didn't want to switch another big game in. Drive Club was developed with the PS+ edition in mind, the other games aren't.
 
Worrying more about the PS4 based on what exactly, Driveclub delay? Holy shit, stop the presses!

I'm just as confused. Since its reveal, few people have given any shits about DriveClub. In most threads about launch, it rarely gets mentioned as a game people want.

Now, it's a deal breaker?
 
I'm honestly surprised that Sony didn't push them for the release and told them patch it afterwards.

Then again, a launch game with lots of bugs or glitches might reflect negatively on the PS4
 
What is sad about it? Do you not have certain things that you don't like?

The point is that simply being an 'indie' game doesn't actually have anything to do with what type of game it is.
It's sort of like saying I don't like food, simply because I don't like seafood.
 
This sucks for people who only wanted a PS4 to play WatchDogs and DriveClub, and don't care about anything else, but I would be surprised if even a single person meets that description.
I was in it for DriveClub, Killzone and WarFrame, but I was looking forward to DriveClub the most. So not exactly your criteria but still applies.
 
I am very glad I didn't preorder a PS4 like I almost did. The launch lineup was already disappointing before, but it's downright awful now. Driveclub didn't look great, but the free edition, as barebones and shitty as it probably would have been, had me excited. As did Watch Dogs.

With all of these delays, I can't help but think Sony did some majorly shady shit in the background and lied about game releases to get people "hyped" for PS4 launch.
 
okay so first of all i am bummed that its getting pushed back, but then i took a look at the contrast trailer and it actually looks good, in an interesting way. Ive actually been looking to become more diverse with my library and right off the bat Contrast looks to be something that will help me achieve that.
 
#DRIVECLUB.com must have been in pretty bad shape to delay it at this point. Probably for the best. Haven't heard about Contrast, I'll check that out.

It could simply be two things: They want the framerate to be 60 and they want weather to be in the game at release. PS4 preorders are already beyond supply so any people who cancel are going to be replaced immediately with someone in the queue.
 
It's unfortunate from the console's perspective since that's another game that won't be available at launch.

From my perspective, I wasn't buying the game anyway so it's not a big deal to me personally. Kind of cool that we are getting Contrast, I was going to keep an eye on that game and now I get it for free.
 
Some games do have digital discounts. PS+ seems like a nice offering if you're constantly buying new games. Kinda like a downgraded Steam if anything.



What? Gameplay footages already shows 1080p with mixtures of 30-60fps. Unless you're talking about Ryse's current build?

When did it reach 60?
 
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