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DriveClub PS+ Edition Has Been M.I.A. For 100 Days

Because it presents a lot of things that are fundamentals to the genre, better than most if not all racing games before it. Things like best in class sense of speed, diversity and quality of track design, best in class graphics, best in class weather system, best in class audio reproduction, lightning fast UI and loading times etc. I mean, many of these are things that are paramount to racing games, and it does pretty much all of them better than any other racer out there.

On top of that, I think there's a large number of people who like me, appreciate the fact that it's a pure skill based, no frills, no nonsense racer. No narrative, fanfare, tuning options, racing line aids, rewind etc. It's literally all about genuinely learning the tracks and becoming a better racer, with no tertiary methods of support to make your life easier, besides simply getting better at the game. That in itself, coupled with the fantastic driving physics, and the aggressive and challenging AI, really makes for a racer that is in many ways more rewarding than most, provided you're willing to invest the time of course.

One review said Driveclub resembled a turn "back to the dark old days of racing games", and in some respects that is true, but those were never the dark days, they were some of the best, and that's also why the game is so refreshing.

So it is best in class in pretty much everything, yet it lacks basic features of most games in the genre, but that's what makes it great?

Ok.

It's a great game, but I'm having a hard time swallowing the hyperbole. The game is very pretty, but basic. I happen to think that the sense of speed and responsiveness are a little lacking due to the low framerate for a racer. That doesn't make it unplayable, but it does make the best in class claim a bit dubious.
 
So it is best in class in pretty much everything, yet it lacks basic features of most games in the genre, but that's what makes it great?

Ok.

It's a great game, but I'm having a hard time swallowing the hyperbole. The game is very pretty, but basic. I happen to think that the sense of speed and responsiveness are a little lacking due to the low framerate for a racer. That doesn't make it unplayable, but it does make the best in class claim a bit dubious.

The only thing that lakcs is replay mode and is already coming.

Do you even notice how many things it actually has that makes the game so amazing? I guess not.
 
So it is best in class in pretty much everything, yet it lacks basic features of most games in the genre, but that's what makes it great?

Ok.

It's a great game, but I'm having a hard time swallowing the hyperbole. The game is very pretty, but basic. I happen to think that the sense of speed and responsiveness are a little lacking due to the low framerate for a racer. That doesn't make it unplayable, but it does make the best in class claim a bit dubious.

DC lacking sense of speed????? And BTW, it has some of the most responsive controls I've ever experienced in a racing game...
You make it sound like you've never played it!
 
So it is best in class in pretty much everything, yet it lacks basic features of most games in the genre, but that's what makes it great?

Where did I say it was best in class in everything? I gave you a list of several specific things I thought it did better than most if not all other racers. How you took that to mean it did everything better is beyond me.

And yes, it lacks certain features, but I also explained why with at least some of them, that isn't necessarily a bad thing. It's all subjective at the end of the day. Some people want to be able to tune their cars, or have racing line aids active or whatever, others don't. As I explained, I enjoy the fact that the game pits everyone on the same level playing field, with no concern for tuning tweaks that may give particular advantages.

More to your point, the only feature I think Driveclub is really missing right now is a Replay mode. Aside from that, it's actually quite feature rich, offering certain things (some post patches) that are even fairly new or rare to the genre (multiplayer time trial modes, dynamic face off challenges, volumetric light affected clouds, snow etc).

I happen to think that the sense of speed and responsiveness are a little lacking due to the low framerate for a racer. That doesn't make it unplayable, but it does make the best in class claim a bit dubious.

Like Forza Horizon 2, the physics engine runs in a way that is more responsive with input than the frame rate would have you believe. That's why you never hear people say the game lacks responsiveness, or feels slow. They've gone to great additional lengths to reduce input lag, despite it being a 30fps game. It also helps that it never drops even a single frame.
 
So it is best in class in pretty much everything, yet it lacks basic features of most games in the genre, but that's what makes it great?

Ok.

It's a great game, but I'm having a hard time swallowing the hyperbole. The game is very pretty, but basic. I happen to think that the sense of speed and responsiveness are a little lacking due to the low framerate for a racer. That doesn't make it unplayable, but it does make the best in class claim a bit dubious.

Can't say I agree at all on the lack of sense of speed. Feels pretty damn good to me. Loving the game so far.
 
The only thing that lakcs is replay mode and is already coming.

Do you even notice how many things it actually has that makes the game so amazing? I guess not.

I have the retail version. Like I said, it's a great game. But aside from the visuals I don't exactly find it to be groundbreaking.

And replay mode isn't all it lacks, in my opinion. Which is just my opinion and is entirely subjective. Aside from the visuals, it's a pretty standard racer. Probably the most amazing thing about it is the post-release support.

I'm not really going to argue about this any more in this thread, though. It doesn't seem like the right place.
 
Then, why do most reviewers criticize the AI as being oblivious to your position on the track when racing and them aggressively bumping in to you?

You could argue that they are too aggressive themselves when racing, but i doubt that's the case every time.

There must be some underlying reason as to why most reviewers feel as if the AI is "off" by some margin when it comes to knowing your presence.

I'd like to think that, to some extent, you're right on all points of your argument. But... i still don't feel that's the entire explanation as to why the AI drivers have to be so aggressive. I doubt the reason for all those AI collisions during races are solely due to reviewers not being good drivers.

Nonetheless, i think this just gives me more motivation to buy this game or try the PS+ edition when it launches. I enjoy challenges and if this, to some extent, is the Dark Souls of racing games, i'll probably enjoy it more than most reviewers.

Sorry for the late reply , but hey i was sleeping .

The Ai is not obvious to your position on the track . The thing is that the Ai will fight for his position too. The Ai fight between themselves for position. And that lead to some accidents that are part of a race. It's actually quite evident when you're following a pack of cars fighting between themselves . This is a behavior not unlike the one you'll find online racing humans . I must say that the AI will never attempt the more stupid things i've seen online by normal people really trying to hinder you ( it's ridiculous at times )

Now i'm not saying the Ai is perfect . it is not ( that's the reason it is still being tweaked ). But i can say without a doubt that the Ai is not on rails , actually aware of your position , will actively try to overtake you unless you're in a low difficulty race. They will however bump you because they aren't going to wait for you . The best comparaison i can find of is the AI of GT5 that will properly slow down to avoid you to the point that the entire pack will slow down. That doesn't happen here.
People felt the AI is "off" because there aren't that many titles where the Ai doesn't consider the player as special

Now i think that , driveclub being the game it is took making reviewers off guard and they didn't have either the time or the pride to think on what they were playing. I don't think driveclub is a perfect game, but i do think that many reviewers didn't gave driveclub enough time .( if they even reached half the game ) ..
 
Seems to me people are holding out to prove a point, if that's the case that's fine. Let me tell you you're missing a great game especially at this point. Honestly the content in the ps+ version is very limited. If you have interest in DC buy it you won't regret it IMO. With the low prices available it's a steal.

I'm sick of this arguement that one should cave on their principles simply because they are missing out (and btw, I'm not just targeting this at you but at everyone who keeps saying, "Just buy the game, it's good." or "You're missing out by holding on to your principles". Hell, this is to anyone who has said this regarding any boycott of some game).

1. The point is we have principles and the point is we'd rather hold ourselves to our principles rather than cave.

2. It's not even like there aren't other games we can be playing. Drive Club isn't the only game out there (conversely, EA and Ubisoft aren't the only game makers). Sure, I'm missing some good games. But I can find others to play. It's not like they are the only good games out there.

3. It's not bad to sacrifice something to hold on to your principles. It's admirable. Not, Oh you fool you are missing out. I really hate this attitude to act like the person is being foolish for actually holding themselves to their principle. YEs, we know we are missing the game. But we have a reason to do so.

To dismiss it solely cause you find the game is fun is ridiculous. It would be one thing if you disagreed with the reason we are holding off. It's another to say we are foolish not cause we're wrong, but because we're missing out. No, the foolish people are those who cave when they disagree with something but go ahead and endorse it anyways! You just make sure it will happen again.

No I'm just saying wait, they didn't canceled it, when they do you can complain as much as you want for all I care. I just find it amusing that people complain about a delay for something they haven't even payed for.


Ah, so PS+ is free then? Damn, I wish I knew that. Sony ripped me off for 110 dollars (I got some of it on sale) then. I want my money back!

I honestly think the PS+ version is never coming.

And this is why I'm starting to get annoyed. I'm starting to think this too.
 
This only really applies to the Rookie class cars, and is blatantly untrue for anything mid-tier or above. The harder content late in the game demands fine throttle control to get the 3 star times.

People are right to complain about the delay, but don't expect misinformation not be called out by people who've played enough of the game to have a more informed opinion.

I feel like I'm playing a completely different game than some of you guys. I can floor it out of a corner with a Zonda R in this game without getting any tire spin. Try doing that in Gran Turismo or Forza and you'll be facing the wrong direction coming out of the corner.

Anyway I guess I'm done with this thread, the defense force for this game is way too strong for me.
 
I'm sick of this arguement that one should cave on their principles simply because they are missing out (and btw, I'm not just targeting this at you but at everyone who keeps saying, "Just buy the game, it's good." or "You're missing out by holding on to your principles". Hell, this is to anyone who has said this regarding any boycott of some game).

1. The point is we have principles and the point is we'd rather hold ourselves to our principles rather than cave.

2. It's not even like there aren't other games we can be playing. Drive Club isn't the only game out there (conversely, EA and Ubisoft aren't the only game makers). Sure, I'm missing some good games. But I can find others to play. It's not like they are the only good games out there.

3. It's not bad to sacrifice something to hold on to your principles. It's admirable. Not, Oh you fool you are missing out. I really hate this attitude to act like the person is being foolish for actually holding themselves to their principle. YEs, we know we are missing the game. But we have a reason to do so.

To dismiss it solely cause you find the game is fun is ridiculous. It would be one thing if you disagreed with the reason we are holding off. It's another to say we are foolish not cause we're wrong, but because we're missing out. No, the foolish people are those who cave when they disagree with something but go ahead and endorse it anyways! You just make sure it will happen again.




Ah, so PS+ is free then? Damn, I wish I knew that. Sony ripped me off for 110 dollars (I got some of it on sale) then. I want my money back!



And this is why I'm starting to get annoyed. I'm starting to think this too.

Considering how fast First Light & Strider hit PS+... I'm starting to think they might just offer the entire game free for PS+ members... but only when the servers can handle it.
 
Considering how fast First Light & Strider hit PS+... I'm starting to think they might just offer the entire game free for PS+ members... but only when the servers can handle it.

Aren't First Light (a stand alone DLC) and Strider (a remake of an old game) both only $15-20 in the first place? DC is a full-price, AAA game. I have serious doubts it'll just be handed to us anytime soon compared to say, Knack or Killzone, both of which are considerably older and available cheaply at most retail outfits.
 
I just got a server disconnect message the other day. It's pretty clear to me they are nowhere near ready to accept another million+ users.

I am still confident they will deliver the PS+ edition but I don't see it happening for a long time.
 
Considering how fast First Light & Strider hit PS+... I'm starting to think they might just offer the entire game free for PS+ members... but only when the servers can handle it.

This would actually more than make up for the delay imho. I don't know if that will happen (and while I do think they should offer some sort of concession for the wait I will say this is more than I'd expect so this would make me extremely happy. I just think maybe adding some more tracks or cars we have access too or offering the full upgrade for a lot better discount or something like that).

Really, I do think they should at least say something soon about it. As I said, the reason I'm getting really annoyed is I'm starting to think it's not coming. As well as I really did want to try it out to see if I want to buy it but the longer it takes the less interest I have (and more other games are coming out that I"m more interested in. Drive Club would have been nice last year when I really didn't have much to play on my PS4. But since they promised me a demo, I'm holding them to it). I admit that I wanted to try it before I buy it cause I'm not interested enough to buy it without trying it, but if it was really good I would have been interested (granted they made it harder for me to be interested with no Lamborghinis but if it was good enough I'd be willing to get over that). Plus honestly I would like to have one good racing game and I'd like to support theirs due to the fact they are one of the two racing games left that i know of that don't/won't have MTs (Project Cars being the other). I know they planned on having them at first but I respect that they actually listened and backtracked on that. Believe it or not I actually do want to like this game.
 
I feel like I'm playing a completely different game than some of you guys. I can floor it out of a corner with a Zonda R in this game without getting any tire spin. Try doing that in Gran Turismo or Forza and you'll be facing the wrong direction coming out of the corner.

Anyway I guess I'm done with this thread, the defense force for this game is way too strong for me.
basically any counter point is just the defense force coming at you?? Goodness
 
I feel like I'm playing a completely different game than some of you guys. I can floor it out of a corner with a Zonda R in this game without getting any tire spin. Try doing that in Gran Turismo or Forza and you'll be facing the wrong direction coming out of the corner.

Anyway I guess I'm done with this thread, the defense force for this game is way too strong for me.

Zonda R is kind enough to allow this but I'm sure it's not the fastest way to drive it. Try Ariel Atom otherwise.
 
I honestly think they're just going to give away the full game at some point in the next 6 months.

give away the game for free and get disgruntled people who bought the game. give away the season pass and you get those people pissed at you too.

it could have gone this way if they weren't so eager to sell DLC right off the bat. now they don't have any outs. same thing happened with AC:Unity, you risk pissing people off no matter what you do because you already sold a promise to deliver DLC.
 
DC lacking sense of speed????? And BTW, it has some of the most responsive controls I've ever experienced in a racing game...
You make it sound like you've never played it!

He probably hasn't...post is so off.

DC actually manages to make me physically move in the direction of the curves. That's how good the sense of speed is....even FH2 doesn't make me do this (it's a more relaxed game, which I like as well).
 
He probably hasn't...post is so off.

DC actually manages to make me physically move in the direction of the curves. That's how good the sense of speed is....even FH2 doesn't make me do this (it's a more relaxed game, which I like as well).

Ha, I find myself unconsciously leaning as I go round a corner at speed too.
 
Ah, so PS+ is free then? Damn, I wish I knew that. Sony ripped me off for 110 dollars (I got some of it on sale) then. I want my money back!

The PS+ edition of Driveclub was never a part of the IGC which is what you're paying for with PS+ (that and the multiplayer).
 
Because it presents a lot of things that are fundamentals to the genre, better than most if not all racing games before it. Things like best in class sense of speed, diversity and quality of track design, best in class graphics, best in class weather system, best in class audio reproduction, lightning fast UI and loading times etc. I mean, many of these are things that are paramount to racing games, and it does pretty much all of them better than any other racer out there.

On top of that, I think there's a large number of people who like me, appreciate the fact that it's a pure skill based, no frills, no nonsense racer. No narrative, fanfare, tuning options, racing line aids, rewind etc. It's literally all about genuinely learning the tracks and becoming a better racer, with no tertiary methods of support to make your life easier, besides simply getting better at the game. That in itself, coupled with the fantastic driving physics, and the aggressive and challenging AI, really makes for a racer that is in many ways more rewarding than most, provided you're willing to invest the time of course.

One review said Driveclub resembled a turn "back to the dark old days of racing games", and in some respects that is true, but those were never the dark days, they were some of the best, and that's also why the game is so refreshing.

This reads like a PR statement.
 

What are you suggesting?

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give away the game for free and get disgruntled people who bought the game. give away the season pass and you get those people pissed at you too.

it could have gone this way if they weren't so eager to sell DLC right off the bat. now they don't have any outs. same thing happened with AC:Unity, you risk pissing people off no matter what you do because you already sold a promise to deliver DLC.

Why would people be any more disgruntled than they were when Sony has put any other game up on IGC that people previously paid full price for? I wasn't disgruntled when Bioshock Infinite was offered as a freebie, despite having paid full price for it (for example). Sony messed up bad with this one and pretty much has to offer up the full game and then maybe add another $20 expansion or something, which they could offer for free to people who bought the full game and only as paid DLC for people who got it as part of PS+.
 
The PS+ edition of Driveclub was never a part of the IGC which is what you're paying for with PS+ (that and the multiplayer).

The fact that they promised it for PS+ members says it is.... After all, that's one of the things they said you would get as a PS+ member. Therefore, it very much is part of what you are paying for for PS+.

And I paid for PS+ before you needed it for MP. I'd never pay for it for the MP part (I mostly play SP games, MP is not that important to me). I paid for it for the game "rental" system (more like Netflix for games honestly). So yes, very much I paid for it to get access to the "freebies" they promised us.

Just cause you pay for it for MP doesn't mean that's everyone's reason to have PS+. That's why they offer other things with PS+ other than MP. So that they can entice more people to buy it who might not buy it just for MP. if they thought they could get everyone to buy it just for MP, they wouldn't offer that other stuff (why give out freebies when you don't need to to get people's money? That's money they are wasting that is getting no return and no, they aren't here to be your friend and do nice things for you. They're here to make money). Those games aren't extras they are throwing in, they are enticements to people who may not care about MP.

Gah... look, I understand you want Sony to do well and you like Driveclub. Trust me, I'm biased PS myself and want to see it do well. But that's no excuse for defending them when they shouldn't be defended! In fact, the only thing you do is help them get shittier by accepting them doing shitty things. Kinda like the xbox fans who defended live making you pay to be able to use your xbox for netflix and internet exploring. MS only got better when people got upset with them and started calling them on their BS.
 
What are you suggesting?

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The deal was that you get the same amount of games as usual plus Driveclub PS+ edition.

The fact that they promised it for PS+ members says it is.... After all, that's one of the things they said you would get as a PS+ member. Therefore, it very much is part of what you are paying for for PS+.

And I paid for PS+ before you needed it for MP. I'd never pay for it for the MP part (I mostly play SP games, MP is not that important to me). I paid for it for the game "rental" system (more like Netflix for games honestly). So yes, very much I paid for it to get access to the "freebies" they promised us.

Just cause you pay for it for MP doesn't mean that's everyone's reason to have PS+. That's why they offer other things with PS+ other than MP. So that they can entice more people to buy it who might not buy it just for MP. if they thought they could get everyone to buy it just for MP, they wouldn't offer that other stuff (why give out freebies when you don't need to to get people's money? That's money they are wasting that is getting no return and no, they aren't here to be your friend and do nice things for you. They're here to make money). Those games aren't extras they are throwing in, they are enticements to people who may not care about MP.

Gah... look, I understand you want Sony to do well and you like Driveclub. Trust me, I'm biased PS myself and want to see it do well. But that's no excuse for defending them when they shouldn't be defended! In fact, the only thing you do is help them get shittier by accepting them doing shitty things. Kinda like the xbox fans who defended live making you pay to be able to use your xbox for netflix and internet exploring. MS only got better when people got upset with them and started calling them on their BS.

Don't twist my word I just pointed out what everyone is getting when they get a PS+ subscription. I'm currently not even a Ps+ member and haven't even played Driveclub, I would've if th PS+ edition were released back in october.

The thing still isn't cancelled, when it is you'll have every right to complaint and I will be right there with you but for the time being they said they are working on it so let's wait that's all I'm saying.
 
I personally don't think it will come anytime soon. The game is finally stable enough, and gaining some support. I think PS+ version and all that added demand on the servers would blow it up again.

Sony is just in a shitty place with this no matter how you look at it.

One thing is for certain, when you tell someone they will get something for free, and then you take it away, it sure brings outs some angry people lol.

I have never seen so much anger and ill will towards something like this before. So much demand and expectation like some horrendous crime happened.

So they can't give the game for free right now, it sucks, sorry, but come one people. Move on.

Just PM me all your hate messages and spare the thread ;P
 
Really, I do think they should at least say something soon about it. As I said, the reason I'm getting really annoyed is I'm starting to think it's not coming. As well as I really did want to try it out to see if I want to buy it but the longer it takes the less interest I have (and more other games are coming out that I"m more interested in. Drive Club would have been nice last year when I really didn't have much to play on my PS4. But since they promised me a demo, I'm holding them to it). I admit that I wanted to try it before I buy it cause I'm not interested enough to buy it without trying it, but if it was really good I would have been interested (granted they made it harder for me to be interested with no Lamborghinis but if it was good enough I'd be willing to get over that).

If you really really wanted to just try the game, you know you could just ask if someone would let you Shareplay play it. Dunno but I am sure you would find someone in the Driveclub thread helping you out with that (or maybe I am overestimating Gaf xD).
 
If you really really wanted to just try the game, you know you could just ask if someone would let you Shareplay play it. Dunno but I am sure you would find someone in the Driveclub thread helping you out with that (or maybe I am overestimating Gaf xD).

Or companies could keep their promises. Oh who am I kidding...
 
No, the game definitely has flaws. I still can't figure out how or why it has driven GAF into an absolute fervour. I assume it's serving a niche that haven't been targeted by a racing game for quite some time.

It's the epitome of a 7/10 game for me.

Couldn't agree more. The reviews prior to it being found out how broken the game was were dead on perfect. Mid 70s is what this game deserves imo. The driving is good, the graphics are great, but the game is dull and is missing many basics (still no replays). The 'club' aspect of this game is still so terrible. 6 members? Limited communication between club-mates? Come on. It just feels so lazy.
 
Dat spin.

How's it a spin? If Driveclub PS+ would've taken the place of a current PS+ game I could totally understand people being pissed off but here it was something on top of what we're supposed to get and it would even be available for more then a month (at least that's what they wanted to do at the begining) it's still coming as far as we know.
 
I have never seen so much anger and ill will towards something like this before. So much demand and expectation like some horrendous crime happened.

What are a hand-full of the hateful posts you've seen? Generally at worst, I've seen annoyance with the situation.
 
If the PS+ Edition ever comes out, I can't imagine they'll release it to every region in one go. Probably staggered. The game is in a good place now. It's incredibly stable and, as a paying customer, I don't want to relive the horror that was launch. I'm sorry if you feel hard done by but, well, too bad.

They need to be careful because they are going to get a massive influx of new players who may only stick around for a couple of weeks before moving on, but may result in breaking the game for people there from day one in that time.
 
Anybody who says they signed up for PS+ specifically for Driveclub, only has themselves to blame

So it's their fault that the PS+ demo for Driveclub hasn't been released?

The mental gymnastics some of you perform to blame this on the consumer are astounding.

How's it a spin? If Driveclub PS+ would've taken the place of a current PS+ game I could totally understand people being pissed off but here it was something on top of what we're supposed to get and it would even be available for more then a month (at least that's what they wanted to do at the begining) it's still coming as far as we know.

You're trying to spin that the PS+ edition TECHNICALLY isn't part of the PS+ game collection because it's being offered "in addition" to the list (which isn't true, because Sony had to offer Contrast for free at launch because it was going to be one of the two PS+ games at launch).

It's spin. Just let it go.
 
I honestly think they're just going to give away the full game at some point in the next 6 months.

I honestly think the PS+ version is never coming.

I honestly think Sony will do exactly what they said they will do: make it the ps+ version available when they are absolutely sure adding several million new users won't break the experience for everyone, including those who have bought it.

How come every time there is any sort of delay with stuff, people assume those 'responsible' are lying thieves? How about, just calmly realizing sometimes delays happen, and that in cases like this, you can't rush it.

That's not being 'an apologist'. That's not asking anything above and beyond. It's just a good way to go about life in general.

Sony has no interest in not making this available to us. They wish we had it Day 1. They wish Driveclub had no delays, had no server issues, and no backlash.
 
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